I learned a little about Iran-Contra today

and all i can say is, that was mighty bold of Kerry to do. I saw an nightline episode and there was a younger Kerry on, it was nice, was happy to see him.

You know, I don't think most people even know this is the same bunch of thugs that were involved in Iran/Contra. We lost our human rights seat over Negroponte, then Bush appoints him to Iraq with barely a peep?

The problem was, Kerry went out on a limb for Ortega and Ortega turned around and took money from the Soviets. And trying to explain his support for anything that went against Reagan and his Contras would have been difficult. Reaganism has been written into our history books, even if it's wrong. How do you convince US people that ownership of foreign lands by US corporations is not the same thing as private ownership? The people of a country have a right to make a living from their own resources. Maybe when they're finished driving the people of this country into poverty, and nobody can afford land or water anymore, they'll get it.

We are learning about Iran in Political Science, and we learned about Iran-Contra and the Satanic Verses today. I feel Kerry did a bold thing in Iran-Contra, what North, Pointdexter, and the Reagan Adminstration did was wrong, and it's such a shame that people who bash Kerry in our own party try to trivalize this, and the fact that Kerry did it again with BCCI is even more impressive to me.

If you're learning something more than Reagan Contras good, everyone else bad; then I guess there's hope yet!

I was only 1 when he was elected.

how old are you???

:)

if i was like 10 when Bush I was elected, that means you are 16???

:o Hey, nothing wrong with Kidz 4 Kerry. :P

Kleeb, you are one impressive young man. You give me real hope for the future.

:yourock:

Young people are so much more aware now than they have been in decades. That is why we are in the sorry state of affairs that we find ourselves in. Did you see how the media tried to spin the figures on how many young people voted. They showed up in record numbers and voted overwhelmingly for Kerry.

That gives me a hell of a lot of hope.

I was born in July of 87.

I just got here and I'm sure this is an old thread, but I have a 15 year old daughter that is just as involved as you are in politics. She says the same thing, she has no desire to be a politician. she is a writer and she wants to be a million things when she grows up, but politician isn't on her list either. I hope by the time you and her are old enough to run for office you guys change your mind. This country could always use a few good guy politicians who were active from the early age you are!

funny how writers are always drawn to politics whether they like it or not. I suspect it is the intrigue of politics that draws writers to it. There is always so much material in politics!

I loved politics when I was 17 (according to my kids this means I should be a good reference on the American Revolution, damn smartmouthed kids.) Are you doing the college application shuffle? I went to school in DC during a Presidential election year that turned out well. (It was before you were born, and disco ruled the land.) I have even attended an inaugural ball! (Ahm, less said the better.)

17? Damn, kids today are better and smarter than I remember being. BTW, hang in there. I know losing sucks beyond the telling, but it makes winning that much sweeter. And we will win again. I saw this stupid era of conservative retards sweep across the land with Reagan (bleech) and I believe that it can be fought. And having good, intelligent people come into the fight, and hang in there even after a devastating loss, gives me hope. (I know, I probably sound like your Mom, sigh, goes with the territory.)

I have never thought that the boy king was running anything.

...and the confetti comes out here.
Fawn Hall's testimony was very entertaining.

Daniel Inoue did a great job running the hearings.

Coors paid for a good chunk of the operation and got off without so much as a slap on the wrist.

and CIVILIAN Ollie North shows up in a uniform he borrowed from central casting, just for effect.

I had a copy of an affidavit from one of the post-hearings lawsuits. I forgot who's testimony it was. Hair raising, but the people didn't want to hear it.

election season. I have a pretty good list of websites that, if you read in order will scare the pants off you! Rummy and a few other current cabinet members were there for that scandal too! Too bad Kerry couldn't take them down then. I'm sure he would of if he thought they would be running our country AGIAN, what 15 years later? If you ever want some more information I'd be happy to share. My research on the Iran-contra issue made me SURE Kerry was THE man we needed in office to help turn this mess around.

Sorry it is in letter form. I sent it out to the media at some point and thought they needed a detailed road map since they seem to be so dense. Pay particular attention to the time frame of the secret Iran-contra meetings that Bush and Ollie North held. I wasn't a huge Reagan supporter, but it is very sad what * Sr. did when that man was at his worst moment.

Why will no network report these connections? Why did none of you tell the American public why Kerry didn’t vote for the Persian Gulf War? Why did none of you tell Americans why Kerry didn’t vote for the Iraq War? If you were Kerry and you had all this information about the Bush family would you risk letting any of them trying to start another war. The Bush family does war for profit. All of you have this information at your disposal, but none of you will report it. Why?

http://www.tarpley.net/bush18.htm
Oliver North’s illegal activities were set in motion while our real President Ronald Reagan was recovering from an assassination attempt on his life. I have sometimes wondered whether Reagan’s disease was legitimate or a product of guilt over what he very likely would have seen as betrayal by his second-in-command. Just pure speculation of course, but…

“Bush's position as chief of all covert action and de facto head of U.S. intelligence--in a sense, the acting President--was formalized in a secret memorandum. The memo explained that `` National Security Decision Directive 3, Crisis Management, establishes the Special Situation Group (SSG), chaired by the Vice President. The SSG is charged ... with formulating plans in anticipation of crises. '' It is most astonishing that, in all of the reports, articles and books about the Iran-Contra covert actions, the existence of Bush's SSG has received no significant attention. Yet its importance in the management of those covert actions is obvious and unmistakable, as soon as an investigative light is thrown upon it.”

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_02.htm
“North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 Iran/contra charges, along with Poindexter, retired U.S. Air Force Maj. Gen. Richard V. Secord and Albert Hakim in a 23-count indictment.”

“It was clear that North's job at the NSC was to implement two of the President's most important policy goals: the sustenance of the contras despite the Boland prohibition on U.S. aid, and the release of American hostages being held by pro-Iranian terrorists in Beirut. It was also clear that North worked tirelessly in pursuit of these goals.”

“North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 Iran/contra charges, along with Poindexter, retired U.S. Air Force Maj. Gen. Richard V. Secord and Albert Hakim in a 23-count indictment.”

“-- Colorado beer magnate Joseph Coors, after testifying about his $65,000 payment to NEPL which was unlawfully solicited as a tax-deductible contribution, stepped down from the witness chair and shook hands with North in full view of the jury.”

GWB just tried unsuccessfully to get this man elected into office as Senator in Colorado.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_02.htm
This site has a picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein in 1983. He was then special envoy for President Reagan. The Bush family has ties to Saddam Hussein. George Bush Sr. helped supply arms to Saddam Hussein.
“The U.S. was officially neutral regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and claimed that it armed neither side. Iran depended on U.S.-origin weapons, however, and sought them from Israel, Europe, Asia, and South America. Iraq started the war with a large Soviet-supplied arsenal, but needed additional weaponry as the conflict wore on.”
“ The U.S., having decided that an Iranian victory would not serve its interests, began supporting Iraq: measures already underway to upgrade U.S.-Iraq relations were accelerated, high-level officials exchanged visits, and in February 1982 the State Department removed Iraq from its list of states supporting international terrorism. (It had been included several years earlier because of ties with several Palestinian nationalist groups, not Islamicists sharing the worldview of al-Qaeda. “
“Iraq received massive external financial support from the Gulf states, and assistance through loan programs from the U.S. The White House and State Department pressured the Export-Import Bank to provide Iraq with financing, to enhance its credit standing and enable it to obtain loans from other international financial institutions.”
“The Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988) was one of a series of crises during an era of upheaval in the Middle East”

This is the war in which Saddam Hussein murdered from what I have heard more than 300, 000 men women and children. These are the crimes that George Bush Jr. wants to hold Saddam Hussein accountable for the crimes Saddam Hussein committed while his father was illegally supplying him with the money, weapons and power to do so. Saddam Hussein knows too much. George bush Jr. was worried he would eventually tell the world the whole story and that is why he is behind bars today and will be handed over to the Iraqi government while we are still involved in the running of that government. Saddam Hussein will be tried, convicted, and executed by that government so that he cannot tell the world what part George Bush Senior and Oliver North knew. When the evangelical Christians put George W. Bush in office, they assured that George Bush Sr. Donald Rumsfeld, Oliver North, and a whole lot of other Republican big wigs currently sitting in the White House will never be convicted of the crimes thy committed against 300,000 Iranian men, women and children. It was our nations contribution to the holocaust in Iraq.


http://www.webcom.com/pinknoiz/covert/contracoke.html
Guess who was the head of the committee that investigated George Bush Sr.?

“The initial Committee investigation into the international drug trade, which began in April, 1986, focused on allegations that Senator John F. Kerry had received of illegal gun-running and narcotics trafficking associated with the Contra war against Nicaragua.”

I’ve heard a lot of republicans harping on Kerry for voting against the Persian Gulf War. If you knew all of this information about a standing President, plus you had information suggesting that that Presidents father was never held accountable for aiding and abetting the enemy during WWII and his father was never held accountable for his crimes during WW I, would you vote to send another Bush to war and another?

John Kerry has been railroaded. He is a good man, with good intentions. He was trying to help this nation and somehow along the line the fourth Bush heir to war has managed to erase all this information from the minds of this Nation. What have you done?

to the Hinkley family. This was actually reported at the time in the MSM, very breifly. It keeps disappearing and reappering on the internet. I will tell you I REMEMBER the reports in the MSM and regardless of what the * family has tried to cover up w/ regard to this story I beleive it to be true and so do a lot of other people who have retained some memory from those events.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38432f49307d.htm

I have never heard of a family where so many people connected to them, dies. Even funeralgate, somebody committed suicide or died somehow. Just freaky scary.

I often wonder how many "regular" guys that don't attract any media attention have been "suicided" and/or "accidented." This family and their base scare the bejeebies out of me. The only "conspiracy" I see going on right now is the one where we all "forget" to connect the dots!

the one good feeling I had on Nov. 3rd was that I could stop worrying about JK being "eliminated" by the other side.
It seemed kind of crazy at the time, but during the campaign,when I would get a chance to see him live on tv, doing a rally, I'd always be so scared that something would happen to him. Now I think maybe I'm not so crazy--my gut was telling me something.