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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:56 PM
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Jack Kemp trashes Kerry (with video)
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 07:58 PM by whometense
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/30/kemp-lieberman/


Comments are generally supportive, though.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:23 PM
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1. This is what happens when you take one too many footballs to the head
Jack Kemp can bite me. I would say that Joe Lieberman can bite me, but I think he has rabies and I don't want to have to go through the shots for that.

Kemp is a whiny little piece of crap that woudn't know a principle or a truth it if smacked him upside the head. The thought that someone might actually want to respect the wishes of the voters of a primary is beyond this pinhead.

I read where Fox's ratings are down. I hope they keep putting Kemp on, pretty soon the ratings will be non-existant.

Motherf*cking slimeball bastard can eat sh*t for all I care. He's a douchebag.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:36 PM
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2. Jack Kemp is a complicit sleazebag!
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 08:36 PM by ProSense
From way back:

Despite using foundation letterhead, Morrow said the request for the plane was a private effort by the movie producer Jack Abramoff to aid the Kemp campaign. She at first blamed the whole thing on Abramoff, whose movie, "Red Scorpion," was apparently financed in part by South African intelligence, as reported last week by Newsday. Morrow finally admitted that she was probably skirting with illegality. "It sounds to me from what I know now what I was suggesting didn't sound legal," she said.

Abramoff, a former IFF official who has denied receiving money from South African intelligence, also said he did try to organize a plane for the Kemp campaign but couldn't because "a lawyer told me it couldn't be done." At one point, he said the deal fell through simply because "I didn't personally have the resources."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=273&topic_id=62665&mesg_id=62768

Kemp hands are also in the Iraq mess. Here is CNN trying to make him appear an innocent bystander by referencing Jimmy Carter, but omitting Kemps deeper ties to Samir Vincent:

This week, we saw the first person to plead guilty in the oil- for-food case, Samir Vincent, an Iraq-American businessman who bought oil from Iraq and resold it at a great profit. Baghdad also gave him hundreds of thousands of dollars to lobby to get sanctions lifted on his country.

Vincent was convicted among other things of failing to register as an agent of a foreign government. Since the Justice Department says Vincent tried to lobby former Clinton and Bush administration officials on behalf of Saddam Hussein, it was only a matter of time since a name or two was disclosed.

However, there's absolutely no indication whatsoever that the people who met with Vincent did anything improper.

Former Republican vice-presidential candidate Jack Kemp confirms to CNN he answered questions about Vincent from the FBI several months ago. He said he cooperated fully and that they had no further questions. Kemp told CNN he met with Vincent after the Iraqi-American called after reading a column Kemp wrote on the Middle East on economic development.

At one point, Kemp put Vincent's name on a planned committee to establish a Marshall Plan in Iraq after the fall of Saddam. He was one of two dozen people on that list, but the committee never got started.

Kemp says he never advocated with the Bush administration a program for sanctions to be lifted. First, Kemp said, there needed to be full access for weapons inspectors.

Kemp says his ideas on Iraq were rebuffed by the Bush administration.

Former President Jimmy Carter also crossed paths with Samir Vincent. He was present when Carter met with Iraqi clerics in early 1999 to hear their views on the plight of children in Iraq and the impact of U.S. sanctions.

Jimmy Carter has not been interviewed by the FBI and says he did not lobby the Bush administration to get sanctions lifted.

Another Washington figure, former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci, reportedly gave a good reference on Vincent to Kemp. Carlucci and his firm, The Carlisle Group, deny doing any business with Vincent or his company, Phoenix International.

Another name on Kemp's proposed committee, former U.N. Ambassador Richard Holbrooke. He says he never heard of or met Vincent -- Kitty.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0501/21/ldt.01.html


Think Progress exposes the fraud:

Dick Cheney has a history of lobbying to lift sanctions in countries where Halliburton was doing, or hoped to do, business. Those countries include Burma (he signed an amicus brief against the Massachusetts Burma Law), Libya, Iran and Azerbaijan. During the 2000 presidential campaign, he acknowledged that Halliburton — through off-shore subsidiaries — did business in those countries but insisted “Iraq’s different.”

Jack Kemp, former Republican Vice Presidential candidate and former head of the anti-tax group Freedomworks — which coordinated artificial folksy townhalls for President Bush’s Social Security tour last year — also lobbied to have the sanctions regime against Iraq lifted. According to MSNBC, Kemp has been questioned by the FBI about his dealings with Samir Vincent, a major player in the OFF scandal who was indicted for lobbying on behalf of Iraq in exchange for millions of dollars in illicit funds.

Kemp, James Baker, Samir Vincent and former Reagan Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci — now Chairman of the Carlyle Group — all sat on a committee to promote “economic development” in the Middle East organized by Kemp in 2003. According to MSNBC, “Carlucci told Kemp that Vincent was a ‘good guy,’ said Kemp, who added that Carlucci and Vincent were tennis partners.”

And then there are the contributors. Among the biggest American players in the Iraqi markets were Bayoil (registered in the U.S. and the Bahamas), the Valero Energy Group and Texas oilman Oscar Wyatt (working through several different corporations he owned, and as an individual).

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/13/debunking-the-right-the-world-did-not-see-the-iraqi-threat-as-bush-did

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 11:31 PM
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6. Here again, TayTay, your remarks on Kemp are too charitable.
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Lieberman now is running the Thugs' playbook whole-hog, and shame on Jack Kemp for lending his celebrity status, such as it is, to a man of fluid loyalties.

I feel a strong secret riptide in this campaign appearance by Kemp, as in Joe running for president as an independent in 08 if he wins the CT race in November and promising Kemp the veep spot. Kemp by all counts has no principles anymore -- he accepted that post with Bob Dole -- so with little else on his calendar he decides to stay in the spotlight.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:38 AM
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9. OC, that is an interesting perspective
Kemp has seemed to resurface lately. Having not seen him, or missed him, for years, he was pretty recently on several talk shows speaking of his views on Russia. He and John Edwards had gone to Russia and had jointly written a paper - which in all honesty I didn't read. (Neither of heir comments made me interested enough to try to find it).

With your comments, it makes sense if he and Joe intend to create an independent party he would try to leverage a connection to someone with genuine Democratic credentials - like Edwards. Edwards, of course, was using the connection to try to improve his foreign policy credentials.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:47 AM
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10. I think Edwards made a lot of sense in that report, but Kemp's
contribution seemed marginal.

Kemp appeared to be using the aftermath interviews to criticize Kerry-Edwards rather than report findings of the team. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what Kemp was up to.

Agree with you that he's in the news an awful lot lately, and for no apparent reason.

I'm so suspicious of Lieberman that my tinfoil hat is in a twist over Kemp.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:44 PM
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3. The comments are great
I was never very impressed with Kemp, but if some of the comments are true he is not a man that Lieberman or anyone else should want on his side. Wasn't he on one of the Sunday talk shows rather recently talking about having gone to Russia and having written a foreign policy paper on it?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:06 PM
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4. Ahm, if memory serves, he appeared with ahm
John Edwards. Gulp!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:18 PM
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5. I've never been a big Lieberman fan,
but I've been genuinely shocked by his utter selfishness about this election. I thought he was prissy and self-righteous, but I imagined he would choose to do what was best for the democratic party's goals over what was best for Joe Lieberman.

It is just disgusting the way he's aligned himself with republicans, the way he's trashed his "fellow" democrats. The way he's apparently thrown aside any principle he might have believed in (except for the war) in order to get re-elected.

I wonder how he sees himself functioning in the senate if he gets reelected? Does he imagine the dem senators will welcome him back with flowers and candy? Does he see himself caucusing with the repugs? To tell you the truth, I just don't get it.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:30 AM
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7. The headline is incorrect
It should read "irrelevant former vice-presidential candidate who nobody has heard from in 10 years trashes Senator Coolguy".

At least *I* think that's more accurate.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 08:39 AM
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8. I didn't even remember who he was until I read the post
That shows you how irrelevant this Jack Kemp actually is. As to Joe Lieberman; he does have principles; "to thine own self be true". Unfortunately, he takes it too literally.
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