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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:33 AM
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Brown's truck is nowhere in site in Washington today.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003282209


He pulled up to the Russell Senate Office Building in a Jeep Cherokee just after 10 a.m., rather than the pickup truck featured in a host of his campaign ads.

I's sorry, I couldn't help posting this. Isn't the truck good enough for Washington?
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:53 AM
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1. he's such a phony n/t
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 07:49 AM
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2. Surprise, surprise!
These last few days have been utterly demoralizing, politically speaking.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:08 AM
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3. Same here
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 09:14 AM by karynnj
Many of the Democrats need John Kerry's resilience and sense of perspective. The hardest thing is the perception that we were on the verge of getting the healthcare bill done, but were we really? The truth was the House would not pass the Senate version and the conference bill was looking like it would have significant changes, most to the better. But, everyone assumes that before agreeing, Reid was getting buy-ins with likely problem Senators. Think back to the "deal" that Medicare buyin was accepted .. then fell apart. Or, when the state opt out plan had 60, until it didn't. Reid was right when he said he had been wrong to spend so much time on Snowe. Had he spent one month less, this all could have possibly been sorted out. Now, even if Coakley had won, I think there would have been problems.

All Senators have been home and likely all of them heard the complaints that the whiners got better deals for their state - and asked why didn't their Senator. When you then throw in the union exemption, this has to make it seem "unfair" to non-union heavy states. Someone like Lincoln, will have to answer her constituents about why Nebraska doesn't have to pay the extra Medicaid costs ever and Arkansas, which is poorer, does and why a union contract that costs any amount will not be taxed until 2018, but non-union ones will. Neither of these pass a red face test. (Can you defend them without being embarrassed?) There is no justification to treating Nebraska so differently on such a basic component, where there is nothing you can point to and say - here, this is why that benefits the system as a whole. (Consider that you can defend the various pilot program, because they test future enhancements.) Arguing that the unions negotiate multi-year contracts doesn't cut it either. There are no 9 year contracts and the years already negotiated actually help the union and hurt the company, which may have to pay more for the negotiated package if it is over the threshold. This was a union power play because they controlled a sufficient number of Congressmen.)

One thing this race did identify is that even the extreme donor states are hurting and are hearing the arguments against subsidizing the taker states. This is scary because the donor states are mostly the blue states. In the past, although NJ Republicans always hit Democratic Senators with the ratio of taxes in to what we get, which is always low, people understood that it was because we were a rich state and there was a progressive tax structure. That altruism is harder when real cuts that hurt are being made in the state. While that makes it a harder sell, it is impossible to sell things that are completely unfair on the surface - and both these examples are. It sounds like this is the case Brown made in MA. I know that Senators on the fence are always working deals, but rarely are they so utterly blatant. I know that getting to 60 was a very tough job, but I really think that there had to smarter deals than these and suspect that that is where Senator Kennedy would have really made a difference.

It also doesn't help that the left spent their time whining about single payer, which was and is not going to happen any time soon, and treating the public option as the Holy Grail, followed by backing the union exclusion on the excise tax in addition to the defensible changes that should have been enough. (Even the final package didn't convince one union because they said there would be a problem beyond 2018 and spoke of how they would have a problem because premiums would continue to rise 15 to 20 percent a year. Simple mathematics shows this can't happen - companies could not possibly agree to pay that, with or without the tax and even if you assume that inflation and GDP increase much faster than anyone predicts - that would lead to medical costs being over 50% of GDP, rather than the current 16%, within a decade. Yet the article on that had everyone except me and one other person bashing the tax, not the union President's logic.) The right shifted from ideological arguments to an argument of basic fairness and used words like "payoffs", "corrupt", "bribes" and worse in Landrieu's case. (Now, they ignore that in fact the blue states provide huge subsidies to the red states and their base, for the most part, does not know that.)

That's not to say that it isn't harder now after the loss - it is. In addition to keeping Nelson, Lieberman and the other problem Senators, we need to gain Snowe, Collins or Brown. One problem is that there are not more potentially reasonable Senators I could list here. This might be where Obama needs to get personally involved to see if the package, which really does have many good features, could be cleaned up and reworked to get 60. Maybe throw the Republicans a bone by adding (or passing separately if something not in either bill can't be added) a torte reform similar to that proposed by Kerry, modeled after MA's law, not the Ensign one which cap the plaintiff's but not the company's legal bills. I know this won't make a big dent in cost, but it is a good, fair idea. Not to mention, giving Snowe or one of the others the ability to claim that she/he removed the "payoffs" could be more than enough in basically moderate to liberal states to counter the anger they would get from the party of "NO" Republicans.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:08 AM
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4. I also think that HCR was on shaky ground
even before the MA debacle. It was pretty clear I think to make the House swallow the Senate version as is, and on the other hand Lieberman especially but not only repeatedly warned that any change of significance to what was already voted upon would mean that they would have to reconsider their vote. And the backroom dealings in spit.e of the brave face some tried to put in public (I remember Harkin saying that Nelson's deal for NE is a blessing a disguise because all other states will demand the same, or something like that... I felt really bad for Harkin that I like & respect. But still... after all these months and ups and downs (there are times when I feel as if "I" was part of the negotiations and had to fight for every inch :-)) it's damn difficult to swallow that HCR may actually be dead, an ignominious death.

And the SC ruling yesterday... sickening.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 11:23 AM
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5. TRue, but the problem is that we have nothing decent to offer.
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 11:24 AM by Mass
Prosense has a post on GDP showing what is indeed proposed in a reduced bill. Very little indeed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x145164

I was never a big supporter of the Senate bill, because I consider it does not go far enough to be really useful (in particular,it does not address properly affordability for real middle class families). But, even with this caveat, the Senate bill is a lot better than what is coming, which will be very useless.

I heard Gibbs state what he believed needed to be in a bill to be useful. These elements are not in there.

It does not really matter who supports the bill or not if the bill does not do anything.
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:50 PM
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6. Gimmick-meister!
Massachusetts, you've been had!

I'm convinced: is there any more manipulative message than appealing to people's desire to see themselves as independent thinkers?

"Hi! Vote for me and my command-and-control, march-in-lockstep party! Why? Because you can think for yourselves!"

Gag me :puke:

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 01:52 PM
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7. OMG. He is another Sara Palin
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/01/22/quote_of_the_day.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PoliticalWire+(Taegan+Goddard%27s+Political+Wire)&utm_content=Google+Reader

"I'm a history buff. I love the Museum of Natural History."

-- Sen.-elect Scott Brown (R-MA), quoted by the Washington Post.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:04 PM
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8. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed, that's for sure
I figured that out as soon as he opened his mouth and had to string more than two sentences together. It's appalling that so few of our fellow bay staters could see through his facade.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:45 PM
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9. Should I laugh?
I think I'll cry...
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:16 PM
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12. Oh, look how the BG describes both Senators.
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 04:17 PM by wisteria

"Kerry, 67, and Brown, 50, seem a mismatched pair. Kerry, a Vietnam War hero and a liberal, is cool and cerebral, while Brown, a conservative and Army National Guard lieutenant colonel, won over voters with an everyman image, symbolized by his worn GMC pickup."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/01/22/massachusetts_could_benefit_if_brown_kerry_set_aside_partisanship/
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 01:31 PM
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13. They aged JK by a year
didn't they? I though he is born december 46, which would make him a month over 66. I guess I am sensitive about this, I never lie about my age, but I don't increase the yeat until my birthday :-).
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 02:05 PM
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14. Yes, they did. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 03:36 PM
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16. They changed it and noted at the bottom they did so.
Anyone else think it funny they used Reid/Ensign as their example and spoke of "bringing home the bacon" as the possible work together? One thinks that they could find higher goals. I wonder if John Warner/Jim Webb might have been better. From the sound of it, both NV Senators needed that alliance because they could each be hurt by any attacks.

Here, I have never seen a Kerry attack on a person - just on actions. If Brown becomes McConnell Jr, I assume Kerry will point it out and speak against it. A non-aggression pact is not needed and undesirable - civility is needed and it looks like Brown is willing to act civilly.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 03:49 PM
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17. Yes, I think so too. Right now at least he needs Kerry's help.
It is too soon to predict which way he will go- darling and a leader of the tea party'ers or a real honest to goodness senator for the people of Massachusetts. It will be interesting to see if he is really a Senator for the people, sitting in "the people's seat".
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 10:04 PM
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18. 1946 can't be right...
...can it? That makes him only 63...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 10:59 PM
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19. December 11, 1943
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 11:20 AM
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20. NOW the math...
...works! :) Thanks,karynnj.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 03:19 PM
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21. I meant 43
I am good with math, really :blush:; typing on the other hand... Of course I alse meant "thought" not though in the above, but you already knew that.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:11 PM
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11. Oh no, it just can't be. n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 02:14 PM
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15. The BG has released a correction regarding his age.
Correction: Because of a reporting error, a story on yesterday’s Nation pages about the relationship between Senator John F. Kerry, a Democrat, and the state’s US senator-elect, Scott Brown, a Republican, misstated Kerry’s age. He is 66.

Now, that is better.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/01/23/for_the_record/
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:10 PM
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10. I have to set the record straight- Brown and truck have been spotted in Mass.
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 04:11 PM by wisteria
So, I guess he left it home, but I still think he is going to retired it until he has to run again.
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