So.... Who Wins in November?....(Interesting perspective from an Astrocartographer)

http://www.hermes3.net/2008election2.htm

So . . . Who Wins?

Obama does. If the Republicans do not steal the 2008 election or intervene to prevent it, Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. On what evidence? There is some, and it's persuasive. Even if the simple stress test we've run here does not identify a clear winner, other factors do:
A comparison of Obama's and McCain's Astrocartographs -- they're in the Universal Festival Calendar preludes from July through September, 2008 -- is telling. While McCain is favored for a life of great wealth and success in Arizona, he has no astrocartograph lines near Washington, DC. Nothing within 500 miles of it. So even though he spends a lot of time in the capital as a senator, Washington will not be nearly as important to his life as the Sun Belt is. Obama, on the other hand, has powerful Sun and Moon lines crossing each other close to Washington DC.

Obama is a much better match than McCain for the Chiron-Neptune Conjunction that rules the years 2008 through early 2012 -- that is, most of Obama's first presidential term. The key point in this alignment is 26° Aquarius, where Chiron and Neptune meet for three years of teaching and healing. Obama's Moon's Nodes at 27° of the Leo-Aquarius axis are only one degree away from being on or opposite to this 26° Aquarius point, and Obama's natal Uranus in Leo closely opposes it, and his Scorpio Midheaven squares it. There are many planet aspects between Obama's chart and the Chiron-Neptune conjunction point at 26° Aquarius. John McCain, on the other hand, has no natal planets, not one, forming angles to this key Aquarius point. We may infer, then, that Obama is the man who is meant to be in office when Chiron and Neptune meet and work together -- and with him -- over the next few years.

Obama is also the most challenging match for the Scorpionic America chart at this moment of sweeping change that will be uncomfortable for many. In this chart, drawn by astrologer David Solte for America's birth in November 1777 -- not July, 1776 -- the Aquarius Ascendant opposes Jupiter in Leo, and both these points square the Sun in Scorpio, forming a T-cross that is likely to be triggered by both the Chiron-Neptune conjunction and the Aquarius-Leo axis in Obama's chart. This is to say that the common feature of Barack Obama, Scorpionic America and Chiron conjunct Neptune is that they all intersect at 26° - 27° Aquarius, and their meeting is likely to bring about overdue changes, fiercely resisted changes, improbable changes that seem to pop out of nowhere, as though change itself has now acquired the power to reproduce.

Obama is also far more deeply affected than McCain is by planet positions in the year 2012, and by planet transits in the years ahead that are empowering and challenging, sometimes both at the same time. In 2011 Obama turns 50 in the year of his Chiron return, when the healing issues in his life come up for clearing, and he is best able to carry out his mission of healing others. As Neptune moves from Aquarius to Pisces in 2011, he will cross Obama's own natal Chiron position and form happy, productive trines with Obama's Venus in Cancer and Neptune in Scorpio. Other news that is closer to hand is that December 2008 and January 2009, at the time Obama is forming his administration and getting ready for inauguration, Jupiter crosses Obama's natal Saturn in Capricorn and his Jupiter in Aquarius, thus bringing some happiness, productivity, successful and contentment to the interval between election and inauguration day. More on this as the year turns, and the cycles are better understood.

For Obama, though late 2008 and the top of next year do have their bright features, the burden of the presidency is likely to feel even heavier than he expected, from the moment he picks it up in January. That's when he understands, much better than he did before, that the most fateful decision the American people will ever have made -- to reaffirm constitutional liberty or to accept control by a military security state -- will come during his watch.


http://www.hermes3.net/2008election2.htm



As of Sept. 2, 2008

I feel so demoralized by the glaring stupidity that's rampant in this country and in the media. I'm willing to grasp at any straw.

that Kineta pulled about the election. MAJOR change, and a lot of people aren't gonna like it. Gee, just in time for the Shift--how conveeeenient. It all fits.

So. How do we keep these stinkers from stealing it again (or contesting it and making everything a big muddle? That's the big challenge. I think I'm going to do a daily meditation on ensuring voting integrity, as GardeningGal said. We can't give an inch on this--we're going to need all the juju we can muster in the next couple of months.

recount done by non-partisans will only prove that Obama won it. On the other hand we should contest it if McCain is the winner because you can be sure there was a fix and a recount will show Obama was the winner.

I've been saying it every day

Mirror, mirror on the wall
It's time to get on the ball
If anyone should mess with this election
Let them live to regret it, and not escape detection.

well, that makes 2 of us who see our transitioning into the Tower in the coming months. it's going to be oodles of fun. well, technically no. but i'll call it 'fun' in a perverse, comical way. i suggest preparing huge spreads of daiquiris to weather the coming collapse. going limp is the way the sage in touch with the Tao will traverse the plummeting gorge...

Does anyone here want to practice on me? I'm in a geographic location for the past 2 1/2 years that really REALLY doesn't feel right, I thought it was just me!

at this website:

http://www.skyviewzone.com/relocationreport.htm

It's a limited time offer, so act now. I just tried it. I'll let you know if it resonates with me.

As Neptune moves from Aquarius to Pisces in 2011, he will cross Obama's own natal Chiron position and form happy, productive trines with Obama's Venus in Cancer and Neptune in Scorpio. Other news that is closer to hand is that December 2008 and January 2009, at the time Obama is forming his administration and getting ready for inauguration, Jupiter crosses Obama's natal Saturn in Capricorn and his Jupiter in Aquarius, thus bringing some happiness, productivity, successful and contentment to the interval between election and inauguration day. More on this as the year turns, and the cycles are better understood.

Another little Obama?

And this:
In 2011 Obama turns 50 in the year of his Chiron return, when the healing issues in his life come up for clearing, and he is best able to carry out his mission of healing others.

:bounce:

That seems completely right to me. The US is like a Scorpio, leading, secretive, vindictive, but inspiring too. And preoccupied with sex.

I LOVE OBAMA.

But I personally do not believe there is any way "they" will let this man win the Presidency of the United States.

The fact that he's gotten this far astounds them and it shows in their Rovian techniques again.

Stealing it or creating a terror-terror situation to send the fearful flying to McCain - or both - is expected.

(Afterall, our own Dems did nothing to correct the stealing problem)

her sun, mars and saturn sit at 22 - 25 degrees of Aquarius.