Cough, Shallah

Last Friday our alternative vet/doctor came to treat my mother. She has been having this cough. The moment we sat down by her bed, I said "chemtrails", and as he muscle checked he was surprised and found that first her electrolytes in her brain was "off". Then he found some bacteria of sorts, but said "the cold" is done and over with, and that there must be more. He then said, "Very clever", it is designed to mimick, they are using e.coli, which we all have in our bodies to trigger the reaction. The brain does not recognize it as e.coli but believes it is some kind of a cold or flu.
He treated us all including himself (he was coughing, too and for days, he said, he was checking on all sorts of possibilities)

I intended to check on this, but only got to it now and look what I found:

Horowitz: There has been for quite some time, but the authorities are suppressing the news about it. It's only been recently that the mainstream media has acknowledged that hospital emergency rooms are filled with patients with this bizarre upper respiratory infection that doesn't quite seem to be a virus, a flu that the flu vaccines were ineffective against, that was a surprise and a complete mystery to the Centers for Disease Control authorities.

That's all hogwash, bogus nonsense. The fact of the matter is, we have seen this type of an epidemic since the end of 1998 and the beginning of 1999. People have been hacking and coughing with this bizarre illness that does not seem to follow any logical viral or bacterial onset and transition period. It was
something that did not cause a high fever.

If it was a bacterial or viral infection, it would have caused a fever in these people. It didn't. It was something that lasted weeks, if not months. They had sinus congestion, sinus drainage, they had a cough, they had fatigue, general malaise, they felt they were not quite right.

Redden: Then is it fair to call this the flu, or is it something else?

Horowitz: I think it's only fair to call it flu-like. It is pathognomonic of, not a bacterial or viral infection, it is pathognomonic of a fungus or a fungus related to a flu. And that's exactly what has been developed and patented by the Armed Forces Research Institute of Pathology.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/naziflu28dec04.shtml

It just could really be a possibility...

Thanks for this, Rumpel. I've read about chemtrails (and seen them over my old house) and population control through diseases for quite some time, and yet every time I read something new, it chills me all over again. And infuriates me!

How did your doctor treat you? (Gods bless the alternative medical community!)

I failed to also mention, that I had noticed the trails a few days before the whole thing started for everyone here and that is why I wanted him to check it.

He utilizes NAET and a small laser beam. After he treated my mother we went to the kitchen and created a circle by touching each other's arm and in one swoop treated us all with the same modality.
My daughter's fiancee said, that come to think of it, he sees the trails always over his college, and when he started it it was so strange, because he felt a sting in the throat. Nothing like a usual cold or flu.

We still cough, but far less frequently.

It is really strange - this chemtrail thing, but I have been mainly observing the gooey black green stuff on our patio umbrellas and table, which always comes back - who knows what that stuff is...

Time permitting I am going to explore more articles on that website...

I have heard of NAET but didn't really know what it was like--just visited the Web site. Really interesting stuff!

Ew--goo?! Seriously?! Dang, it was never that bad where we were. And they gave up pretty quickly--they weren't around for long. I have read about the stinging in the throat and burning sensation on the skin. Nasty stuff.

However, this is what cured me:

http://www.naturessunshine.com/us/products/catalog/product/default.aspx?stocknum=1297

Seriously.

It contains licorice root -- Glycyrrhiza glabra root extract -- so don't take it if you have high blood pressure.

... thanks for sharing that story. I recently found that website as well and could spend hours and hours there (and get progressively more freaked out!).

There's a woman at my office who has pretty much the same kind of respiratory thing - I've only worked there less than two months and she's been sick with it for almost the whole time. Yikes. (Thanks the Universe for a strong, strong immune system.)

Are you guys feeling better now?

I had the "flu" three weeks ago (I did have a fever, but it was not high) and after that passed, I went to the Dr for the lingering cough. I had a course of antibiotics, which did help me feel better overall, but the cough remains. I returned to the Dr yesterday, and she said the cough was due to irritation, so we are now treating that. She described it as a self-perpetuating thing, where you cough, it irritates the brochia, the irritated bronchia make you cough, etc. I went through the same thing last September, and it took two months for the cough to go away. I didn't used to have colds or flu end up like this in the past. They would run their course in a few day and that was that. I hope it's not a sign of how things will go from now on.

I have a coworker who's had a cough for months.

It it all caused by chemtrails? Who knows. God only knows whats in the air anymore. I live in a major metropolitan area and even though there isn't a lot of manufacturing here, there is smog, primarily caused by car exhaust I suppose.

Congratulations, you triggered a brain dump. I have time to type this morning too, so I hope that what I have to say helps you.

If the problem is indeed that your Mom's being weakened by junk in the air, maybe you should also consider/eliminate other possible irritants just so that she's not further weakened.

Do you live near a farm of some sort? You might have e coli in the air that isn't from chemtrails.

Weird weather
When I first got out of boot camp I had a cough that persisted for months. I was in a new environment, damp fog, and I was used to tropical or subtropical weather. Nothing helped it. Docs were puzzled because nothing helped it and I had no actual infection. It lasted until I flew home for Christmas that year. I rested, forgot about it, and when I came back other people noticed I had stopped coughing. My poor mom, during my time in the military she had to watch me heal almost every time I came home. That can't be good on a Mom's nerves.

Food Sensitivity
I also suffer sinus congestion/drainage/respiratory distress when I eat too much wheat. Most humans are sensitive to wheat gluten. <<< yep, the same stuff that was poisoned with Melamine last spring. It's bad for you to begin with. But it's in almost everything that comes out of a box!!! Including pastries, bread, pasta, heat-and-serve meals, vegetarian prepared foods etc.

Ozone and exhaust
I used to have asthmatic reactions when I was in downtown SF because car exhaust was stuck in between all those buildings. If you live near a highway (around here everyone does) and there's no wind to carry that stuff away, car exhaust could cause irritation.

In some places covered with contrails and chemtrails, the major pollutant is ozone. That causes respiratory distress. Curiously enough your laser printers and xerox copiers also generate enough ozone to bother people who are sensitive to it. And if you can't open a window for "fresh air" then you're stuck breathing all that.

Mold
I have black mold. The only way to remediate black mold, if you have it, is to open windows for circulation, vacuum w/ hepa filters, keep your home warm and dry, and to bleach the crap out of your bathrooms. Make sure that any ventilation filters you have are clean. I keep windows open all year round in my kitchen and bathroom for air. You're supposed to move out of a home w/ black mold, I'd like to find one round here that doesn't have it.

Offgassing
It's hard to find wooden furniture these days - it's mostly glue. New furniture and new carpet off-gasses toxic chemicals that bother your respiratory system. Teflon, when overheated, off-gasses toxic fumes.

Smelly stuff in general
I know this stuff because I own a parrot and had to be educated as to what would kill it. Almost any pollutant will, I even had to get rid of candles and deodorant. Potpourri was pot-pour-out.

I hope your doc and your mother get better quick.

I did not know that! I suppose incense is out? Gee. I was kind of thinking of getting a bird some day. But, I don't think I can give up my candles and incense. So that's settled I guess. :(

That must be why they have the canary to send into the mine.

I can never fire one up, I keep it in a separate room and wait till he's on the porch, and put it out by covering it instead of blowing it out.

Their little respiratory systems are 1000 times more efficient than ours. I read a story about a lady who lost her bird because it was at one end of a 5000 ft sq house and she cleaned her oven with noxious spray at the other end.

And you know, parrots live wild in L.A. Most parrot books are written in breathless hyperbole. Still, we have a cleaner house without all the smelly stuff.

I sincerely hope members of this Group will continue to observe and question the Chemtrail spraying operation that is so obviously taking place right out in the open, while our "leaders" and their cadre of Enablers/Deniers insist that we are not seeing what we are seeing. My thanks to rumpel for this post!

I have closely watched the skies of Arkansas since these trails first began appearing here in 1999. I have read widely about them and I am sufficiently old enough to remember when contrails (which these are not) actually dissipated, as opposed to expanding and lingering for half a day.

It is inescapable to me that artificial cloud cover is being deliberately generated by jet aircraft over the United States and a large portion of the rest of the world.

Background: I do not wish to bring any negative energy into this group, but there is a good deal of anger that I still hold--and have yet been unable to Ground Out--about the attitude of certain posters on DU, and indeed, the attitude of the DU power structure about this subject. To see it being discussed here without the piling-on, derailing, belittling and mocking (in direct violation of The Rules) has moved me to donate again--something I have refused to do since 2004 due, in large measure, to this website's refusal to take this subject seriously. I expect this to be my last reference to the aforementioned attitude; what I want to do is raise awareness of the situation and share my observations with any and all members who wish to actually discuss it. Perhaps I will even be helped in this Group to get over my anger; that would certainly be a good thing!

Again, my thanks to rumpel for posting on this subject.

Very Truly Yours,
dbt

"at long last" Chemtrails are being discussed here. A couple of years ago there was a very lively round of discussions about them.

And it was the thread in your link that made me begin to think about getting in here to encourage the discussion. Having been at DU since early 2001, my view is a bit long (in the tooth), hence my use of the phrase "at long last."

To me, it was well worth the price of a small donation and the swallowing of a bite or two of principles to be able to discuss a subject--and the key word is discuss--that has been so bafflingly verboten on this site as a whole.

I know people who are very adversely affected with the symptoms described in the OP. And not a one of them had it before 1999.

To everyone who looks up and wonders, I say keep asking!

You're welcome and welcome.

I suddenly get those hunches about things and this happened to be one of them. Cricket posts various possible causes, which leads me to yet another question which is the sticky black material.

We have been in this house for 14 years, and I have been on the same street for the past 20 years. I am within a mile from the coast, which supposedly has the best air quality in Los Angeles. Several years back, I believe it was a councilman, he had retired and lives in a condominium in an area called Marina Del Rey. One day he came on television, saying that he had requested an inquiry into some very gooey black film that covers his patio, windows and even the mirrors in his bathroom. They filmed it, as he tries to wipe it, it smears and is very difficult to clean. I have never heard about this subject again.
What I see on our patio is not that bad, but it is still there. This is not something that I had noticed until several years ago, and I am trying to remember when I started seeing this.

Furthermore, the black mold or mold problem in general appears to be increasing. I don't think I have heard much about mold problems 20 years ago. I also have mold in certain areas during a supposed drought, when we are even restricted in our water usage. The yard has an area of soil, which in fact looks kind of toxic green and is devoid of grass. Something is not right. We do not use chemicals, most of what we do use is natural or at least non-toxic. Last year the majority of our lawn died rather suddenly.

While the environmental toll of human activities may finally be manifesting everywhere, I believe for example air quality has greatly improved since the 80's here.

Yet, allergies are a problem for so many, for example. I did not have any allergies all my life until the mid-nineties and I thought then, perhaps over many years you are exposed to all sorts of toxins until your body says "that's it".

I am a skeptic, when it comes to the plan to de-popularize, but in the same breath, I question big pharma and the military/industrial complex and their connection to certain elements in governments with illusions of grandeur.
So, I would not be surprised when science is used to benefit a few. I think it has more to do with money, power and control.

Chemtrails seem to be various materials for various experiments :(

I think very soon all that which is to not benefit All but instead harms will be exposed.

There's a bunch of stuff going on in this country that our authority figures refuse to explain, IMO. I could live with that, but this attitude of "oh, you're not really seeing that" tends to get my back hair up--way more than it should, I spose.

Your story of the councilman who requested an investigation into the black goo resonates with me. I believe it was last August when a fellow in Shreveport got to wondering about the 'trails and collected some rainwater for chemical analysis. Sure enough, it came back showing alarmingly high levels of aluminum and barium, just like Clifford Carnicom has been saying for years. The matter showed up on a local TV station briefly and if it was followed up, I haven't heard about it. More business as usual, it would seem. In a related item, I have seen many reports from Chemtrail watchers about a "gel-like substance" found on outdoor surfaces during and after heavy spray periods. I have not seen this stuff, but I put nothing past my "government" these days.

Let me stipulate here that one can get WAY out there in the Ozone when talking of Chemtrails; Jesus and Reptiles and UFOs and population control via disease are quite common in the discussion. My own observation is that artificial cloud cover is being deliberately generated by jet aircraft. That's enough right there to make me go looking for answers.

I hadn't given much thought to the increase of the black mold in this 21st Century, but it does bear looking into, now that you mention it!

I sincerely hope you are correct about these things being exposed. Part of me thinks they will be, and I'm trying to whittle my raging cynicism down to a manageable size.

Peace.

about discussing things that others feel are not acceptable subjects in the rest of DU. (At least, a certain segment of DUers feels the need to squash discussion about such subjects.) I think that, in the end, we'll be proven right about this particular issue. :(

I hope that we see more of you around!

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It occurs to me that I just barged in here, without so much as a by-your-leave and got up on my soapbox. I will endeavor to be more mannerly in the future!

This Group looks to me like one of the last places on this site where civility and respect are still in style--and I've always felt more at home with people who live outside the lines.

I hope to learn here and will do my best to behave!

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