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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 04:11 PM
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time for Smart Select.com?
http://www.selectsmart.com/plus/select.php?url=08frontrunners

They have the current candidates and issues up. You take a quiz--admittedly with kind of lame, non-nuanced questions--and see who your closest match is.

Mine ended up: Obama, Kucinich, Clark, Edwards, Gore, Richardson, Dodd, Vilsack, Hillary, Biden. Interestingly, Republican Ron Paul came in before Hillary, and Giuliani came in before Biden on my list!
:shrug:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 05:23 PM
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1. Here was mine, but I was quite surprised by some of the answers.
(100%) 1: Sen. Barack Obama (D)
(86%) 2: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D)
(84%) 3: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D)
(80%) 4: Ex-VP Al Gore (D)
(75%) 5: Gov. Bill Richardson (D)
(75%) 6: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D)
(72%) 7: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D)
(71%) 8: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D)
(70%) 9: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D)
(57%) 10: Sen. Joseph Biden (D)

In particular, I do not know why Biden comes out that low, even if he is far from being my favorite, I am not sure why he is that far behind.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 05:26 PM
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2. I think these graphs are manipulated just as the news media and their polls are.
.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 05:47 PM
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4. I agree.. and I don't trust this site, it was wrong for JK...
but, FWIW:

(100%) 1: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D)
(98%) 2: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D)
(98%) 3: Gov. Bill Richardson (D)
(97%) 4: Ex-VP Al Gore (D)
(96%) 5: Sen. Barack Obama (D)
(95%) 6: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D)
(86%) 7: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D)
(85%) 8: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D)
(81%) 9: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D)
(65%) 10: Sen. Joseph Biden (D)

...which doesn't come as a surprise to me at all. Except Richardson. I don't know why he's so high on the list. But this is very close to how I would've ranked my preferences.

Here is how I would've ranked them -- removing Kucinich because he throws a spanner into the works. He's someone who is an ideological match but not a candidate I'd seriously vote for in the primary.

Edwards
Gore... IF he were running
Obama
Clark
Dodd
Richardson
Vilsack
Biden
Clinton
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 05:51 PM
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5. I agree, but it is very easy to manipulate the results to get what you want.
This was my initial result. Just by playing with the importance of each question, I got substantially different results.

Also, the two last questions (congress, governor, or nothing and "has already run for president) seem to be way to important in the result.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 06:00 PM
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6. what this underscores for me is that NOBODY has my heart.
It is so different than last time.
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 06:18 PM
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8. I know but it is kind of like picking
the greatest players of all time. ('86 Celtics, '77 Canadiens, Mohammed Ali, Nadia Comanechi, and Pete Sampras)

My Top 10 list is:

Percent Rank Item
(100%) 1: Sen. Barack Obama (D) Information
(91%) 2: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D) Information
(84%) 3: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D) Information
(81%) 4: Gov. Bill Richardson (D) Information
(78%) 5: Ex-VP Al Gore (D) Information
(77%) 6: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D) Information
(77%) 7: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) Information
(75%) 8: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D) Information
(70%) 9: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) Information
(64%) 10: Sen. Joseph Biden (D) Information

Surprise to me was seeing Richardson so high.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 05:37 PM
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3. here are mine with percentages
(100%) 1: Sen. Barack Obama (D)
(98%) 2: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D)
(90%) 3: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D)
(85%) 4: Ex-VP Al Gore (D)
(85%) 5: Gov. Bill Richardson (D)
(81%) 6: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D)
(74%) 7: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D)
(71%) 8: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D)
(67%) 9: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D)
(63%) 10: Sen. Joseph Biden (D)


I'm surprised that Richardson is so high, and that Vilsack is so low on my list.
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europegirl4jfk Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 06:16 PM
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7. Obama 100% for me
That fits because he is my favorite right now. Then Dodd 86% and Clark 84%. I like them both but would inverse the result and hope that Clark is running. He was my candidate last time before I discovered JK. My dream team for 08 would be Obama/Clark or Clark/Obama, whatever way around (and with JK as Sec of State *g*). Dodd is a good alternative as well but that's it for me. None of the others inspires me just one bit.
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 06:24 PM
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9. health policy is is not included except stem cell and abortion which are
closely related to each other.

National Health care either Medicare or VA style for all

Private system is better than a government centered system

Neither
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 08:38 PM
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10. Just for fun. Here are mine
(100%) 1: Sen. Barack Obama (D)
(87%) 2: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D)
(83%) 3: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D)
(81%) 4: Gov. Bill Richardson (D)
(74%) 5: Ex-VP Al Gore (D)
(73%) 6: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D)
(71%) 7: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D)
(71%) 8: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D)
(66%) 9: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D)
(64%) 10: Sen. Joseph Biden (D)

Eh. It's an unscientific poll.
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 08:45 PM
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11. Now I have more respect for the poll. We have identical result - Now I am
going to try to retake it to check test-retest reliability.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 08:53 PM
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12. Here's mine
Right about the same.

(100%) 1: Sen. Barack Obama (D) Information
(89%) 2: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D) Information
(83%) 3: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D) Information
(82%) 4: Gov. Bill Richardson (D) Information
(76%) 5: Ex-VP Al Gore (D) Information
(76%) 6: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D) Information
(75%) 7: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) Information
(73%) 8: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D) Information
(67%) 9: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) Information
(65%) 10: Sen. Joseph Biden (D) Information
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 08:58 PM
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13. my results are exactly the same taking poll a second time.
I wonder if it measures what it purports to measure.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:29 PM
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16. Heh, I am becoming increasingly convinced that there is a major BS factor in it.
There is NO WAY that I can be THAT ideologically different from what looks to be pretty much everyone else here. My results stick out like a bloody sore thumb. I did downrate war questions in importance and uprated economic and social ones, but would that make that much difference? I guess it must have.

Ah well, I'm sure that most primary voters don't vote based on things like this.
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:35 PM
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17. It would be interesting to do some mock surveys with different
weightings. PS: Fire. you are the one I accidentally had on ignore.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:36 PM
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18. No hard feelings.
I am... sigh... a forgiving soul.

;)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:50 PM
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19. I did the opposite
I left economic issues at moderate and had any and all war issues as high priorities. That could be it right there.
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:01 PM
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14. What do you think of my top 5 sports? Ha ha no Red sox or Pats I noticed nt
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:21 PM
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15.  It is way to early for me to even care at this point about any of them.
Edited on Tue Feb-20-07 09:24 PM by wisteria
None of them are worthy. I may just sit this election out and not vote for a presidential choice-just senators, congress people and locals.
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wildflowergardener Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 09:53 PM
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20. Mine were:
Obama
Kucinich
Gore
Richardson
Clark
Dodd
Edwards
Vilsack
Clinton
Biden

Then all the republicans.

Kerry was 0%. I assume that's cause he's not running?

Meg
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:26 AM
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21. tabulating all of the above results:
Seven of us had Obama at #1, one had Kucinich

Five of us had Kucinich at #2, one had Dodd, one had Clark, one had Edwards.

Six of us had Clark at #3, one had Kucinich, one had Richardson.



Seeing as how Clark isn't running (yet?) and Kucinich has only a snowball's chance in hell--we seem to prefer Obama. Now all we have to do is figure out what the heck he stands for!

But even if all the ducks line up in a row--there are other factors such as experience and trust--stuff that doesn't come in a bullet point. So I dunno.

Simplest solution: I'll go with the one JK endorses. I trust him to know who's best. How's that for the ultimate cop-out.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:29 AM
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22. here's a bit of Obama on the issues
Reposting this Boston Phoenix excerpt excerpt from yesterday
David Bernstein, "Rocky Stars" (article on hillary and Boama in NH)
http://www.thephoenix.com/Article.aspx?id=33787&page=1

And neither is exactly feeding red meat to the party faithful. Obama’s wild, sign-waving audience in Durham spent much of the time waiting quietly to jump on any progressive morsel he might toss out to them. At one point, they cheered when he mentioned his work on death-penalty reform as an Illinois state senator, apparently not realizing that Obama is pro-death penalty, and that the reforms he worked on helped to restore the punishment after it had been ended.
And the disconnect doesn’t end there. Jackey Scott, a senior at University of New Hampshire, won’t find Obama as eager to bring troops home from Iraq as she is; Dick Courtney, a staffer with the state’s teachers union, might look askance at Obama’s reference to holding teachers “accountable.” Obama also opposes gay marriage and wants to increase the military budget. He might just be the Democrats’ Rudy Giuliani: intensely popular among those unaware of how much they disagree with his politics.


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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 10:01 AM
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24. I didn't know he was pro death penalty
And I just read in his book about how he helped put in place reforms in IL, like making sure confesssions and interrogations are always videotaped. He side-stepped the fact that he is pro, though! There is a line about how for some crimes the people want the ultimate penalty to be given. :(

So how can this test give me a "100%" for Obama when he's for it and I am against?
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 10:18 AM
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25. If I had taken the test (which I won't),
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 10:21 AM by MBS
mine would probably have come out the same as most people here; I do like Obama, and the test would probably reflect that. But I'm not in the mood to join up with anyone yet, especially this early, especially given the general 2008-race tone so far on money, celebrity, power, and hype, especially given the absence of any substantive MSM coverage of any of the candidates. So I'm just continuing to collect data. Maybe I'll have to stop that, too: the exercise tends to get me depressed. It keeps reminding me of the chance we missed in 2004, and in 2008, to put a truly first-rate guy in the White House. :(
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 09:13 AM
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23. For what is worth.... I had to try it :-)
100%) 1: Sen. Barack Obama (D) Information
(97%) 2: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D) Information
(86%) 3: Gov. Bill Richardson (D) Information
(85%) 4: Ex-VP Al Gore (D) Information
(82%) 5: Retired Gen. Wesley Clark (D) Information
(81%) 6: Sen. Christopher Dodd (D) Information
(80%) 7: Ex-Sen. John Edwards (D) Information
(77%) 8: Gov. Tom Vilsack (D) Information
(73%) 9: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) Information
(66%) 10: Sen. Joseph Biden (D) Information

I think the results are pretty meaningless. I tried to answer as honestly as I could, though maybe I should have answered differently to the question about current member of congress to give poor Dodd a chance :-). And by the way, I would rather have Biden than Hill.
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