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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:21 AM
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Will it happen again this year?
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 09:59 AM by fedupinBushcountry
What state(s) will they choose for their Election fraud this time? I don't know about anyone else but this still worries me a lot. Nothing has really been done to change things and especially not in states ran by Republican Secretaries of State who control the elections.

There are still court battles going on in Ohio and when I read what was said in this http://www.velvetrevolution.us/images/Phillips%20Aff%20to%20Reply%20filed%2091708.pdf">affadavit it just makes me wonder, what are we in for this year and will we sit on our hands as citizens and let election fraud win again.


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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:58 AM
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1. All, I can say is, thank GOD Ohio is run by Democrats. 2006 was
a big deal in throwing the corrupt GOP out of power in Ohio. I am sure the "good ole boys network" in Georgia will make sure there isn't TOO much power given to blacks in Atlanta. As they usually do they will bully and cajole, steal and suppress. The difference may be that people REALLY want to vote and will stay in line as long as it takes. We have early voting here, so we're going to encourage people to do that to avoid the harrassment. I live in a GOP district, so there will be plenty of machines (Diebold, barf) for me to vote on.

What's going on in Virginia, Fed Up? Have you noticed what local Dems are doing?
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:17 AM
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2. I live in
McCain country, I mean I am being blinded by all the McCain signs and bumperstickers. We need more Obama visibility. IMO they need to quit being so stingy with signs etc. I had to volunteer to get my sign for my yard(which I don't mind doing, but some people can't)and sign a statement saying I would vote for Obama in November. WTF? I have never seen that before. I bought bumperstickers and buttons and passed them out to people and done my part. It wasn't like that in '04.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:52 PM
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3. Fedup: this is based on the Deval Patrick campaign model in '06.
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 01:06 PM by beachmom
The idea is that you pay for the merchandise yourself, and then that frees up the money for advertising and the ground campaign. I don't think you should let that influence how much you volunteer. If Obama loses, Kerry loses. He'll make the best of it, but his excitement for a progressive era is out the window if McCain wins.

I question the McCain country meme. Why? My precinct in VB, which was heavily Republican still was 30% Democratic. Meanwhile, where I volunteer for Obama in Georgia garnered only 16% for Kerry -- and we are bagging a LOT of Obama supporters, and are working to best that 16%. Just because you don't see Obama signs, doesn't mean there aren't quiet Obama supporters.

I can tell you I have had a MUCH better experience volunteering for Obama than I did for Kellam/Webb. Our office is run by volunteers who are just full of energy and optimism in a very red county.

Edit: And, finally, Virginia is a swing state in the way Georgia is not. Every vote you bag for Obama in Virginia Beach will be added to the very blue totals from NoVa. You quite literally live in "Ohio" this time around, and even if it's a red area, every vote you get means the grand total is closer for a win for Obama.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:53 PM
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6. optimistic unscientific polls on Kerry a nd Obama
1. MA Sign Census, Sept 19 (sample size of ONE site) : Bourne rotary, at entrance to Cape cod (which is not super-democratic-- there are liberals there, but also a whole bunch of retirees, some of whom are very very conservative. . ):

8 Kerry signs
1 EOR
1 Beatty

MA is safe for JK anyway, but nice to see. Also bodes well for Obama.

2. Also, my son , who lives in WI, maintains that Obama will win WI handily, no matter what NPR says about WI 's close votes in the past, and no matter what NPR says (as I heard today, and mentioned in earlier post) about WI being poised to become the "new Florida" in this year's election. While he doesn't think that Obama will win WI by as big a margin as he will in IL, he still thinks that WI is safer than Michigan and Ohio.



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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 02:00 AM
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9. Well, just based on my area, a red county,
there isn't much excitement about McCain/Palin. I've seen three signs, period. I've seen no bumper stickers either--except for an Obama one. I haven't seen any Obama signs in yards yet. This county reliably goes Repub two-to-one. I think Kerry got 33%, for all of our efforts!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:01 AM
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8. We paid in 2004 and now
We finally went to a local printer and they printed up rally signs and buttons. There just isn't anything in practically the entire state. But nobody has ever made anybody sign a statement, that's just crazy. I hope that isn't happening at very many places.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:53 PM
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4. From what I heard on NPR today, Wisconsin seems a likely target
for voter fraud. (Republican Attorney general, doing things to make it didfficult for people to vote, sounds bad)
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:04 PM
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5. Michigan.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 09:26 PM
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7. I worry about this, too. The only thing that...
...helps, for me, is that (even though press coverage has been sparse) the information about Ohio is out there...for anyone who really wants to know. Conyers report, Richard Hayes Phillips' book, etc...and wasn't there even a Gao report on this?

So, I assume that Kerry has read it...therefore Obama and his people would know about it...therefore, action to prevent it would be planned. Wishful thinking, maybe...but I'm trying to have trust. :)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 12:34 PM
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10. Did you see this
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 02:43 PM
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11. I think I've figured out what's going on.
We got two of them addressed to my son in law and daughter who lived here a year ago for a while. The address was correct--that is, addressed to the village clerk, anyway, if that is correct. But we're a Republican area so maybe they sent the correct ones to us, assuming Republican votes? But where they got the mailing list beats me, because my son in law hasn't voted here ever. And I didn't get one.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 04:56 PM
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12. Fedup!!!!!! Did you see this? ABC VA poll: O 50 M 44!!
We never had poll numbers like that in the fall of '04. Come on Virginia -- you look much better in blue!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/22/172245/941/353/606790

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