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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:16 AM
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Warm the cockles of your heart with Ezra Klein.
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=08&year=2008&base_name=a_dud_of_the_democratic#108396

Lots of nice things to say about JRE for once, both in the column and a surprising number of responses.

Just ignore "Kevin (S) Willis"... he says "Democrat party", need I say more?

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:55 AM
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1. Fabulous!
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:59 PM
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2. I read that this morning - and it
did warm up the room. Thanks!
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 04:48 PM
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3. This piece explains a few things
Not everything, but enough:

Edwards’ affair -- a tragic and shameful thing, with a reprehensible overlay of hush money and public and private lies -- is being understood not as a sad transgression, but as proof. Proof of something much larger. Proof of what the press corps suspected all along: That Edwards' politics were not genuine. That he is a self-aggrandizing phony. It is, apparently, of a piece with his expensive haircut and garishly sprawling mansion. His "phoniness" and his "love" of money. How infidelity fits into the (confusing) claim that there’s something hypocritical, rather than admirable, about a rich politician attempting to raise taxes on himself and his class in order to better fund social services for the poor isn’t quite clear, but never mind that. There’s another truth on display here, one that has little to do with Rielle Hunter: The political establishment really, really hates John Edwards.

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Two years ago, I wrote a profile of Edwards for this magazine that focused on his populism. I interviewed Chuck Todd, then editor-in-chief of National Journal’s Hotline (Todd has since ascended to political director for MSNBC). Towards the end of the interview, Todd digressed into something that had been puzzling him about the establishment’s reaction to Edwards candidacy. “For some reason he’s pissed off half of DC,” said Todd. “I can’t tell you why, I don’t know. There’s no one rational reason, but there’s a not insignificant clique of elites in DC who are not Edwards fans, and who are borderline irrational about it.”


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That is because there’s no ache to tarnish McCain’s sainthood. No desire to construct a narrative incorporating the Keating Five and personal infidelity and dizzying ideological shifts keyed to political ambitions into some sort of incoherent whole that wrecks McCain’s reputation. With Edwards, by contrast, there is. In 2004, running as a cautious and quiet centrist, he was a darling of the establishment. But his populist reinvention enraged them. Unlike McCain’s transformation from an unpredictable renegade who almost joined the Democrats in 2002 to a doctrinaire conservative who out-Reaganed the competition in 2008, Edwards’ drift to the left cast immediate doubt on his basic integrity. From there, it was almost a competition to decisively prove his essential phoniness: His $400 haircut was somehow far more damning than McCain’s $500 loafers. His willingness to raise taxes on his lavish lifestyle showed hypocrisy, while McCain’s eagerness to cut his own taxes by about $370,000 hasn’t detracted from his “country first” posturing. Edwards’ apologetic admission of an affair now discredits his politics, even as McCain’s leverages apologetic references to his own affairs in order to burnish his reputation as a somber straight-talker willing to accept responsibility for his actions.


This whole Edwards thing has struck me as very strange. He hasn't been running for president for a while now, he's not s sitting senator, he wasn't on the VP short list. Why the hell was it so important to "destroy" him?

There are some explanations in this article. It strikes me as almost like a Gore or Kerry thing; the media didn't like either of them and was bound and determined to bring them down anyway possible.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 05:27 PM
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4. Possible reason.....?
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 05:27 PM by bobbolink
"It strikes me as almost like a Gore or Kerry thing; the media didn't like either of them and was bound and determined to bring them down anyway possible."

Could it be his outspoken opposition to corporations?

Remember the heavy threat against Edwards by the national head of the Chamber of Commerce a week before Edwards suspended?

The threat and hostility wasn't subtle.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:40 PM
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5. Yeah, that's another good reason. Real good reason
As I've said, the whole Edwards "controversy" just stinks to high heaven.

Somebody wants him crushed underfoot, and somebody wants it real bad.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:48 PM
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7. "Somebody wants him crushed underfoot, and somebody wants it real bad."
You nailed it.

I wish I had that letter where I could revive it easily.

It was VERY CLEAR.

Makes you go... Hmmmmmmmm

:(
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 12:19 PM
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6. I'm not sure who was out to destroy Edwards. All I know is that the National Enquire
was in the right place at the right time and no matter how they got there, there wouldn't be a "there" there, if John wasn't there in the first place.



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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 05:23 PM
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8. And of course nobody even wants to bother with who "planted" them there. or Why? Because all any
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 05:26 PM by saracat
reporter has to do is look for sex scandals by following "every politician" around 24 hours a day in case they do something. Right. And of course everyone "knows" that committing infidelity makes it impossible for you to be a good president. Everyone who has ever done so has been "awful". and certainly everyone who has run as a Dem nominee has been squeaky clean because none of our people would EVER endanger the Party by cheating.:sarcasm: The hypocrisy of this is beyond belief!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 01:11 PM
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13. Sara... Well Said! A List Could Be Made Of SO MANY Others Who
made the SAME mistake, but yet since it was Edwards somehow it's so much MORE awful!! I've ALWAYS felt his message got under the skin of too many "big HONCHOS" and they simply couldn't resist when it came time to bring him down!

Anyone remember Eisenhower... he kind of "screwed up" too! There are too many to list, and yet JRE is treated worst than DIRT!

Thanks Sara!

:hi: :hug:
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:57 PM
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9. ditto.. no good judgement there
wish had donated beaucoup bucks to Obama instead
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 02:15 PM
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10.  I am proud of my donations and still support the issues that John and Elizabeth stood for.
No one is supporting those issues now. I will not be donating again to any national candidate.The only contributions I will be making will be to local candidates.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:00 AM
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11. have always admired your passion saracat
have experienced even more disappointment with local candidates. Politics is about getting elected and re-elected at any cost it seems.

Have so many good friends with good intentions that have lost respect for. My husband has been approached for 27 yrs to run for office but thankfully has served in appointed positions only. We've seen as well...a curious thing that has happened to good people we know..after elected to positions..they become addicted to power..or being in the know of hush hush info. Huddling at cocktail parties whispering being in the know. I know this because my husband was right there with them...spending hours on the phone feeling important being in that little clique of information.

He finally broke away and realized what a sickness it was. When John Edwards spoke of the narcissism we totally got it. The feeling that you are special and the superficialness of it all.

Contributions are great..but don't get your hopes up that you are contributing to a personality...just a policy?

btw.. loved Hillary's speech tonight. She slay ed me with the craftsmanship of it all...but know better than to take it as genuine.

best... m
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 01:05 PM
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12. I Recall Chuck Todd On "Hardball" One Night Saying... "Edwards Will
NEVER get the nomination, D.C. Elites hate him! When Tweety asked him why, Todd just looked at him and, "you know the story!"

Todd has said it several times and he may have "more" inside information but I've never heard an explanation!

I don't CARE how many people "dis" me, I STILL miss him and Elizabeth and have been thinking about daily as THIS CONVENTION goes one. HE'S NOT THERE!! I can't imagine what must be going through his mind.

And, YES he made a mistake, but to vilify him as if he was "evil incarnate" is WAAAAAAY over the line! It's truly disgusting!

JMHO
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