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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:03 PM
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More good (and interesting) feedback on The Speech
I just saw this from a Yahoo alert in my Inbox, and had to share.

It starts with a nice "round-up" piece in the Columbia Journalism Review, Kerry On:

John Kerry gave an effective speech at the DNC last night that skillfully bridged his friendship with McCain, with a critique of his policies.

The speech has gotten many tablespoons of gooey praise—here, here, and here (and here and here and here). It’s one big blogospheric hug for Kerry. (All of which doesn’t negate the praise, but if you want just a tad more perspective than “Best Speech of Convention” or “awesome, like totally rad, he blew me out of the water,” here’s a more sedate, two-steps-back take on it.)


So I thought hmmm, let's take a look at that "more sedate" link (Matthew Yglesias' blog at ThinkProgress). I was pleasantly surprised, not just by the article, but especially by the comments. (Is anyone from here commenting there? Because there's definitely people who "get it" there.) (emphasis is in original)

One thing I don’t think people always understand about Kerry is that he was talked about as a likely presidential contender as far back as the early 1970s. Consequently, his entire political career in Massachusetts was understood as a precursor to a presidential run. This, in turn, led to a tendency among other Massachusetts Democrats to unfairly assume that each and every case of Kerry doing something they weren’t thrilled with reflected his opportunistic drive for the White House. For the past two years or so has been the first time in decades when it’s been clear that Kerry won’t ever be president, so his action can be — and be seen as — merely the actions of a United States Senator with a safe seat and a passionate concern for certain issues and causes. As with Al Gore’s somewhat similar liberation from Presidential ambitions, I think in part it’s about letting him find his own voice but also in large part about his voice finally being heard as his own rather than read through the lens of devious ambition.


I think that last line is a really important point. I get so frustrated with people instantly imposing negative interpretations on other peoples' actions when in fact they don't really have any solid evidence for those interpretations. I've seen so much of that with the bashing of JK in the blogosphere that's it's good to see someone who gets it.

Maybe that's one reason JK seems so happy lately? Less people automatically assuming the worst of him every time he turns around, because one of the reasons (unsubstantiated as it was) has gone away?

Oh and about those comments. There is a surprisingly high ratio of good, intelligent comments there. For one example, this fellow Petr (comment #3) knows what's what:

I think Kerry ran an excellent campaign in 2004 and would have won if A) Democrats weren’t continually sniping him (Carville and Coehlo most egregiously… causing him to run flanking maneuvers all the way up to the election) and 2) Bush/Cheney/Rove hadn’t used the entire apparatus of the government (Terror alerts anybody? Haven’t seen but one or two since…) It’s kinda unfair to put anything on Kerry when his allies tried to trip him up and the opposition didn’t succeed on legitimate terms.

It’s also worth noting that, in a call to President Clinton, Kerry refused Clintons advice to embrace the anti-gay marriage amendment cause as a means of triangulating against Bush. From a purely Machiavellian POV, this is advice that would almost certainly have given Kerry the push over the top. That Kerry refused to do so may have cost him the election but saved him his soul. That America still produces men like John Kerry gives me hope.


"That America still produces men like John Kerry gives me hope." Yeah, me too. And when I find a few comments in the vast blogosphere wasteland that recognize what's special about men like John Kerry, that gives me hope too.

:patriot:



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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:11 PM
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1. These quotes are wonderful! what a great way to start the weekend.
Thanks!:patriot:
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:29 PM
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2. This may all be worth it, if Senator Kerry...
...finally...is seen and respected for who he really is.:patriot:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:51 PM
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3. Ooooh, okay
"This, in turn, led to a tendency among other Massachusetts Democrats to unfairly assume that each and every case of Kerry doing something they weren’t thrilled with reflected his opportunistic drive for the White House."

I see. I waited for Kerry to run my whole life too. But I never thought anybody would look at it cynically, let alone Democrats in his own state. Now I get it. I always underestimate the ambitious nature of people.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 08:30 PM
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4. It is and always was complicated
Massachusetts has a complicated relationship with some of her most illustrious sons (and daughters.)

Yes, it makes it tough and it is unfair and sometimes makes outsiders scratch their heads and wonder why anyone puts up with all this noise.

Yet, I would also contend, the Massachusetts can breed very special people, people who do stand up and risk everything for a moral stand. One side of influence is not divorced from the other. Steel mills take all the raw elements and make steel out of them. Steel is forged in fire and heat. That seems to be how it works.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 11:07 PM
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5. Great analogy. n/t
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:32 AM
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8. I find that puzzling, too
I've been thinking of my own representatives (Casey and Sestak) and frankly if either one were able to rise to a national office I would be thrilled. (Less so with Casey but that is only because of some of his policy positions.)

But then I remind myself that I have never really needed anything from them directly. I only have an abstract notion of what "constituent services" entails. I don't know why some people make such a big deal of keeping their pols all to themselves, but maybe there's a reason.:)
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:55 AM
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6. I hope you'll find this as amusing as I did,
so to speak...(bolding is mine) http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/the-kerry-surprise/index.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Michael Schaffer, continuing the ravefest at The New Republic for the one candidate the magazine did not endorse during the Democratic primaries in 2004: “Bill Clinton’s speech rightfully grabbed attention, but John Kerry’s appearance–interrupted by a commercial break on CNN–was the best stab the Democrats have taken towards establishing something they’ve desperately needed: A master narrative for understanding John McCain.”


:banghead:
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:26 AM
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7. It's definitely a bit amusing, in a "you stupid f****" way
My expectations of TNR are very, very low.
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