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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:49 AM
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How the Wingnuts will frame Kerry
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 09:39 AM by TayTay
EDIT: Added the correct text after the (SNIP) Dumb TayTay repeated the first one on the first pass at this post.

This is from a transcript from a Faux News Channel show. (Worst of the worst: Hannity & Nobody Special)
3/17/05
(Oh, and obviously, we are getting to them. They are bringing out their hoary old, "The Dems are nuts" protest for Kerry. We are getting to them.) Oh, and Beckel is the alleged liberal in this conversation. Hahahaha, guess all the real liberals are on vacation already.

BECKEL: Welcome back to Hannity Colmes. I'm Bob Beckel, sitting
in tonight for Alan Colmes.Earlier today Senator John Kerry blasted
President Bush's $2.6 trillion budget plan. Kerry said, quote, This
budget is like an Enron budget: smoke the numbers, cook the books,
hide the truth and hope no one finds out.
Are Kerry's complaints legitimate or is it just bad blood left
over from the presidential campaign?
Joining us now is former speaker of the house, Newt Gingrich.
He's the author of the book, Winning the Future: A 21st Century
Contract with America. He's also the host of Pope John Paul II:
Pope of the People, which will air this Sunday at 9 p.m. on FOX
News Channel.
Mr. Speaker, welcome.
NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Thank you.
BECKEL: Now I would like your -- I'd like your views on what you
think the motivation was behind Kerry's attack on George Bush,
besides the fact George Bush has put us in the largest deficit of
any president in the history of America.
GINGRICH: Well, I think...
BECKEL: That was a loaded question, wasn't it?
GINGRICH: No, no, no. Listen, I'm quite -- you know, you're a
real professional. I think if you were advising Kerry you would
tell him this is a bit early to be purely negative.
It's a little striking to me that he is consistently now, from
voting against Condoleezza Rice to be confirmed as secretary of
state, through a series of speeches, he's unrelentingly negative.
And I don't think that helps the Democratic Party, because I think
what they actually need is an alternative vision for the future.
So I was a little surprised at how bad tempered and, I thought,
overly negative his comments were today across the board, not just
on the deficit but on personnel appointments and other kinds of
issues.
BECKEL: You know, as a rule of thumb, I think, about politics,
when you lose one, it's good idea to take about a year off before
you say anything. I'm not sure he's taking that advice.

(SNIP)

HANNITY: All right. Let me ask you one last question. You
mentioned John Kerry basically following the Al Gore model of being
the unhinged ex- candidate.
But yesterday, before MoveOn.org, an organization that ran ads
on their web site comparing George Bush to Adolf Hitler. You had
Hillary Clinton there. You had Robert Byrd there. You had Ted
Kennedy. You had Harry Reid, one out-screaming the other.
What is -- what can we take from this, you know, that and the
threat to shut down the United Stats Senate by Harry Reid earlier
in the week? How -- what are we to make of what they're doing here.
Go ahead.
GINGRICH: You -- you may have just coined the right phrase in
the way you asked that question. Maybe they're becoming the
unhinged party.
BECKEL: That may be -- that may be an answer that. Let me ask
one fast question.
HANNITY: Got to let him answer my question.
BECKEL: Go ahead. Can I ask one question? It's really important.
GINGRICH: I think you may be on to something, Sean. I think they
have become unhinged, and I think they get so rattled watching
somebody like, for example, John Bolton who's actually dedicated to
protecting American interests gets sent to the U.N. That is so
unnerving if you're a liberal Democrat.
Then you had Kerry, by the way, attacking the president over
Paul Wolfowitz when even the French today were saying nice things
about Wolfowitz. Now, if you are to the left of the French, I think
unhinged may be the new word for the new Democratic Party.
BECKEL: It also may be the answer about Tom DeLay being a little
unhinged himself.
Though I don't have a chance to ask you a question, it's too
bad. Richard Nixon said I'm not a crook. Is Tom DeLay one? I don't
know that either.


I didn't post this to make you lose your breakfast or lunch, but to see what is actually being said so that the proper defenses can be mounted. I know this is heinous stuff, but it is what many voters see. How would you counter it?
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:30 AM
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1. I see you and I are
on the same page this morning!

My first reaction is that Kerry needs to keep doing exactly what he's doing now. If it's getting to them, it's working.

It also seems to me that a lot of his public appearances show him in a positive light (Kids First, etc.) The more of this work he does, the more difficult it is to convince people he's who they say he is.

I am definitely no expert, but it seems to me that after a year plus of high profile appearances, people already have a pretty good idea of who Kerry is, and "bad tempered" is not part of his public persona.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:36 PM
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2. Totally agree
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 12:36 PM by karynnj
No one in the entire Democratic party has said that Kerry lost because he was acting like a wild unhinged lunatic. In fact, some of the suggestions were he should have moved slightly in that direction,

Their problem is they are unlikely to find even 30 seconds of tape from the entire campaign or afterwords, that make Kerry look other than thoughtful and rational. His ability to be well mannered and polite while bitterly criticizing from his heart things that are genuinely wrong has been a skill he's had for a long time.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:27 PM
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3. The Rethugs are using this because they believe...
it worked against Gore last year. So they are trying to portray Kerry as 'unhinged.' (Excuse me, I'm laughing right now. Kerry Unhinged. Ahm, sorry that's just funny.)

I guess unhinged means support for the Artic Refuge against drilling, voting against the Bankruptcy Bill and in support of working families, working for the KidsComeFirst health care bill and trying to get the * Admin to stop distributing fake news. (And so much more.) I guess if I were a brain-dead Rethug moron, I would think that was unhinged as well. (It's all a matter of perspective, and oh yeah, relative sanity.)

Kerry Unhinged. I think someone should do a news story and use that as a headline. It is pretty good.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:52 PM
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4. "Kerry Gone Wild"
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 02:52 PM by sandnsea
Remember when he said they were going to release the video? lol

Although I think I get the northeastern thing a little more, especially Boston. You guys like your politics down and dirty, bigger than life like Ted Kennedy. Big families, rowdy, say what's on your mind, put it all out there. Kerry doesn't fit that mold, you guys are naturally suspicious of that.

It's kind of like out west here. We can always spot a Californian. They talk faster, slightly louder, and much much longer. Rural west is a short, look 'em in the eye, to the point remark. It can ruffle some feathers, but grandstanding is sort of a no-no.

Is that the difference?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 04:00 PM
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5. Sort of
Kerry is a squeaky clean guy. He really is. The biggest thing the Globe ever found on him was that he was strapped for cash while a US Senator and slept at friend's house. (I know that is stupid beyond words. Whome knows it and I think Rox knows it. But we don't write for the Globe. They thought they had a huge story. Sigh! Compare and contrast with somebody slimy and odious like DeLay and well, our John is just waiting to get fitted for his halo.)

Being squeaky clean comes with a price. Northeast politics are very tribal and turf oriented. Long ago, the Kennedy's came to power because they grew from a natural base in eastern MA. Kerry came after that and he never had a natural base. He is not ethnic, not poor (though he wasn't rich either), not union, not from any particular place that has all those fried boyhood friends who can vouch that yeah you once caused trouble in school and had a minor record, but you have reformed. Kerry is just Kerry. We don't have anymore at home like him. The circumstances that went into making him who he is are not reproducible. And he has always had a target on his back for folks who are, in some ways, jealous of him. (Intelligence, integrity, power player, snappy dresser, still has his hair, ahm, well, you get the picture.)

He is a unique fixture in MA politics. MA people want someone in the SEnate who is smart and articulate and has integrity. So he fits the bill. But he has never been in the tribal end of things. It just is that way.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 04:18 PM
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6. I see that
It's one of the things I try to explain when people say a Dem won in Montana or Colorado or wherever. Yeah, because they're local boys who had some local connection. Salazars and Schweitzer, ranchers. They had that tribal "vouching" thing. DeFazio, in my district, has always been super on helping our veterans. I can see that Kerry never really got into the concept of having a core "tribe" he could always fall back on. His Band of Brothers during the Weld campaign was probably the closest he ever got, and they had to be rounded up if I've got that info right.

Yet, he does generate intense loyalty from a diverse array of lifelong friends. But they just can't be lumped into a "tribe".

Nothing worse than somebody who doesn't feel the need to be part of a group. Above the "unwashed masses" is how it appears. But it's really not with Kerry, I don't think. It's more of a self-sufficiency that can be intimidating to people who don't have it, and most of us don't have it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 05:09 PM
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8. How could they have even tried to make that an issue
I would bet he was a very nice guest or he wouldn't have been invited to stay again. Unless his friends wanted him to vote for legislation to help them, what would even be the problem. I assume the friend was not Ken Lay.

It must have been terribly embarrasing to him.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 05:52 PM
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9. Wait a sec -
Don't forget the "he's not really Irish" story. That one was a "gotcha" that laid a big fat egg too.

He is squeaky clean, TayTay's absolutely right. It apparently drives the journos nuts. Remember last year, Drudge's big "Kerry's intern" story?? When that came out some of the people on the Kerry forum were going bonkers. I never believed for a split second that it was true.

I think (possibly because of the long sad history of the Red Sox) that people around here treat politics as a contact sport. Rough, but no harm no foul.

When you come right down to it, there really is no one like Kerry, anywhere.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 11:05 PM
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11. So if he's not ethnic and tribal, how'd he get elected?
He's wicked smaht. Seriously, people in MA like Sen. Kerry because he is wicked, wicked smaht. This is sometimes hysterical as people can't actually remember what he said exactly, but it impressed the hell out of them. I have heard 'wicked smaht' said in reference to John Kerry more times than I can count. And it is said with pride. (As in, "What, you think we're going to send an idiot to the Senate to speak for Massachusetts? I don't friggin think so.")

He has integrity, he is an advocate for Democratic causes and he genuinely cares about people. And he is a pretty good politician. Add wicked smaht to taht and you got yourself a winnah!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 04:54 PM
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7. Kerry is doing the "human fly" routine
They keep trying to slap him away, but he just keeps coming back.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 07:27 PM
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10. lolololololol
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