Marjorie Orr on the Financial Meltdown of September

It’s very easy to get hysterical about a financial meltdown with the oversensationalized media getting all hyped up, though yesterday in fact only took a few percentages off the stock market rather than the freefall which followed the 1929 crash. And stock markets anyway are not the “real” economy though there will be negative consequences filtering through into ordinary peoples’ lives.

Astrologically speaking the 1929 crash and depression following was due partly to Neptune moving out of overblown Leo (the Roaring Twenties) into earthy Virgo undermining employment prospects; with Saturn in late Sagittarius moving towards bleaker times in Capricorn heading for a really tough opposition to Pluto in Cancer bringing deprivation and squaring Uranus in Aries in the early 1930s.


Pluto in Cancer altered family life and changed the status of women, pulling them away from their primary role as homemakers with a tremendous upheaval from Uranus square Pluto. It was largely caused, as is this crisis, by irresponsible lending to Americans hoping to make their fortune on the stock market. The banks lent more than they possessed and the bubble burst with catastrophic results for the next decade.

What has been intriguing me is to work out from the astrology what has been going on in the financial sector this time round. Part of it is irresponsible lending. But the real problem which could lead to banks going bust and people losing their savings - is the ramping up of debt in schemes of mind-boggling complexity which leveraged the original debt into stratospheric proportions, paying the money men percentages all the way up the line.

And it also interlinked all the banks since they laid debt off to each other, so if one goes down the domino effect kicks in. Warren Buffett in 2002 called these schemes “financial weapons of mass destruction - time bombs, both for the parties that deal in them and the economic system.”

There’s a feel here of megalomania, delusional disregard for reality - like the myth of Icarus who flew too high and burnt his artificial wings and discovered the hard way that he was not a god but an earth-bound human. That was there in the 1929 crash - gambling borrowed money to make profits on the markets without having to work for it - which does have a fire sign or afflicted Jupiterian feel about it.

But this time round there’s an additional sense of a hellish enmeshing, a deadly spider’s web of delusions, deviousness, and trickery which adds a Plutonic layer - or worse Pluto pumping its power-driven energy to vastly inflate the bubble. It’s almost Neptune/Pluto - too high and too low at the same time, except it isn’t around at the moment....cont'd

http://astrologymundo.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/marjorie-orr-on-the-financial-meltdown/

if I were to say anything at this point it would be something along the lines of how we are getting a taste of what to expect re: Pluto in Cap. in this country. Might be timely to pull up all related posts for a refresher. Things are about to get reeeeally ugly me thinks (and not just on the domestic front). Finance/money has become the measure of value in our current system. This will change in myriad ways. Money is not the source of power. What we value and how we value it is shifting and will no longer support the current value system.
Sometimes we have to be stripped of the illusion we have identified with to discover we were NOT that at all. We are so much more.

On a mundane level, remember the Boston Tea Party? Well...I think that really will look like a party by comparison.
When the dust finally clears in a decade or two we will be in a very different place. I hope we
will move through this transformation with as much consciousness as we can muster, collectively.

Individually we can direct these energies by bringing them into
awareness instead of being victims, recognizing what areas of our lives need transformation
and willingly taking on the task and reading the cues. A new earth, a new reality. We can move mountains by moving beyond fear.

"A new earth, a new reality. We can move mountains by moving beyond fear."

So it will be.

On edit: Would you mind if I use that quote in my sig line??? I'd love to use it!! :hug:

You're welcome to use those words, though they are hardly unique to me..the words or the message.

Hope you are well. Do catch us up.

:hug:

Both for the kind words, and for the use of your quote.

I've been hanging out in the Astrology forum more lately to pick up on the positive energy here, and because I find so much comfort in knowing there are so many kind and good people around. I live in a VERY republican red-neck area, and as the republicans get a worse & worse rep for their stupidity in governing, the locals get more vocal and more angry....and harder to be around. This forum is a great refuge!

I hope you are doing well and that you are enjoying yourself! Whassup new on your end??

Thanks, too, for continuing to post so many good links...and science, etc. I always enjoy your posts and learn something new from all of them!

(Check out my new sig line! ) ;)

Out of crisis, no doubt, but ultimately for the greater good?

or transmutation are more appropriate words than reform for Pluto. Re-form assumes a certain level of control that avoids total death of the form. In other words the original form is still central to the finished piece, like restoring or redesigning a house. Pluto energy uproots and destroys the very foundation of the original form so that something TRULY new can be birthed.

Acceptance and surrender might be less painful than trying to control, hang on to or avoid this ending. If financial institutions were reformed, would it be truly new, or would it be a re-form for an old set of values and a continuation of a consensus reality?

Of course that's not to say that we won't salvage some of the parts (Pluto is great at recycling), but what is being transformed must lose it's old consensus reality or form (Saturn) first.

What defines 'greater good' depends on one's perspective. I suppose one could see
the destruction wrought by hurricanes or volcanoes as 'bad' but there is no good/bad, it is part of a natural cycle of change and renewal. Regardless of all the details of how it happens, we are part of that cycle. And right now it seems we are, on many levels, collectively nearing the end of a long cycle.

Pluto has to do with our soul purpose, ultimately. And that is what we need to connect to and trust in right now. It is what survives even Pluto's wrath, and we are reborn.

I like this quote from an earlier post on Pluto in Cap:

Pluto ensures Soul Integrity prevails: Pluto will destruct personality alliances and personality driven motivations to ensure soul's mission is attained, even at the cost of the personality life. This implies a need for letting go. The nature of the alliances destructed is a function of the location of Pluto in the astrological chart. Pluto is independent, individual, autonomous, the revolutionist, and the extremist. Pluto is of isolation and aloneness. Pluto fears not battle, war, or death. Pluto is also where, generationally, unacceptability occurs, where the antiquated must be destroyed--in the genetic / cellular patterns carried in ourselves and so in those expressed in the world

Pluto works at a cellular and primordial level, with pre-birth and past lifetime issues. Pluto can invoke cellular level stored fear regarding death, transmutation, and survival issues; as well as all early childhood programming. Pluto is an "opener" and a "deprogrammer" that provides doorways for new growth and unfoldment. Pluto, lord of the underworld, brings to conscious awareness that which is hidden in the subconscious by removing that which is hiding it. Pluto-type experiences (those seemingly destructive) when worked with from this perspective can support tremendous spiritual growth.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=245&topic_id=46124

Forms aren't destined to undergo such a radical transformation if they are a valid part of the soul purpose of an individual or collective.

If we look back at Pluto's transit through Sagitarrius (religion, law, philosophy, etc), we can see that there are still churches standing and people still attending. We also had revealed to us the ugly underbelly, or extreme expressions of religious zeal both in this country and abroad. It was there before this time period, but the bottom of that cesspool was stirred up and all the long forgotten and unconscious pieces came floating up to our conscious awareness where we could see and
interact with it. We found how our ego/personality was cloaked in righteousness and masquerading as divine purpose and the will of 'god'. In fact our projected 'gods' looked alot like us. And it also stirred up ancient forms of belief such as Paganism, in search of a deeper root for establishing that Divine connection.


As hardships and fears entered into our lives and we no longer felt we had control or could rely on our familiar props to hold up our lives, we became disoriented looking for a new more meaningful point of reference. Many began to look deeper into their faith and into their relationship with God. Some felt betrayed or let down by their religious beliefs or felt it did not provide the depth or comfort and connection with the Divine that they sought. This longing for direct connection has begun to empty churches of all denominations, and attendence has gone down. In this way religion as we have known it is dying or transforming in answer to our longing. This movement is not finished but will continue. We had to hit that wall in order to discover how 'unreal' or insubstantial our previous religious path had become.

Fundamentalism was a reaction to this broader shift, and is what happens when one clings to the form out of fear rather than embracing transformation. Fear is not a foundation upon which anything can be built and sustained for long, so fundamentalism will die a slow agonizing death.

There are a million more examples of Pluto in Sagitarrius (for instance the role of law which has been breaking down, corrupted etc.). Some shifts are subtle and deep though no less important or significant to the vaster changes that are in our face or crashing down around us. And some time down the road we'll wake up and discover how deep the transitions and transformations really are at the most fundamental level.

And this is how consensus reality dies and shifts as though some huge terrifying wave has picked us up off the shore, tossed us down into its depths and turned us over and over as it rolled across a vast ocean and threw us up on a distant shore to begin anew....from scratch. And if we can trust this process and overcome our fears we learn that our own deep soul urges are driving these changes, even if we can't see it or at first consciously choose this journey through the valley of the shadow of death, we will find that this new reality is in greater alignment with our soul purpose. And that alignment brings a pervasive peace and deepened connection to ourselves and to life.

said about fear.