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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:15 AM
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Bush backs a Timeline, as long as he gets to call it something else.
According to the http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/18/AR2008071801308_pf.html">Washington Post, The President has sort of come out for a Timeline to get out of Iraq. However, seeing as how only Democrats and "cut and runners" favor timelines for withdrawal, he is calling it a "time horizon" so that nobody figures out that he has become a "cut and runner."

I can't wait to see how McCain wiggles and pretzels into supporting this obvious flip-flop.

Oh, and by the way, *we* were right. We were not "spinning in the political winds" we were, dammit, right.

U.S., Iraq Agree To 'Time Horizon'
Bush and Maliki Discuss Troop Pullout



By Dan Eggen and Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, July 19, 2008;

President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "time horizon" for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq as part of a long-term security accord they are trying to negotiate by the end of the month, White House officials said yesterday.

The decision, reached during a videoconference Thursday between Bush and Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, marks the culmination of a gradual but significant shift for the president, who has adamantly fought -- and even ridiculed -- efforts by congressional Democrats to impose what he described as artificial timetables for withdrawing U.S. forces.

In recent weeks, Bush and senior officials have hinted that they would be open to "aspirational" goals for removing U.S. troops, as Maliki and other Iraqi politicians have voiced increasing discontent with the idea of an open-ended U.S. troop presence in their country.

The White House has also been under pressure from top military officers to make more U.S. forces available for the war in Afghanistan, and that would be possible only by reducing the number of troops in Iraq, administration officials said. U.S. troop levels there have been decreasing in recent months, as they return to the 15 combat brigades present before Bush ordered a troop increase last year.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:40 PM
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1. That "aspirational" goals
part kills me each time I see it. Can somebody explain to this imperfect English speaker what the hell an aspirational goal is?!?!? And speaking of "wiggles and pretzels", Maliki's statement should also provide an opportunity for some interesting pretzeling. It's already mentioned all over the place, even on Fox.
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:19 PM
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7. Hmmm, here's my guess
It's the noun "goal" with a feel-good, nice-sounding adjective in front of it. I doubt that if you ask the speaker, you'd get a definition that meant anything. (that's a cynical editor talking)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:29 PM
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2. Kerry was right in 2004 and he warned us several times about Afghanistan too.
But, somehow, call me cynical, I just don't see this "peace" lasting in Iraq. And, as far as the surge, as I understand it, the most important benchmarks- all the Iraq's coming together politically and the sharing of the oil revenues still has not been accomplished.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:44 PM
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3. Funny...
...(almost) isn't it? I responded to someone here...and then wondered if I should have?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6515771
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:48 PM
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4. And yes...dammit...
...we (and JK, of course :7 ) were right. Wearing my 'set-a-deadline.com' t-shirt today in honor of the occasion! :)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:46 PM
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5. Yes, How could I have forgotten-Setadeadline.com. n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:03 PM
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6. I listened to an interview with Condi this morning on Late Edition & she sounded more ridiculous
the more she mention the "Time Horizon". Wolf Blitzer even asked her if it was not a euphemism for a Time line. And, she again just repeated the Time Horizon and added that it would be based on condition on the ground. What a joke. They must really think the American public is still buying their lies and BS.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:33 PM
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8. Maybe we should send her...
...a 'set-a-deadline.com' T-shirt. :7
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:16 PM
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10. Oh, interesting idea. I may have to see if I have a clean one. n/t
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:56 PM
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9. I remember early last year
right after the surge was announced and she came in front of the SFRC, Hagel I think referred to it as an escalation, to which Condi bristled "I would not call it an escalation" "Would you then call it a reduction" "No, I would call it an AUGMENTATION" Hagel's smile after he heard that is the reason I love him :-). This kind of word twisting until everything dilutes into meaninglessness drives me NUTS!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:12 PM
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11. I wonder how long it takes her and the administration to come up with these "words" ? n/t
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