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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:08 AM
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First thing I found on DU this morning
was a post on WWII and the action taken by the US in Japan by dropping the bombs.

People on Du were arguing over the right or wrong of this. It is done. No point arguing. That only fuels something you don't want coming this way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6233113


I don't claim to know if it was correct in terms of war or not and that's not why I'm writing this. I have my personal beliefs and feelings and won't delve right now.

What I want to share is about karma. Karma is about cycles of action swinging around again. As in, what goes around comes around. It is highly likely that in the near future, sometime within the next year, that group karma will be heading our way. Actually I can feel it now. It looks to be in the form of the flu that has the possibility to take out tens of millions of US citizens. Anyone who is "identified" as a US citizen will be its target.

As in all predictions there may be mitigating circumstances.

This pattern is not personal. It has no knowledge of what you as an individual would or would not do in circumstance of war. THIS IS A BIG PATTERN covering group karma.

You will not see it coming. However you may FEEL it coming. You may feel it stalking you, It will come on the arms of someone you love.

It is not our intention to spread fear. Fear of this will do nothing. Take action. Move yourself to the point of being a world citizen. Or better yet, a universal citizen. Drop any nationalistic feelings you have of being a US citizen. Take the target off your forehead. Or feel acceptance of this and understand what is happening.

As much as I love the United States of America, and all the good that has been done, I also know that terrible things have been done in our name. They may have been the right action or not, but we are brought into the group and included in the group karma. Unless you can step out of the way or DUCK.

We have written about this before. We won't write of this again. Be safe dear ones.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:51 AM
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1. the flu
First of all, keeping the auric field strong could help with all this, but viruses can be conduits for really negative information, in a STRONG way, and it could be extremely difficult to protect yourself completely.

I would suggest that anyone with a fever and a cough, or any lung symptoms, or definite flu, to make sure that the heart chakra is in balance. Two people that I know that ended hospitalized with bronchitis had heart chakra imbalances. Once those were resolved, they improved. In one of the cases, at least, everything had been in balance before getting the virus/bronchitis. I'm not sure about the other one.

The steps I take are in three parts.

1. Clear-- unscrew motion on heart chakra, visualizing negative stuff being pulled out.

2. Align--visualize the heart chakra being in balance and rightly connected to all other chakras, or say an affirmation to that effect.

3. Spin--for at least twice as long as you did the clear, put positive energy back into the heart chakra, using a screwing motion.

Keep checking hourly with a pendulum if you know how. Repeat if necessary. If not, it would not hurt to repeat this every couple of hours until the person is better. Clearing out all the auric fields separately can make the treatment last much, much longer.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:45 AM
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2. Thank you celebration for excellent information
My hope is that all my friends here at DU will act ahead of time to protect themselves.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:26 AM
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6. That would be great!
I do identify myself as being an American, but I feel more of a citizen of the world. I try to walk in other people's shoes.

Other good advice includes lots of hand washing when dealing with the public. I think I might use Xlear daily as well. Keeping nasal passages moist is a pretty big deal for avoiding the flu.

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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:15 AM
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3. some perspective on karma, swine flu, and other pending calamities
We have, in the US, some very bad karma. But I don't attribute it to the use of nuclear weapons -- the Japanese were very aggressive and they attacked us without provocation. They also killed millions of Chinese civilians, and so on. There is such a thing as righteous self-defense. I simply don't have enough facts there to sense whether or not we overreacted back then.

I think US karma goes right back to its conception and birth, which were founded on genocide of the indigenous people. And then the importation and enslavement of Africans. And the many, many "sins" we've engaged in ever since, especially since WWII with increasing aggression against other countries in order to exploit their resources. And, of course, our enormously wasteful, polluting "lifestyle" that is hurting our planet.

I do think we are coming in for some major karma kickback. And the advice to remember we are one, we are citizens of the universe, is appropriate. As is the advice to "keep our heads down," e.g. be prepared to hunker down for a coming storm. And that we are beings of light, and we will be needed to channel light through the darkness.

On swine flu, I think the more prepared we are for it (and Obama intends to be prepared for it) the less likely it is to deliver our karma kickback. We'll just get hit from some (other) completely unexpected angle...

I'd also like to share some of a microbiology perspective. H1N1 started out with a very high mortality rate, which *may* have been due to:

* poorer underlying nutrition and health of Mexicans, or
* American ability and tendency to reach for the tamiflu at the 1st symptoms, or
* an illusion caused by different reporting methods in Mexico versus the US, or
* mutation to a less virulent strain, or
* any combination of the above.

I haven't seen anything definitive reported. But viruses do mutate at a faster rate than living beings (due to lack of proofreading/editing enzymes in their packaging). And H1N1 seems to be one of the faster mutating types, since it already has shown signs of resistance to tamiflu.

However, to keep it in perspective, while mutations are random and rapid, the long-term tendency of any bug is to co-evolve to *equilibrium* with its host. That is, very virulent pathogens tend to kill their victims too quickly to spread very far. So the strains that survive and thrive are the ones that live in some harmony with their hosts, not the ones that kill the hosts off. That doesn't mean that a short-term highly virulent strain couldn't come out and wreak devastation. It's just not as likely as some think.

Add to that our aggressive stance with a vaccine that will be widely available (not mandated -- just available) this fall, plus local plans for school and business closings, etc. and the odds get better here. Many people will opt for the vaccine, which will provide some "herd immunity." The fewer people there are to catch the flu, the fewer there are to spread it.

I think 2 major reasons the administration is being so aggressive about vaccine production are not because they expect it to mutate to a virulent form, but in order to:

1. avoid business closings as much as possible, as a widespread outbreak could kill any economic recovery, and

2. demonstrate very clearly that the days of inaction and obstruction to deliberaly allow death of the poor (remember Katrina?) are OVER.

On mandatory vaccines:

Some people I think are confusing possible mandatory vaccines in other countries with the US. And some people have seen somewhere that some countries are making the vaccine mandatory, using their populations as "guinea pigs."

I think that, assuming that is the case, before we get too judgemental we need to look at the circumstances in some other countries.

H1N1 appeared to have an extremely high virulence in Mexico. If that was due to combined poor nutrition and underlying health, plus living in close conditions, and in rural areas, living around pigs, that puts similar populations at very high risk.

For example, early on the the spread of H1N1, China put a bunch of travelers in a Hong Kong hotel in quarantine. They would not let them leave the hotel for several weeks, as I recall.

From China's perspective, they have over a billion people occupying similar square mileage as the U.S. That's 3 times the population density. And outbreak of an easily spread, highly virulent bug would be an utter disaster in any such country. The same is true of India, Pakistan, and many other countries. Remember, too, that in many of these countries their livestock live in, or very close to, their homes. I remember early on in the avian flu scare, when a couple Asian children caught and died from the flu -- they were exposed inside their home by playing 'ball'...with the head of a just slaughtered chicken.

These countries must weigh the risk of allowing such an outbreak versus the risk of a marginally tested vaccine, and they must do so within the context of their cultures, not ours.





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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:13 AM
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4. vaccines
Some people fear that the perceived need for a new swine flu vaccine will lead to the approval of new adjuvants that Big Vaccine have been wanting for years, but have not been approved. These would allow them to produce more vaccines in a shorter period of time, because it would strengthen the immune response of the vaccines.

I absolutely would not get a flu vaccine with newly approved adjuvants. However, I doubt if I would get one anyway. I've only had one flu vaccine in my life, and that was just a weird situation, as an MD actually showed up at my front door, with syringe drawn (I'm serious)!! Other than that and it having something to do with my husband, I forget the other circumstances.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:21 AM
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5. I've actually never gotten a flu vaccine
but done quite well relying on herd immunity and aggressively attacking any flu-like symptoms right from the get-go by taking a specific homeopathic remedy and resting for a day or three. :D

I would want to know specifically what the adjuvants are that they want approved. We read a bit about adjuvants last fall in my micro class and from a biochemical perspective they were pretty innocuous, as I recall. But I sold my Brock's, so I can't go back and review what I read about them and don't remember enough to know whether they were even describing the old ones or the upcoming new ones being looked at.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:29 AM
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7. I don't know!
The information I heard was not that specific, but it sounded unappetizing in the extreme. I think we'll find out if that happens. That flu vaccine in the 70s was a big disaster and that may be keeping us safe from too many untested changes. We'll just have to see.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:41 AM
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8. Here are the details.
winyanstaz posted this link in the 911 forum (or more likely it was moved there).

http://drtenpenny.com/the_truth_about_the_flu_Shot.aspx

(...)
June 12 Announcement: The new H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine is going to be made by Novartis. It will probably be made in PER.C6 cells (human retina cells) and contain MF59, a potentially debilitating adjuvant. MF-59 is an oil-based adjuvant primarily composed of squalene, Tween 80 and Span85. All oil adjuvants injected into rats were found toxic. All rats developed an MS-like disease that left them crippled, dragging their paralyzed hindquarters across their cages.

Squalene caused severe arthritis (3 on scale of 4). Squalene in humans at 10-20 ppb (parts per billion) lead to severe immune responses, such as autoimmune arthritis and lupus. Reference: Kenney, RT. Edleman, R. "Survey of human-use adjuvants." Expert Review of Vaccines. 2 (2003) p171. Reference: Matsumoto, Gary. Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That’s Killing Our Soldiers and Why GI’s Are Only the First Victims of this Vaccine. New York: Basic Books. p54.

Federal health officials will probably recommend that most Americans get three flu shots this fall: one regular flu shot and two doses of any vaccine made against the new swine flu strain. Reference: Washington Post, Wednesday, May 6, 2009
(...)
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:45 PM
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9. found this
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25896462-23289,00.html

The industry is struggling to produce good vaccine yields with the H1N1 seed virus. At the same time, the vaccine may not be fully effective against the present strain of the virus or, worse, the virus may mutate, rendering the vaccine ineffective. The vaccine, moreover, will probably require two doses, further reducing supplies.

The World Health Organisation recommends the use of adjuvants, a substance added to a vaccine to improve the immune response so that less vaccine is needed.

Yet the US may not follow WHO guidelines, thereby depleting an already short vaccine supply. The US Food and Drug Administration has never approved a human vaccine containing adjuvants, and clinical trials in the US do not include adjuvants.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601202&sid=alZncUEvwtIM

July 29 (Bloomberg) -- Swine flu vaccine makers may rely on a U.S. emergency declaration to use experimental additives made by GlaxoSmithKline Plc and Novartis AG to boost a limited supply of shots that will be available to fight the pandemic.

The ingredients, known as adjuvants, may be added for the first time to flu shots in the U.S. health officials today are meeting to discuss the additives at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, and to recommend who should receive the limited amount of vaccines drugmakers say they will begin delivering in September or October.

The U.S. Health and Human Services Department declared a public health emergency over swine flu in April, and the Food and Drug Administration has the power to allow the use of unapproved medical products during such a crisis. The U.S. has been slow to approve the use of adjuvants because of safety concerns, and for fear of giving Americans an excuse to avoid getting the shots, said John Treanor, a University of Rochester researcher.

“The question is, do you really feel comfortable throwing this new thing into the mix and do you really need to?” said Treanor, a professor of medicine, microbiology and immunology at the school in Rochester, New York. “I myself, if I had to do it, would really wrestle with that decision.”

.........snip.........

A safety concern was raised in 2004 when researchers at the University of Florida in Gainesville reported that mice injected with oils used in the adjuvants developed conditions of the type that occur when the body’s immune system produces an excessive protective reaction. Similar reactions haven’t been seen in humans.

MF59, made by Novartis and sold in Europe, has been given to more than 40 million people, mostly adults, to prevent seasonal flu, according to the company. Glaxo’s adjuvant has proven safe and effective in clinical trials with 39,000 people, said Lisa Behrens, a spokeswoman for the company, in an e-mail. Glaxo will conduct more studies and continue to monitor safety after the vaccines are in use, she said.

.....snip.......

“Until GlaxoSmithKline and Novartis can show me it won’t harm a rat or guinea pig, I think it’s a bad idea to give it to humans,” Vicky Debold, a registered nurse with a Ph.D. in public health, who is a member of the FDA’s advisory committee for reviewing vaccines, said July 27 in an interview.



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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:05 PM
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10. huh. Just yesterday the FDA announced "tougher"
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 01:06 PM by Why Syzygy
standards.

http://blog.taragana.com/n/fda-chief-warns-industry-part-of-drive-to-restore-agencys-image-after-bush-era-product-woes-132935/

FDA chief’s pledge signals tougher safety stance

WASHINGTON — A pledge Thursday by the Food and Drug Administration’s new chief to crack down on companies that break the law reflects her effort to restore the agency’s image after high-profile safety problems during the Bush administration.


FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg told an audience of food and drug company lawyers they should expect to see faster, tougher action against companies that don’t follow FDA regulations.

“The agency must show industry and consumers that we are on the job,” Hamburg said. “Companies must have a realistic expectation that if they are crossing the line, they will be caught.”

For years, the agency has been criticized by Congress for its handling of safety problems involving products ranging from blood thinners to salmonella-tainted peppers to peanut butter that required one of the largest food recalls in U.S. history.
(...)

Allowing mice crippling substances sounds more like Bush era business.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:52 PM
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11. 2 adjuvants have been in use for decades
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 02:54 PM by northernlights
from what I recall. Researchers are looking at more effective ones.

The US does intend to use adjuvants, per a .gov site I just reviewed (and immediately lost x( I'll go look it up again!)

There are actually 4 Big Pharmas with contracts for the adjuvants.

Here is the .gov fact sheet :) complete with where $$ are going.

https://www.medicalcountermeasures.gov/BARDA/MCM/panflu/factsheet.aspx
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 03:16 PM
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12. on quick review
I've learned that the adjuvants in question (GSK's as well as Novartis') were developed as part of program to develop a pre-pandemic vaccine using H5N1 avian flu. The vaccine apparently works even in the case of antigenic drift.

So the adjuvants have already had some testing done in Europe. Here is part of the abstract for one clinical study (link below):

Methods
A stratified randomised, placebo-controlled, double-blind phase I clinical trial was done in 120 volunteers aged 18–60 years. Volunteers were assigned to receive two doses of placebo (n=24) or an inactivated whole-virion influenza A (H5N1) vaccine with 1·25 μg (24), 2·5 μg (24), 5 μg (24), or 10 μg (24) haemagglutinin per dose with aluminium hydroxide adjuvant on day 0 and 28. Serum samples were obtained on day 0, 14, 28, 42, and 56 for haemagglutination inhibition and virus neutralisation assays. This trial is registered with the ClinicalTrials.gov registry with the number NCT00356798.

Findings
All four formulations of vaccines were well tolerated. No serious adverse event was reported and most local and systemic reactions were mild and transient. All formulations induced antibody responses after the first dose; the highest immune response of 78% seropositivity was seen in the 10 μg group after two vaccine doses. Two individuals dropped out: one in the 1·25 μg group (withdrew consent) and one in the 10 μg group (discontinued); one individual was also excluded from the final analysis.

Interpretation
A two-dose regimen of an adjuvanted 10 μg inactivated whole-virion H5N1 vaccine met all European regulatory requirements for annual licensing of seasonal influenza vaccine. Lower doses of this vaccine could achieve immune responses equivalent to those elicited by adjuvanted or non-adjuvanted split-virion vaccines. The use of a whole virion vaccine could be more adaptable to the antigen-sparing strategy recommended by WHO for protection against an influenza pandemic.



http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T1B-4KV3XW1-2&_user=10&_origUdi=B6TD4-4SG5307-3&_fmt=high&_coverDate=09%2F22%2F2006&_rdoc=1&_orig=article&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=2f42c2e493bc35bc07911c370b9a7f45
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 03:39 PM
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13. some info on squalene
quick research shows that it's a natural biochemical that is synthesized by green microalga, tobacco plants and mammals (and I'm sure other plants, but that's where I found studies). It is large, with 30 carbons and 50-60 hydrogens.

It's synthesized in the 1st step of making sterols. (Probalby the most commonly known sterol is cholesterol). The one function of sterol that I'm familiar with is to stabilize cell membranes. Cell membranes consist of a double layer of phospholipids -- a phosphate with 2 fatty strands attached -- that are loosely joined in a kind of bubble, with various and sundry proteins floating around among the phospholipids to enable transport of various and sundry ions and small molecules in and out of the cell, and sterols stuck in here and there to stabilize the membrane.

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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:00 PM
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14. more on squalene
10-20 ppb sounds like a pretty high concentration in the system.

Re: "All oil adjuvants injected into rats were found toxic. All rats developed an MS-like disease that left them crippled, dragging their paralyzed hindquarters across their cages." it doesn't state at what levels disease occurred. It's not surprising, given the squalene boosts the immune response, and that inflammation is a key immune response, that with "high" doses there would be toxicity. The fact is, anything and everything has a toxic dose.

However, it turns out there is evidence that squalene contamination may be behind Gulf War Syndrome and the DOD ignored and discounted it for years (and may still be for all I know). See attached, also for very interesting information on adjuvant research:

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1999/ns99005.pdf
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:57 PM
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15. Ugh.
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 07:04 PM by Why Syzygy
I've never had a flu shot and never get the flu. Won't be starting now. My DIL is thinking she will get it for grandson, who won't be six months old until October. :cry:

These vaccines concern me. There's nothing I can do about it other than keep the dialog open.
I am washing my hands more often and using GSE and D3.
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