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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:36 AM
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A New Earth - or - The Eckhart and Oprah Show (just kidding)
Is anybody else reading the book, or participating in the online course, or watching the video podcasts?

I've been reading and watching. It was all great until Chapter 7, which I struggled with reading, and I couldn't watch the entire podcast and didn't want to. I moved on to Chapter 8. I watched the podcast late last night and I Saw the Light. It was dizzying. I've been struggling with my career for a long time, struggling in my roles as a mother and wife and not-writing writer, struggling with my social experiences, and the wisdom that Tolle is sharing via this book and his work with Oprah really is life changing. It is changing how I do my job, how I interact with my husband, how I parent, how I feel about myself.

I'm curious to know what other people's experiences have been while reading/watching Tolle.
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:30 AM
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1. Please share the book title
I don't watch Oprah.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:38 AM
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3. A New Earth
http://www.amazon.com/New-Earth-Awakening-Purpose-Selection/dp/0452289963/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209055042&sr=1-1


Book Description

With his bestselling spiritual guide The Power of Now, Eckhart Tolle inspired millions of readers to discover the freedom and joy of a life lived "in the now." In A New Earth, Tolle expands on these powerful ideas to show how transcending our ego-based state of consciousness is not only essential to personal happiness, but also the key to ending conflict and suffering throughout the world. Tolle describes how our attachment to the ego creates the dysfunction that leads to anger, jealousy, and unhappiness, and shows readers how to awaken to a new state of consciousness and follow the path to a truly fulfilling existence.

The Power of Now was a question-and-answer handbook. A New Earth has been written as a traditional narrative, offering anecdotes and philosophies in a way that is accessible to all. Illuminating, enlightening, and uplifting, A New Earth is a profoundly spiritual manifesto for a better way of life—and for building a better world.

About the Author

ECKHART TOLLE is a contemporary spiritual teacher who is not aligned with any particular religion or tradition. In his writing and seminars, he conveys a simple yet profound message with the timeless and uncomplicated clarity of the ancient spiritual masters: There is a way out of suffering and into peace. Eckhart travels extensively, taking his teachings throughout the world.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:35 AM
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2. I read the book
and was going to participate in the webcast, but it comes on too late for me. If I ever have time, I'll go watch the podcasts.

To tell the truth, I hadn't found much in the book that was new to me, just a reaffirming of what I had read, but maybe in a different way.

I was hoping this webcast would be a huge upliftment of humanity's consciousness - perhaps it has, I'll not give up hope.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:45 AM
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4. I agree - it also wasn't new to me. But my perspective shifted.
I've had a few big "ahhhhhhhh" moments.

I've been saying I understand the ego, and I understand silence, and I understand detachment, etc... but it's one thing to understand these varied manifestations of our selves, and another thing to accept, release, etc. My understanding had become a prison of ideas.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:51 PM
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18. Yes I so agree.
It's the difference between the mind/ego and the experience. It initially took me awhile to 'get' that too. My mind would tell me I 'knew' what it meant, so I could dismiss it and go on. But the mind IS indeed a prison.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:24 PM
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5. Yes.
I watched a few of the webcasts. I don't get good reception during the webcast so, even though that would be a convenient time, I must watch them later. That got me behind. There's also the local meeting, which I've attended a few times. ;)

I'm *behind*. I've struggled with chapter 7 too. Since I was late getting the book, I started reading from the front and from chapter 4 or 5, wherever the group was. I don't recommend that.

When I watched my first webcast (4?), it didn't seem profound much at all. But the next day, I could not stop thinking about it, but not in an obsessive way. The message just settled in, and yes, made profound changes in how I go about being myself. I love it!

Unfortunately, since my job finished up, I don't take a lot of time to read during the day.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:14 PM
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6. I found that the webcasts get better as they go along.
I think Tolle relaxes each week more and more into this format of teaching - especially as he gets closer to the crux of his message. Last night was reeeally good - I kept giggling, but I'm not sure why. I was amused by how well coordinated they were - he was in pale yellow, Oprah in corn yellow, and the set is in warm hues as well. I tend to notice colors though, and I'm always curious to see who I encounter through my day who is wearing the same colors as I, or who among my colleagues are color-sharing, so to speak.

Anyhow, Tolle seemed really relaxed and I enjoyed the callers more than in previous webcasts. I feel a little silly about how much I anticipate the next one - it's good to feel excited, I have to remind myself.

I'm watching the iTunes podcasts, and the picture/sound quality is perfect - like a dvd. Highly recommend.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:57 PM
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19. Sorry for my ignorance, but what is involved in watching the iTunes podcasts?
Does it require some gadget or do you watch through regular computer? I'm trying to figure out if it's something I could enjoy with just my dial up PC? Maybe this is a way around the computer bandwidth and speed issue?
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:44 PM
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23. iTunes software is a free download from Apple.
Once you have iTunes software on your computer, you can watch the iTunes podcasts on your computer (or on your video iPod if you have one).

If you don't want to download the iTunes software, I think the Oprah site has them in other video formats: one would certainly be compatible with your system.

I often feel close to giddy when I am watching the podcasts. It's been an interesting experience.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:46 AM
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26. Thanks Dora, I'll look into that....just in time for the final podcast...lol!
Edited on Sat May-03-08 01:31 AM by Dover
Not sure what the giddiness means, but sounds like a really positive response or release.
I guess I'm a little 'giddy' too that so many are entering into this process because of my own experiences with it so far.

My favorite reminder and the essence of Tolle's message is Psalm 46:

Be still and know that I am God...

I wonder how many have read the context for that line?
Here is the whole psalm, which talks about the river of the Divine, the still place into which we can enter into this flow even amidst great upheaval.





1 God is our refuge and strength,
a very present help in trouble.


2 Therefore will not we fear,
though the earth be removed,
and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;


3 though the waters thereof roar and be troubled,
though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.
Selah.


4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God,
the holy place of the tabernacles of the Most High.


5 God is in the midst of her;
she shall not be moved:
God shall help her, and that right early.


6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved:
he uttered his voice, the earth melted.


7 The LORD of hosts is with us;
the God of Jacob is our refuge.
Selah.


8 Come, behold the works of the LORD,
what desolations he hath made in the earth.


9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth;
he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder;
he burneth the chariot in the fire.


10 Be still, and know that I am God:
I will be exalted among the heathen,
I will be exalted in the earth.


11 The LORD of hosts is with us;
the God of Jacob is our refuge.



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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 03:24 PM
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30. Wow.
Quite prescient. Really a beautiful passage.

Who/what is Selah?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:32 AM
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31. I'm not 100% sure, but think it's difficult to sum up in words,
Edited on Sun May-04-08 12:41 AM by Dover
because it's power is in its sound...and so must be felt.

If you say it aloud as you read/sing the Psalm you begin to feel its significance and the weight it gives the preceding words.

So you can sense it's meaning...and this may not be exactly a good definition but is how I always have interpreted it. It's like a pregnant pause in music (but the space is not empty..it is full with a sound that receives and carries the fullness of His word) in order to fully allow what has just been said to resonate fully within a sacred space. I imagine it to be like a single gentle gong or cymbal at the end of a phrase that emphasizes and continues to resonate after the initial sound is played. Some teachers of meditation use a similar sound to begin and end a session.

Maybe someone else will interpret or explain it differently, but I think that's pretty close.

Selah.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:04 AM
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7. I'm
most of the way through the book. I enjoyed Stillness Speaks much more.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:14 PM
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9. This is the first Tolle book I've read.
Thanks for your reply. How is Stillness Speaks different, what did you enjoy about it?
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:45 AM
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10. It just made more sense to me
I think he's reaching a bit on this one. I also think SS is more mantra-ish. Highly recommended.:)
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:25 PM
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8. I'm really glad you posted this. Yes, I'm reading the book
I've only watched the first webinar online, but want to catch up. It's great stuff.

:thumbsup: A lot of this stuff isn't new to me, but I'm still gaining a lot of wisdom from being reminded in a new way.

I'm reading about the Pain Body now. Interesting.

I strive to be the "awareness behing the thought", but it's damn hard! LOL! I've gotten better at stopping the negative chatter that goes on in my head, though.

I do not have a daily spiritual practice of sitting quietly in meditation, but I do try to bring as much awareness and presence to my activities as possible.

Some of my highest spiritual moments of bliss happen when I'm outside, in nature, riding my bicycle. I am fully present and not thinking of anything else.

That's as close to "meditation" as I get. :D
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:44 PM
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11. I used to bicycle a lot.
It was my only transportation for a couple of years. It was a completely urban riding experience - I've rarely ridden "in nature." Indeed, there is something about bicycling through the world that enables a perspective of presence.

Every breath is a meditation. What a gift!
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 10:14 PM
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12. Thanks, Dora for posting about the pod casts.
I've been enjoying this book through and through. And, as you say, It's not really new material but, just presented in a way that gives you a new perspective.

I really crack up reading the chat on Oprah's site.

Somehow, the way Eckert presents it all allows me to live it moment-to-moment. The application to my daily life is amazing!

And, you just reminded me of one of my funniest bicycling experiences:

I once road 14 miles for an interview in 114 degree F(Arizona), in a skirt! Needless to say, I did NOT get the job!;-)
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:31 AM
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13. I haven't read Tolle, I was drawn in by your headline. There really is a 'new earth' by the way
it was announced earlier this month and is about 20 light years from here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=450467&in_page_id=1965

Congratulations on your breakthrough, Dora!!


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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:12 AM
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14. Very interesting! Thanks for posting it, crikkett.
I feel bad for that poor planet and any current life forms on it. if we destroy Earth because of our carelessness and greed, humanity will do the same thing to this planet without batting an eye. (At least humanity at its current vibratory rate would; I hope that we'll be beyond such things as our vibratory rate rises.)

:(

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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:25 AM
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15. Can you imagine a 13-day year?
Time is relative, I know, but WOW!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:57 AM
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16. Yes...loving the book!
Edited on Thu May-01-08 07:04 AM by Dover
My primary shifts regarding Tolle's teachings (major ahas!) came several years ago when I read Power Of Now, but I find this book much more accessible. Or maybe its just that I've been integrating these practices and progressively experienced their affects in my life so that now I am appreciating his teachings on a deeper level than I did initially...so it's easier. It was tough to 'get it' at first because I kept trying to accomplish that through my mind/ego. So the experience and practice is the real doorway...

And I gotta say I'm just thrilled to discover Tolle's message is reaching so many worldwide and that there is this opportunity to process it together through Oprah's 'classroom'. Though I've not been a big watcher of her t.v. show (due mainly to my lack of interest in t.v. in general) I am so impressed to discover her depths and honesty and think she and Tolle's styles of teaching and delivery are so complimentary, which is something I'd never have guessed would work. Unfortunately, due to my computer limitations, I can't join in the live show, but have been reading the transcripts and occassionally taking the time (hours!) to download the audio.

I loved chapt. 9, and want to share a couple of passages that struck a chord with me.

The first is on page 262:

Many people who are going through the early stages of the awakening process are no longer certain what their outer purpose is. What drives the world no longer drives them. Seeing the madness of our civilization so clearly, they may feel somewhat alienated from the culture around them. Some feel that they inhabit a no-man's-land between two worlds. They are no longer run by the ego, yet the arising awareness has not yet become fully integrated into their lives. Inner and outer purpose have not merged.


I hope they will talk more about this awkward stage and how to move through it. Many people find any form of isolation or disconnect from culture to be so threatening and scary. And yet, through the inner alignment with the Divine that is developed the connections to others in general becomes MUCH deeper and infinitely more meaningful than a limited cultural identification could ever provide.

And the second passage (p. 263-5) has to do with what I feel many people confuse with being spiritual. They still are in the ego world of form, however, and trying to 'be good' rather than experiencing 'being' and its inherent goodness. I recall it took me quite some time to truly understand what it meant to say someone is "not what they do".

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As long as you are unaware of Being, you will seek meaning only within the dimensions of doing and of future, that is to say, the dimension of time. And whatever meaning or fulfillment you find will dissolve or turn out to have been a deception. Invariably, it will be destroyed by time. Any meaning we find on that level is true only relatively and temporarily.

For example, if caring for your children gives meaning to your life, what happens to that meaning when they don't need you and perhaps don't even listen to you anymore? If helping others gives meaning to your life, you depend on others being worse off than yourself so that your life can continue to be meaningful and you can feel good about yourself. If the desire to excel, win, or succeed at this or that activity provides you with meaning, what if you never win or your winning streak comes to an end one day, as it will? You would then have to look to your imagination or memories - a very unsatisfactory place to bring some meager meaning into your life. "Making it" in whatever field is only meaningful as long as there are thousands or millions of others who don't make it, so you need other human beings to "fail" so that your life can have meaning.

I am not saying here that helping others, caring for your children, or striving for excellence in whatever field are not worthwhile things to do. For many people, they are an important part of their outer purpose, but outer purpose alone is always relative, unstable, and impermanent. This does not mean that you should not be engaged in those activities. It means you should connect them to your inner, primary purpose, so that a deeper meaning flows into what you do.

Without living in alignment with your primary purpose, whatever purpose you come up with, even if it is to create heaven on earth, will be of the ego or become destroyed by time. Sooner or later, it will lead to suffering. If you ignore your inner purpose, not matter what you do, weven if it looks spiritual, the ego will creep into HOW you do it, and so the means will corrupt the end. The common saying, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions", points to this truth. In other words, not your aims or your actions are primary, but the state of consciousness out of which they come. Fulfilling your primary purpose is laying the foundation for a new reality, a new earth. Once that foundation is there, your external prupose becomes charged with spiritual power because your aims and intentions will be one with the evolutionary impulse of the universe.


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This also reminds me of the message of Peter Kingsley's article I posted here some time ago entitled, As Far As Longing Can Reach.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=245&topic_id=45711
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:02 PM
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17. Okay. I gotta get this book.
Although I believe I already know what m primary purpose is, I enjoy this clarification; so I am headed to the bookstore as soon as husband gets home.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:47 PM
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24. Thanks, Dover. This post was really helpful.
I think that I'd like the Schaum's Outline or Reader's Digest condensed version of the book. I know that this book is amazingly powerful and life-changing, but I've had trouble reading Tolle's work before; I just couldn't make myself continue to read it. (I think that I've got a rather lazy, undisciplined mind. I'll blame it on the lack of air in my astrological chart. ;))

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:04 AM
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25. Okay, who let the air outta your chart?
Let me at 'em! :hide:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:16 AM
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27. LOL! Hey, I'm pretty low on fire too!
:grr:

My chart's just full of mud. :)

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:58 AM
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28. Is that what keeps you so calm, though?
Sometimes that fire can be a bit pesky. ;) .. You are perfect just as you are.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:36 AM
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29. Oh, I am so *NOT* calm, vsm. It's much easier for me to be calm on-line...
than off-line, where I get to make a decision as to whether I really want to click the 'Post message' button. Just ask ricochetastroman, Metta or my manager! :D As I'm sure you know, water in a chart can involve emotions, so, with all of the water in my chart, when I'm emotional, I have difficulty staying calm. I do try to stay in balance though, which usually helps me to not lose control emotionally.

Thank you for your kind words. :hug:

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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:29 PM
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20. Late to the party...
But not too late! I finally discovered this series on iTunes in time to catch the last webcast thiscoming Monday. I'm glad I listened to the shows (just the audio) before reading the book, because the book makes more sense to me now that I heard Tolle explain it ahead of time.

I experienced an awakening (I called it an epiphany) in the early 1990s, and wished I had someone like Tolle around back then to help explain what I was experiencing.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:10 PM
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21. Are the podcasts still available?
I would like to hear them now that I have some time.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:41 PM
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22. Yes.
You can get them from Oprah's website, or download them through iTunes.

They're good. :)
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