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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 10:40 PM
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This didn't take long....Pat Robertson
Edited on Wed Jan-13-10 10:42 PM by firedupdem
:grr:

"Maybe situation in Haiti is a blessing in disquise"

"Hatians cursed for making pact with the devil"

:mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUd0U-ZZZgw



CNN) -- Pat Robertson, the evangelical Christian who once suggested God was punishing Americans with Hurricane Katrina, says a "pact to the devil" brought on the devastating earthquake in Haiti.

Officials fear more than 100,000 people have died as a result of Tuesday's 7.0-magnitude earthquake in Haiti.

Robertson, the host of the "700 Club," blamed the tragedy on something that "happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it."

The Haitians "were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever," Robertson said on his broadcast Wednesday. "And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.' True story. And so, the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.' "

Native Haitians defeated French colonists in 1804 and declared independence.

"You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after the other." Robertson has previously linked natural disasters and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion in the United States. Soon after Hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast, killing more than 1,800 and wreaking unprecedented devastation on New Orleans, Louisiana, Robertson weighed in with his own theory.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html



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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 11:21 PM
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1. You know my standards are low when I'm not surprised.
I was betting people the God's revenge/conspiracy theories would be popping up soon. The pact with the devil angle he's spinning goes to show how difficult it is for many people who know about the Haitian revolution to believe it.



I think this commentary on what Robertson said nailed it-


http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/122171.html

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The slave revolts informed by voudoun, however, were only one of a number of rebellions in the 1790s. An influence was felt among intellectuals of French Deism and anticlericalism and the privileges of the Catholic Church were abolished. In the north of the country, mass stopped being said.

But revolutionary leader Toussaint L'Ouverture restored the privileges of the Church in in 1800. Subsequent cultural and political struggles after independence in 1804 (which was accompanied by a massacre or expulsion of French whites after Napoleon's invasion force was defeated, causing an exodus of Catholic priests) again constrained the Church, though a concordat was reached in 1860.

So Robertson's account sees the assertion of African religion in 1791 against slaving Christianity as a 'pact with the devil' that then led Haiti to be cursed ever after. But even in his own terms, how does he account for the multiple steps by subsequent Haitian states reinstating privileges for Christianity? Even if he does not count Catholicism as Christianity, what about the fact that about a quarter of Haitians are now evangelical Protestants? Didn't the earthquake hit them? And, why is West Africa where the initial African version of voudoun originated and is still practiced by a minority, among the least earthquake-prone regions in the world?

Ultimately, Robertson's version of Haitian history as cursed replicates the old racist anti-Black 'curse of Ham' theme in White American popular religion. Is he saying that Haitians had less right to revolt against European colonialism than did white Americans? (Only about 16% of colonial-era Americans belonged to a church, so it isn't as if they were more pious). And, ultimately, his account fails to deal with the sins of slavery and racism in which Southern US Christian traditions-- Baptism, evangelicalism, etc., were deeply implicated. There is a Southern Baptist church to this day, almost all-white, precisely because it split from the national organization to protect the enslavement of African-Americans.

Evil and the devil are tricky. Robertson projected them on a revolt of African slaves asserting their African traditions against oppressive white colonial society. But they lurk in the traditions of his 700 Club, in the exaltation of irrationality, in blaming the victim, in a subtext of racism, and in a failure to repent for White Christian enslavement of Africans for centuries.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-13-10 11:56 PM
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2. thanks for this link. n/t
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 01:36 AM
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3. I really find it hard to understand.
Someone earlier posted a Freeper link which actually made me physically sick. I was so unaware people could be so sick.

I have a close friend who is from Haiti and he was with me when I looked at it. He read it as it was meant to be read. They wanted him dead.

I can not imagine how any other feeling other than compassion and concern for your own human being comes to mind.

The views of Rush Limbaugh, Fox and the Freepers just so so saddened me. If there is ever a major World wide disaster, the human race will not make it because there is far far too much hate left in this World.

In far too many ways I have been saddened by the events of the past few days. My insides feel torn apart.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 09:44 AM
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4. i live in the same city, and even by his most extreme standards, Robertson has
crossed a line...i hope he gets devoured
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 11:34 AM
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5. Haiti's present plight is no accident
they were isolated after the revolution was successful and the French left. The fact that slaves overthrew their colonial masters did not sit well with the European powers and the racist white power structure and they've resented that ever since.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 01:52 PM
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6. Robertson lost his influence on the far right a long time ago
Even they think he is a whack job. He really is nuts.

He was replaced by Dobson and others as the go-to preacher man.
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