Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Ohio Election Workers Sentenced to 18 Months for Rigging 2004 Presidential Recount

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » DU Groups » Democrats » John Kerry Group Donate to DU
 
fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:26 PM
Original message
Ohio Election Workers Sentenced to 18 Months for Rigging 2004 Presidential Recount
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 12:34 PM by fedupinBushcountry
Judge Says He Believes the Conspiracy Goes Higher...

CLEVELAND (AP) - Two county election workers were sentenced Tuesday to 18 months in prison for rigging a recount of 2004 presidential election ballots...



CLEVELAND (AP) - Two county election workers were sentenced Tuesday to 18 months in prison for rigging a recount of 2004 presidential election ballots so they could avoid a longer, detailed review.

Jacqueline Maiden, 60, a Cuyahoga County election coordinator who was the board's third-highest ranking employee, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer, 40, each were convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct of an elections employee.

Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court Judge Peter Corrigan allowed the women to remain free on bail pending appeal, but indicated he thought there was a more widespread conspiracy among election officials.

"I can't help but feel there's more to this story," Corrigan said

FULL STORY:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4266


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=413248&mesg_id=413248
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:33 PM
Response to Original message
1. Sigh.
This just makes me want to cry. 2 x 18 months for a ruined country.

Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court Judge Peter Corrigan allowed the women to remain free on bail pending appeal, but indicated he thought there was a more widespread conspiracy among election officials.

"I can't help but feel there's more to this story," Corrigan said.


And see this note at the Bradblog link?

NOTE: Hat-Tip to "Ninepatch" over at DailyKos for tipping us off to the news of the sentencing. It's a rather sigh-inducing irony to get the news from dKos given it's proprietor Markos Moulitsas Zúniga had once shamefully banned all diarists, and purged their diaries, for daring to discuss and/or investigate the Ohio 2004 Presidential Election conspiracy. Thank you for continuing to make noise on these matters anyway those of you who have done so at dKos!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Well, there were a lot of skeptics (myself included). And a lot
of crap was being posted that was on very shaky ground, if not outright, well, embellished crap. But sometimes that is how you get at the story -- lots of bad info with a golden core of some good stuff that pans out. I was actually thinking about doing a meta diary about how Markos should lift that ban in light of the USAs firing scandal. They do love meta over there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Don't read too much into this
These were just lazy people who were trying to avoid the work of a recount, not people who were trying to steal the electon. One of them was even a registered Democrat. Unfortunately the story is being twisted as being proof that th election was stolen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. The judge is right, though, that there are indications that show WIDER fraud
activity.

No doubt the judge has accessed more election fraud material while pursuing this case.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #3
10. THIS story isn't proof, of course
All that this story proves is that the recount was flawed and the conclusions it drew in Cuyahoga County were likely incorrect.

These days, being a registered Democrat isn't really a mitigating factor. Theresa LePore was elected to office as a Democrat, after all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #3
11. We've been through this before, Ron.
You are always the first to claim the election wasn't stolen, or not proved stolen. With a lot of joy, I might add, that you are the rational one.

As I said before, there was no way to get a conviction claiming something that couldn't be proven, or by overreaching.

And to those below, this was a random count to allow a recount, which was short-circuited by these rigged counts. At any other election, not so thoroughly scripted, would we say by accident. This was part of the plan.

Remember that Holt's Bill needs amendments. Go to PDAmerica.org, Brad Blog, votersunite.org to learn the details. Fast-tracked, we have little time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. He's probably right
There were reports, many substantiated, all over Ohio about malfeasance. In one county with paper punch-card ballots, there was photographic proof that ballots had been tampered with by affixing stickers over holes, either to have legitimate votes not counted, or to have illegitimate votes (overvotes) counted that shouldn't have been.

And as if outright fraud and abuse of power weren't enough, there are literally thousands of election officials who don't take their jobs seriously and cut corners that shouldn't be cut. I wish that set of officials would step down; with the interest in this issue there are many more activists who would take their jobs with the utmost seriousness.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Noisy Democrat Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Proof?
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 10:09 AM by Noisy Democrat
I heard about eyewitness accounts, but not photographic proof. I'd be curious to hear more.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. I remember - way back when -
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 10:44 AM by whometense
reading about the stickers that were used on ballots to cover up Kerry votes.

http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/election-fraud.htm

Larisa Alexandrovna: Ohio recount volunteers allege electoral tampering, legal violations and possible fraud, The Raw Story, January 26, 2005
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=7 (link's no longer working)

"Serious new election tampering allegations have emerged from an Ohio county, where witnesses allege that stickers were placed on presidential election ballots, RAW STORY has learned. Several volunteer workers in the Ohio recount in Clermont County, Ohio have prepared affidavits alleging serious tampering, violations of state and federal law and possible fraud. They name the Republican chief of Clermont's Board of Elections Daniel Bare and the head of the Clermont Democratic Party Priscilla O'Donnell as complicit in these acts. These volunteers, observing the recount on behalf of the Greens, Libertarians and Democrats, assert that during the Dec. 14, 2004 hand recount they noticed stickers covering the Kerry/Edwards oval, whereas the Bush/Cheney oval seemed to be 'colored in.' Some witnesses state that beneath the stickers, the Kerry/Edwards oval was selected. The opti-scan ballots were then fed into the machines after the hand recount." (2/8)


http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2006/2162


Also in Clermont County, Phillips found an opti-scan ballot with a white sticker over the Kerry-Edwards spot which would prevent the counter from recording a Kerry vote. During the December 2004 recount in Clermont County, witnesses swore out official affidavits that they saw several ballots with stickers over the Kerry-Edwards spot. The county prosecutor claimed there were "less than one hundred" of these, but was unable to explain why any stickers were there at all.


Lots more like this...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:27 AM
Response to Original message
7. The fact is
the 2004 election should have been thoroughly investigated, from Ohio to New Mexico and Washington to Florida.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. And that is the bottom line.
Nothing was properly investigated. Somehow, Kerry was supposed to see to this without any backup by the party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. Yes! And I will take it a step further, I think some Dem's knew there were issues
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 05:02 PM by wisteria
with the voting in 2004 and worked to actually suppress any recounts or draw any attention to it. Richardson for one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 05:37 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » DU Groups » Democrats » John Kerry Group Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC