Astrology, Dean and the Unity Ticket

By almost all accounts, Hillary is slated to win Pennsylvania on April 22nd. From what I've been reading, the question is more by what margin. And the astrology during and after the race support this strong belief. (Tr Mars trine her Ascendant/Mercury, Tr Uranus continuing his long trine as well to her Ascendant/Mercury, Tr Sun trine her Midheaven, Tr Jupiter sextile her Ascendant/Mercury and quincunx her Saturn, Tr Venus trine her Saturn and Tr Saturn continuing his station sextile her Sun) Calling a win for her in Pennsylvania isn't necessarily prescient or impressive.

But North Carolina on May 6th? That could be interesting to watch. All the astrological indicators suggest that although Barack may win the State, he may not win it by the margins expected of him leaving Howard Dean in the unenviable position of having to bring these two Presidential Titans to some out-of-sight bargaining table. Allow me to explain.

When getting a sense of when an event may happen, I often find myself watching the path of the Tr Sun and Tr Mars. Both carry a great deal of energy and move fairly fast, so to see if either one is making trines, squares, conjunctions, oppositions, whatever, can be very illuminating.

As North Carolina votes, Hillary enjoys a fairly nice transit of Tr Sun opposite her Venus. Very relationship-oriented that day. She also has Tr Mars applying to a trine with her Jupiter (exact on May 10th and 11th) and an electrifying square with her Sun (May 13th and 14th). Not necessarily the transits of someone who's been dealt a devastating loss. So, let's look at Barack.

He has a continued Tr Jupiter trine Mars (3 minutes from exact on May 6th) which is why I think he'll eventually come out the winner. It's what happens with Mars and the Sun AFTER the race -- as well as Uranus and Jupiter -- that make me pause and go "hmmmmm".

Tr Mars is conjunct his Mercury on May 11th and 12th following, oddly enough, on the heels of Mars trine Hillary's Jupiter. In fact, as Mars meets Hillary's Jupiter by trine, he's meeting Barack's Jupiter by opposition! What's that mean? Mars opposite Jupiter can be a very lucky transit with a successful culmination of one's efforts. Or it can be a transit where one acts overbearing and domineering towards those who are reaching out their hands to help. Looking at the transits immediately following -- as well as that continuing Saturn square his Moon -- can give some clue as to how it may manifest.

Which leads me back to that Mars-Mercury immediately AFTER Mars-Jupiter. Mars meeting Mercury (aggressive energy meeting one's communication and thought) is VERY combustible and could be seen, if not held in check, as INCREDIBLY angry. With the continued square from Tr Saturn to his Moon, he may already be feeling like he's sloshing through thickening concrete just trying to recapture the energy he enjoyed in January and February. Perhaps the stress of it just not working like it did before may reveal itself in this transit as well as the upcoming Uranus opposite Mars (more on that later).

Before that Mars-Mercury meeting, though, he experiences Tr Sun opposite his Ascendant the day after the Primary. In fact, in the days and weeks following that May 6th Primary, Tr Sun makes some interesting squares to Barack's MC, Uranus and Pluto indicating, perhaps, a (not too pleasant) need to establish one's position, negotiate and discuss one's options. The square energy is always someone or something stepping in and challenging you, hand grabbing your shoulder and saying "ah, hold on there, guy. Just a second. Not quite yet". Additionally, Sun opposite Ascendant (the day after the Primary) indicates a great likelihood of ego conflicts with others because the pressure of circumstances will MAKE him communicate because he just cannot escape the confrontation.

I'm reminded that as Tr Saturn is square his Moon, it's also been sextile his Venus (and inconjunct his Mercury), so Saturn has been giving Barack the opportunity to reach out and work on those relationships he'll need. And, with the feminine energy of Venus involved, it's safe to say a women is in the mix. Is he communicating his needs and desires in an authoritative way? With that Saturn inconjunct Mercury involved, I sincerely doubt it.

Which brings me to why I believe Dean will be stepping in behind-the-scenes to broker a deal.

Tr Uranus, which has been trine Hillary's Ascendant/Mercury (he was trine Barack's Ascendant during his Primary wins throughout February), will soon be stationing conjunct Hillary's Moon and opposite Barack's Mars. Yeah, her feminine Pisces Moon is in direct opposition to his masculine 11th House Mars.

Now, I've talked with several astrologers about the effects of Uranus conjunct one's Moon and they all seem to agree that the chief manifestation will be one of excitement. And, as Hillary's Moon is tucked into her Fourth House and generally out of the public eye (unlike Barack's high-in-the-sky, very public 11th House Mars), we may not even see how this Uranus transit affects her, especially as it's a conjunction and, therefore, not necessarily an outside force doing something TO her Moon causing it to react or reorganize but, rather, bleeding into and, in some respect, overtaking it. Not that Uranus won't throw an unexpected wrench into her emotional life. But, being out of the public eye and not the energy of a square or opposition, we may never see it.

But Barack? With that Uranus stationing for 14 long weeks opposite his Mars, we may clearly see the effects of it. Especially as Mars and Uranus are both incredibly energetic, aggressive energies. And, as it's an opposition and therefore an outside force he can neither predict (Uranus) nor control, one that's challenging him and the action he wishes to take (opposite his Mars) up in a Public House (the 11th just peeking into the 10th, his House of Career), we'll DEFINITELY have a drama to watch.

This Mars-Uranus energy can easily cause one to strike out at those who one believes has hindered one's progress or has been a thorn in one's side.

But, as this station of Uranus is, again, 14 long weeks, leading up to early August, I can't imagine Barack being THAT angry for THAT long! And the Tr Jupiter trine his Mars? That hangs around for the first few days of this Uranus transit and then retrogrades back to sextile Hillary's Ascendant/Mercury. That's why I suspect this is the time Dean will be stepping in to break the impasse and get these two Titans to agree to a Unity Ticket.

With Uranus in play -- exciting Hillary's Moon and angering Barack's Mars -- as well as each Candidate's respective Mars Returns (Hillary's in early June, Barack's in early August) and Saturn turning direct to sextile her Sun again before meeting Hillary's MC (where it was when she won on March 4th) in late-June/early-July and conjunct Barack's Pluto (often a transit of restricting -- Saturn -- one's power and resources -- Pluto), I suspect we'll have a very interesting Summer ahead of us.

Quickly, for those interested and who have asked me via PM about contacts for each Candidate to the US Chart: Hillary's Moon is opposite the US Neptune, trine the US Mercury, square the US Mars and inconjunct the US Moon. Barack's Mars is conjunct the US Neptune, sextile the US Mercury, square the US Mars and quincunx the US Moon.

When it comes to the contacts with Dean's chart, Barack's Mars squares Dean's Mars (Dean's actions interrupting Barack's ability to act), Dean's Saturn is conjunct Barack's Pluto and opposite his Chiron (Dean's authority restricting Barack's ability to manifest personal change as well as cutting a deep, sensitive wound), Dean's Sun is sextile Barack's Sun (they can work together!) and their Jupiters are inconjunct (but they're not on the same page with what they believe).

With Hillary, her South Node is conjunct Dean's Sun (massive Past Life connection), his Sun is conjunct her South Node (again, Past Life stuff which is inescapable), their Jupiters are inconjunct (see Dean and Barack), his Saturn is conjunct her MC (his authority in charge of her career), his Pluto is conjunct her Pluto/Mars (they can merge their personal power and bring about great change aggressively; they're on the same page when it comes to manifesting powerful personal change) and his Sun is trine her Moon (and they do have a strong sense of easy friendship). So, Hillary and Barack -- with their Jupiters' in a sextile -- CAN effectively work together and may find they're on the same page more often than not.

As Hillary's Secondary Progressed Sun is conjunct Barack's Secondary Progressed Midheaven (both at 3 Capricorn) and both will be trine Hillary's Midheaven as well as forming a Grand Trine with Dean's North Node and his Saturn around Election Day, I can't imagine a Unity Ticket NOT happening by the time we move into late-May/early-June!

The kicker for me are the contacts between Dean's and Hillary's South Nodes and Suns. Very interesting.

Bookmarking to read later tonight.
Good to see you!

It validates my visions.
I can relax now; lol.

which is affecting Hillary's Moon and Barack's Mars will also be affecting the US Neptune. Perhaps one of those things which throws the wrench into what we currently know as "the Race" will be surprising, unexpected news (Uranus) which brings an about-face in terms of the fantasies and dreams of the Voters (US Neptune)?

Just thought I'd mention it. :hi:

correct me if I'm wrong, please; this last suggests a dramatic change in something, from somewhere. When? like another bush war, getting us all so angry that we're FORCED to unify (and demand they run together, or appear to do so?)

I would say Uranus will suddenly shine a light on the Nation's tendency to believe in things without a basis in fact eg. spin.

I wouldn't rule out something "war-like" because it's still 1 degree and change from square the US Mars. So there MAY be something that happens quite suddenly at that time which puts the Nation on-alert and makes us all take a step back and determine (ignoring promises of what WILL be done if elected and focus instead on what HAS been done in one's career so far) who would be best to Lead.

In short, Uranus will cast a sudden spotlight on -- and challenge -- the fantasy we have of who these Candidates are and give us Voters the opportunity to focus on what's real and less Neptunian.

pup.

I'm looking forward to an end to the in fighting. We need to focus on far greater things ASAP.

because nothing is going to happen ASAP when a very, VERY proud Leo and a fiercely determined, powerful Scorpio have locked horns.

One of my younger (male) astrology friends has been suggesting an all-out Cage Match for these two since March 4th. And, being an enterprising Aries with planets in Capricorn, he wants to negotiate the Pay-Per-View contract, sell the tickets to it and peddle the popcorn (extra salt, he says, so he can then sell 'em soda).

:evilgrin:

Seriously, though, the fact that his SP Midheaven shares the same degree (3 Capricorn) as hef SP Sun and both will be trine her (not his, mind you, but her) Midheaven around Election Day is beyond interesting to me. In fact, it's the alarm bell that jolts you out of bed in the morning and makes you face reality. They are Fated, I believe, to work together! Although she'd be Top of the Ticket (my opinion based on her SP activity), he'd still be the Star of the Show which, with her wonky personality, would probably be fine with her as long as she got to roll up her sleeves and get to work.

Ah, but that Leo pride is a HUGE barrier to overcome. :eyes:

I pm-ed you a few days ago...did you get it?

thank you. :-)

light years ahead of mine, so after reading your post, I feel confused. (Not a comment against you, I hope you know. Just saying that I'm not knowledgeable enough about astrology to really "get" what you're saying.)

So, for the uninitiated among us, can you sum this up in a sentence or two? Might help me understand a little better. :)

I felt confused after writing it! :rofl:

The Uranus station opposite Barack's Mars indicates monumental anger -- like a wildfire through dry grass, a friend of mine said -- BECAUSE of something or someone challenging him. Uranus conjunct Hillary's Moon suggests excitement, but more on an emotional, don't-quite-see-it level as it's her Moon and in her Fourth House. In addition, she's not being challenged by this transit as it's a conjunction and not an opposition.

If one looks at the contacts between Dean's chart and the Candidates' charts, one can get a sense of how happy (or unhappy) they'll be working with his authority. And, with unpredictable Uranus in the mix -- angering Barack and exciting Hillary --, the events will happen lightning-fast and without warning.

That's why I believe Dean will hammer out a Unity Ticket which will anger Barack, excite Hillary and be very Uranian in fashion: historic, different and out-of-the-blue.

More than a sentence or two, but I hope it brings a bit of clarity.

Thanks!

(And I don't feel so bad about being confused if even YOU were! :rofl: )

There has been growing concern about a brokered convention and his name has routinely been suggested as someone who could be presented as a unity candidate. Would be interested to know what's happening with him between now and August.

Thanks!

but I do remember my friends who are astrologers saying at the beginning of this process -- before he revealed he wasn't running -- that he had the best astrology by far of anyone on the list and could win this thing hands-down.

I'll take a look later, though, and also take a peek at how his chart works with Hillary's and Barack's.

Thanks for taking the time to give it a look.

media enhanced frontrunners do not unify, or worst, WILL not unify for the good of the party and the country, might Dean pull out a secret (Gore) weapon to bolster the nominee? I'm thinking Gore(could be Edwards), since it's always been mysterious as to Edwards' sudden and unexpected departure from the race. Imagine the nominee taking a second place to Gore, and having an Edwards AG? (Ok, my dream...but one can hope.) It certainly would go far to mend an extremely divided party that might result from this neverending primary.

Whether you are for HRC or BO, will it be enough for the dems to secure victory? Wouldn't Gore on that ticket ensure a victory? The party could be fractured forever if something dramatic is not pulled together, IMO.
Will we be strong enough to defeat even a feeble McCain if our party is divided? I don't think so, and I'm feeling everyone is afraid of that possibility. Another Bush term is unthinkable.

(On Edit, I believe it's no mistake that the media trumpeted the frontrunners & are now also making a mountain out of each little bump in the road. As long as the dem candidates argue amongst themselves with no attention paid to the lowliest of issues, the Mc-criminals are busy and McCain gets much needed rest.)

in a surprisingly snarky way -- if I was so sure Hillary would win, why is she stumbling so badly now? Then there was some inference that astrology was stupid or something. Anyway ...

Instead of Replying personally, I thought there would be those who would find this info of interest so I'm Replying in the form of a Response to the Original Thread.

The recent trouble we've seen with Hillary -- the Bosnia misremembering and the calls for her to drop out -- can be tracked back to Tr Neptune square her North Node and South Node (aka her Nodes). As it's a transit that's just started, it's quite common for it to announce itself with a Bang! and continue to cause trouble as it waxes toward it's exact aspect and then, once exact -- and much like a tea kettle coming to boil and whistle and then, once the burner's off, leaving the water to just simmer --, the ramifications of the transit are less noticeable.

In other words, Tr Neptune will be exactly square her Nodes on April 5th and after that we should see the campaign right itself and continue on track to Pennsylvania.

Furthermore, on April 8th or 9th, Jupiter begins a three week sextile to her Ascendant/Mercury. With the Saturn station sextile her Sun and Tr Neptune no longer exactly square her Nodes (he does hang around until two days after the Pennsylvania Primary, though) along with Tr Mars first trine her Chiron then trine her Venus before being trine her Ascendant/Mercury (during the Primary on April 22nd), I anticipate the news about her campaign to change dramatically. Less doom-and-gloom, certainly.

As for Barack, with this Jupiter leaving his current sextile to his Ascendant in two days, we may see some of the present bloom come off his campaign rose over the next week.

Reading your astrology posts are ten-fold better than any TV/news media. I know that does not sound like a compliment but indeed, it is and comes from the heart. I love following the signs and interpretations you describe each and every week. You sure do give us all front-row seats!

Again, thank you for sharing your gift with all of us. :grouphug:

:hi:

I ALWAYS enjoy reading your input on what is happening. It all makes sense after I read your posts. Please keep posting updates; I look every day to see if there is something new from you!! :hi:

insulting you via pm about astrology is bad form. However, I do wonder if your support for HRC is coloring your analysis. I just had my county convention yesterday & it was bad all around. The HRC people were in top form. Their attorney made a racist remark at an Obama supporter & in his hearing. Their supporters were rude & arrogant to Obama supporters. The convention was not run according to the rules of the party & when an objection was made, we were shouted down, told to sit down, shut up, or leave. So, in the end, we left. Why were we treated with such hostility? Because we "dared" not to support the local party establishment's anointed one.

Sorry, but I don't why Obama should have to go to the back of the bus so a white lady can sit in the front.

dg

Was this in Texas?

Dailykos has a story about some of the stuff going on................

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5316021

I'm sorry, but I'm coming to believe that anyone who still supports Hillary after this has little or no morals.

dg

That's why it's as much an art as a science. That said, the OP has made some solid analysis over the course of the race and has been very objective.

I'm going to be as polite as possible, though, and say that personal attacks at various people simply aren't kosher in here. This isn't GD-P. Emotions are running high on both sides, but as a group full of sensitives and empaths, we simply don't talk to each other this way in the Astro group. There are supporters of both candidates here, as well as folks who are abstaining until the GE. We tend to be a fair and open-minded group, and we stay away from inflammatory language like that.

I am not trying to bash you, lecture at you or anything, just letting you know that calling people immoral simply because they support a different candidate from you is probably not going to go over well in here.

There is no room on this board for such talk. If you can't play nice, leave.

I've seen you post in here many times. Pink Tiger is so self absorbed that she doesn't realize there are people here who post without her attention. There is a world outside of PT.

No one is supposed to run people away. This is inexcusable. Stay.

You are not the boss of this forum! How dare you tell people to go away!

When it suits you, you throw up good morals! You have just proved DG's opinion.

I don't know who you think you are to come in here and bully those of us who don't repeat your party line. Really. You threaten me over and over. I don't get it. Why don't YOU knock it off. Restrain yourself unless you are in reality LOOKING for a rumble.

You get to decide who's playing nice. I say you're not.

And just in case, I don't care about your last nerve. It is so not my problem.

Texas is just a warm up.

Did you ever hear of "Don't Mess With Texas"? We mean it.

LOL. Try to be nice, OK? I know we are on opposite sides of this issue, but we should not discuss partisan issues in here.

Unless those partisan issue posts are thinly disguised as astrology posts.............

Hey, I can take anyone on outside........I took a great self defense course decades ago and still remember the basics.

I think you are reading partisanship into the posts because you are hoping to force your beliefs on others.

There's been discussion of transits and the like with regard to political figures and candidates in this group since before the group system was even instituted on DU. We used to have threads like this in the old Meeting Room subforum all the time. As a point of fact, one of the reasons why the Astro group was established was so that we could have a safe place to hold these types of discussions with people sharing astrological and intuitive insights about candidates and political situations, without having to fend off skeptic/atheist disruptors 24/7.

It's like I said in my other post, it's true that these are mystical arts and not sciences, and interpretations are bound to be colored by our biases and feelings. That's the case even when politics are not involved, and we are reading/studying about other topics such as relationships, careers, etc. However, one of the things that is wonderful about this phenomenal group of people is that for the most part, this is a free place to share what we receive from Spirit, whether it's through astrology, tarot, runes, clairvoyance, etc. Making "thinly veiled" partisan posts has never been what this group is about, and that is not what the OP is trying to do. Attacking the messenger is not cool, and runs counter to the spirit of the group. People will disagree on things and that is cool, this is a free exchange of ideas and insights.

I would be really sad to see the last bastion on sanity on this site being reduced to GD-P, where people are afraid to share ideas because those ideas go against what is popular.

The insinuation is that the "white lady" should sit in the back while Obama drives!
Let me tell you something my late father told me once, when I was crying the blues about not being treated with respect as a woman when I was competing against a man for a top editor's slot in college. I moaned and groaned, and said that all the nasty people were saying things about women that were unfair, and they were going to give the job to a man just because he was male.
My Dad said, "if you want to play with the big boys, you have to forget that you are a woman. They will not give you a break for that. You will have to win on your own merits or lose because you lack the skills that the man has."
I believe that anyone has the right to run for public office, if they qualify for the office. But I don't believe we have to give anyone special consideration.
I'm sorry that you had that experience at the caucus. However, don't come in here and talk that way about "white ladies" and think you are going to get any special consideration. You are being as racist and unfair as you perceive others are. So cut it out.
Now, that said, welcome to our forum. And remember, it is a forum for astrology, spiritual people, and alternative healing, and not for "white ladies" or "black candidates" and not about who is right or wrong on that level.

these discussions are best left for other forums/groups. Open the discussion, and it will turn into GDP. Those are just the facts, and that is just the experience............

But, whatever. I'll play, if the OPs want to continue this.

This is a political thread about one of the current dem contenders, and, because emotions run high on both sides, it is bound to foster some negativity. It is unfortunate, but, IMO, absolutely what I would have expected.

So, it is OK for people to come on this board and to make comments that are somewhat nauseatingly partisan, if you agree with them? And that is because the predictions made are not in agreement with your particular world view?

I will NEVER start a partisan thread here. If others do, so be it. Might as well rumble. Pretty disingenuous to put down people for making partisan comments in a partisan thread. If the door is opened, it will fly in. I didn't open the door. As far as I am concerned this thread has been GDP since post number one, and anything that goes in GDP goes in this thread. Trying to invoke the so called sensibilities of the group to keep people from expressing whatever their political viewpoint is just is not going to cut it.

volumes about them. It sure makes a person wonder if those higher concepts of hope and change are real or mere words.

ccpup, I appreciate your efforts 100%, and I'm looking forward to hearing about Gore's chart, esp. given the front page news this morning. Thanks, cc.

after seeing the DU headlines this morning.

ccpup, what do you see about the possibility of an Al Gore candidacy? Would you mind taking a look at his chart and sharing your insights with us? Thank you- :)

he's going from the power and strength of Solar Arc Pluto = Sun to Solar Arc Pluto = Neptune, a totally different energy and dynamic and not as strong a one. He also has, until September, I believe, Secondary Progressed Venus square his Sun, so he may look very appealing right now to some, but that may ebb as that progression passes.

Interestingly, Hillary has the same progressed transit in action (SP Venus square Sun) and Barack has his own SP Venus conjunct his North Node and quincunx his Jupiter up to and through the Election. So, both candidates have the "likability factor" in play.

But -- and this is just a cursory look right now -- Al Gore doesn't have the Progressions Hillary has around both Election Day and Inauguration Day. And, no, that isn't because I "support" her. (no snark intended to you, of course, just to those reading who may question my objectivity)

The Progressions are what they are and it's not like I'm reaching for or creating them. A SP Jupiter trine her Mars/Pluto conjunction would be there whether one liked her or not. And one supporting her won't change her SP Sun trine her MC.

I'll take a more detailed look at Al Gore's chart as I'm winging over the Atlantic.

as I've said before, and am sure I will say again, you are very gifted, and I really appreciate your insights. I agree with you: the progressions are what they are, and you read them as such.

Thank you again.... :hug:

I appreciate it, and I'm sure others do, too. We have to remember not to "shoot the messenger' here. I would share it if I saw the candidate I didn't want, winning. It's not about me, or you. It is about what is. And I'm curious to find out how accurate we can be with our predictions. So I'm glad this is all going on the record.

Many things I would post here, but I'm afraid to, very much because of the opposition forces out there who get so riled up when it doesn't go their way.

Many people we now consider great went against-the-grain and held views that others vehemently disagreed with before Society changed or they were proven "right".

I always hope those who take part in these Threads will, if they disagree with what I offer astrologically, respond and offer their views with respect and patience. And, if they have that gift, to discuss with me why -- astrologically -- they believe my views might be off-the-mark. Even if two people are supporting different Candidates, there's no unwritten rule stating they need to be nasty and vindictive and snarky to each other. But that's how some people insist on playing it.

So, a few things I've learned which make my life easier: 1) Don't be afraid ... period 2) Don't try to please everybody. Just offer what's true for you and let the chips, right or wrong, fall where they may and 3) Accept and embrace that not everyone will "get" what you give them. As long as it's done with respect and a sense of sincere sharing, they don't have to. And that's perfectly fine.

:applause: :hippie:

These are very interesting posts, and while some of it goes over my head because I'm just a beginning astrology student, it is really cool to get an experienced astrologer's view.

I very much appreciate your efforts. Please don't let the naysayers discourage you. :hug:

IMO it is the soul's karmic path that carry more weight in the results....we shall see!

can be found in one's Secondary Progressions, katty.

Watching the journey of the SP Moon can spell clearly when it's time to plant the seed, allow the flower to grow, when to harvest, when the flower will lose it's bloom and die and when to replant the seed for new growth. On the other hand, the SP Sun can clearly indicate who one is becoming and what challenges or opportunities one will face by the other planets the SP Sun will aspect and work with or against as well as what House the Sun will travel through (indicating what area of Life will be the focus) and what Sign it moves into (how the identity will change and grow) .

Transits give us a sense of the cosmic weather, so to speak, and is, like the weather, ever changing. Progressions, with the very slow movement of the planets, tell us specifically what phase of Life, of our Karmic Path we're currently walking. The Map is there for those who know where and how to look.

Whether or not we embrace that and work WITH it -- and not against it -- is another matter entirely.

are we working with the energy...and, in my experience, most do not. It is an extraordinary soul and karmic conditions that allow for that kind of flourishing. Your description is excellent.