I need your opinion, the planets can be personified

A few things before I ask for your thoughts, please. :patriot:
I'll try to keep from being too technical astrologically.

As you have heard, we are under a major, major conjunction of 3 planets, Jupiter, Chiron, and Neptune. It will "last" at least all summer but is felt strongest during the beginning phase. It has been discussed for the past few weeks on this site.

This happened in 1881 but the closest all 3 got was within 4 degrees. (It was in the sign of Taurus, had a Taurus flavor)
This happened again in 1945 but the closest all 3 got was within 2 degrees. (It gave us Van Morrison and was in the sign of Libra (had a Libra flavor). The bombing of Hiroshima was witin 10 degrees)
It happened recently on May 25 and all 3 got within 1/4 degree. (It was at 26 Aquarius, is having an Aquarian flavor)

And 1/4 of 1 degree is 1 big deal. It's MUCH more powerful. :nuke:

The planets PERSONIFY themselves. :think:
What I'm driving at is that someone/thing represents Jupiter, someone/thing represents Neptune, and someone/thing represents Chiron.

Let me give you a few examples. When I do a midpoint or composite chart between two people and find Saturn opposite Jupiter, one of the pair will be the optimist (Jupiter) and the other will be the pessimist or realist (Saturn). AND both roles are needed as long as they don't get out of hand.
See how Saturn (conservative) opposed Uranus (liberal) EXACTLY on last election day and was personified by McCain :wtf: and Obama? :dem:

Well, this Uranus, Chiron, and Neptune personify someone or something or some mixture! And, it can change too.
It flexes like a hologram can do.

So think big, and think wide, and WHO or WHAT DO YOU THINK REPRESENTS THESE THREE ENERGIES? :shrug:

Remember, these 3 spiritually powerful energies started to get closer and intertwine during late January, i.e. during the Inauguration! :party:

No coincidence - there aren't any. :dunce:

You can even see this in your family or at work. For instance, if you have something "going on" in your family now,
Dad might represent the Jupiter, for instance wanting to spend money on a vacation
Mom might be the Neptune, wanting to spend more time in meditation with the husband
Child might be hurting from an injury (Chiron)

The examples can be widespread and make take a few weeks to see how it's manifesting.
It can manifest on the global, national, family and even personal levels all at once; holographic

Look for nations to COMBINE in those three ways, modes, too

Jesus. Saturn = Saturday the Jewish Sabbath and the Sun was Jesus -Sunday the Christian Sabbath.

Monday is Moon (day), Tuesday is Mars and Wednesday is Mercury.
That Thursday was Jupiter, or Thors Day (Thunder day). Friday is Venus -Freya (Freya-Tag in German)

Here is a link just for fun to the days of the week in Latin, English and German.

http://german.about.com/library/bllatein02.htm

I will watch for these characters to play out as you wrote above.


edit: because I accidentally hit post before I was done.

those of us who need more 'splainin.

Jupiter:

expansive principle, good fortune, religion, philosophy travel, material abundance vs. waste and extravagance, understanding and higher education vs. wanderer/dilettante, integration into society, optimism—rules thighs, liver, hips, pituitary gland, cell nutrition


Neptune:

sensitivity, psychic and mystical capacity, dreams, illusion, delusion, deception, the higher octave of Venus, drugs, alcohol, obligation, bondage, fog—rules the pineal gland, the thalamus, the spinal canal and general bodily nervous processes

http://www.myastrologybook.com/10-planets-of-astrology-book.htm


Chiron, the wounded healer, symbolizes those who find the strength through suffering to help others avoid the pain they themselves have had to undergo. We are often directed and made wise by our own painful childhood experiences.
http://www.myastrologybook.com/glossary-cadent-cusp.htm

Chiron, the mythological being, was renowned for his goodness and wisdom. Whereas the other centaurs were rowdy party animals given even to looting and rape, he dedicated himself to the study of medicine, music, astrology and the martial arts. A renowned teacher counting Achilles and Hercules among his many students, he taught the latter how to make the poison-tipped arrows assuring victory in battle.
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Chiron-the-wounded-healer.htm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x93037

nm... started a new thread..

why didn't I syz that!?

But I've been thinking lately of Obama and Iran and Obama and North Korea. After reading this post, I wondered if these weren't the three in play right now: Obama, Zahra Rahnavard - the wife of Iranian presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, and crazy man Kim Jong-Il. Come to think of it, both these countries are sources of nuclear weapons anxieties, as well as the North Korea's sale of nuclear materials to Iran!

Obama is, of course, Jupiter. Zahra Rahnavard is Neptune. She is galvanizing young people, both male and female, in Iran the way Obama did here. And thanks to Why Syzygy's link, I see the attributes of Neptune seem to fit her very well, especially since so many are considered feminine energies: "sensitivity, psychic and mystical capacity, dreams, the higher octave of Venus." As well as "obligation, bondage," in that along with her husband, she is fighting for more freedoms for everyone in her country. As far as "fog—rules the pineal gland, because the thalamus, the spinal canal and general bodily nervous processes," the only relation I can think of is that many of the young in Iran recently got pissed off at Pres. Ahmadinejad for trying to block Facebook :rofl: and that made him very nervous and quickly recant because the moderate candidates used this to rally against him. I wonder if the youngsters would have been so bold if it weren't for outspoken Zahra Rahnavard? If her husband Mousavi wins, this could be a nice shift in our relationship with Iran.

I'm not sure if I'm reaching here, but Jong-Il is Chiron, maybe Anti-Chiron. He fits a large part of the attributes because he, like Chiron, was ill for a long time and retreated from the public last year to heal, which, of course, mentally he has not. Jong-Il to me is deeply wounded but does the exact opposite of Chiron. Instead of helping others (his country, his people) to heal, he causes them to undergo greater suffering.

If we follow the story of Chiron, "Chiron, living daily in great pain, elected finally to meet Zeus’ condition and be the immortal to die in Prometheus’ place." This is Jong-Il's most ardent desire: to meet one-on-one with Jupiter (Obama/the United States). I don't want to read further into it. But that's what I'm thinking about the personification of planets.

what "I'm" looking for. Of course, there is no exact answer, just a bunch of surmising. But, it will manifest all by itself.
Seriously, look for it in your circle of friends too. Thanks much.

In which houses are these planets in the nation's chart?


(I feel like you gave us a puzzle :D )

the DANG USA chart, no one can determine which to use. I use the one with Uranus rising in Gemini. THis was about 2am on 7/4. It puts the 3 planets near the 18 degree Moon in Aquarius in the 10th.

Others use the Shipley chart; Stella uses the Articles of Confederation chart and she is pleased with that.

Just my take.

He was wounded/abandoned by his father, and later to a degree by his mother. We as a nation have been abandoned most especially these past eight years. In spite of that abandonment, he went on to achieve the greatest thing our country offers in the public life! Chiron taught his students about poison arrows -- something that looks ordinary but carries a hidden punch. If what some of the seers are telling us about him is true, he has some hidden punches.

I regret that I haven't read his books yet.

Actually I've put this into next month's newsletter... hmmm

Jupiter is obviously Obama
Neptune is Cheney/Rove big-time deceivers
Chiron is the USA attempting to heal

There are so many permutations. :shrug:

you want a riddle
OK here goes

name the 10 parts of the human body that have 3 and only letters.

No BUT
No ASS

real names, like ARM, TOE...

No cheating.

p.s. It ain't easy!

Everyone DOES love a puzzle.

eye
ear
lip
hip
toe
arm
leg
gut ?
pit ?

I'll post and then :google: :D

edit:
ggrrrr :grr:

10 body parts are spelled with three letters:

* eye
* hip
* arm
* leg
* ear
* toe
* jaw
* rib
* lip
* gum.

http://www.homeworkspot.com/know/3letterparts.htm

And I have tried that on many people. Congratulations
they never get GUM AND JAW or maybe hip

way to go :bounce:

That's after I cheated and looked it up. I missed jaw, rib and gum!

some get rib
most miss jaw
no one gets gum
I didn't know you could "find" it
cool

try it on your friends, no one will get it

I agree that Obama is Jupiter. No doubt in my mind.

I see Biden as the Chiron here. His personal story is a sad one in some ways. He is the aging, wily and wizened politician who has agreed to step back from a role he wanted very much, taking second place instead. And he has devoted himself totally to helping Obama succeed in the extraordinary challenges facing us.

Neptune role is the dark horse here. I have been wondering how Obama has been nurturing his very active spiritual side without an obvious spiritual advisor. There is someone who is filling this need for him. Someone he trusts implicitly to guide him. It may be simply a historical guide - such as Lincoln diaries or some such thing ... but I do think there is a physical someone who is helping him stay centered spiritually. Not Michelle tho I think she helps in this. Not a svengali or rasputin character but someone who is genuinely unselfish in their gift of spirit who is helping him stay centered.

a voice of conservative reason, Justice David Souter, gave notice. And on May 25, a voice of progressive reason, Sonia Sotomayor, was announced as his proposed replacement. With hearings and confirmation to take place over the summer.