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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:17 AM
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Another News Story: Hillary staffer criticizes Kerry campaign
Sigh! MoreDems fighting Dems. This doesn't help.

http://news.bostonherald.com/politics/view.bg?articleid=73884
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:24 AM
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1. This just ticks me off.
Isn't this the same Ann Lewis who's Barney Frank's sister? She's had a tough year or so, what with her daughter being murdered, and she's a smart lady. But WTF??

On Washington Journal this morning the DC guy (Vaughn Ververs???) was gossiping about Edwards vs. Kerry.

What can we mere mortals do to discourage this kind of speculation? Sometimes I really wish dems could do the lockstep thing the repukes are so good at. Failing that (and we surely will fail at that), SHUT THE HELL UP.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:27 AM
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2. since this is a right wing source, they might be playing up something
more than it is.

it's common for people to discuss and comment and criticize on the past election. they use Ann Lewis to try to make it into Hillary vs Kerry.

but remember, one of Kerry's biggest supporters is Barney Frank and i assume he would back Kerry again if he ran.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:35 AM
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3. This was an AP report
That the Herald and a bunch of other papers ran.

Here is another interesting take:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/03/18/MNG9LBR8NS1.DTL
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:14 PM
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4. They can be friends and rivals
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 01:17 PM by karynnj
Lieberman's pledge was unusual and was made when polls showed Gore clearly the favorite. It may have been a way to obligate Gore to picking him again for a rematch. With Kerry and Edwards, I don't know why people are pushing Edwards at this time to make the same pledge. It's too early for either to know their likely 2008 support.

At this stage it would be silly for Kerry to commit to a Kerry/Edwards ticket or Edwards to rule out running if Kerry does. How would Edwards feel if he polled better than Kerry in 2007 or if Kerry ran in spite of being unlikely to win. In both cases, they would be agreeing to maybe giving up their best chance for a suboptimal chance.

This would not make their friendship phony or not real. It sounds like they really did develop a friendship. The Edward's have talked about it more (not surprisingly), and it also does appear that there was respect between the two. The comments seem to be from staffers and are actually less disturbing than Newsweek's reports of Kerry staffers complaining about Teresa.

For ambitious Senators, their closest allies in the Senate are probably those most likely to be their rivals in the primaries. I think the media wants to change the political story into one of personalities. I'm sure the Senators do make some friends among their co-workers just like the rest of us do with our co-workers, but if the time is right they will run against each other.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:39 PM
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10. the thing about Kerry is he doesn't take things too personally
he understands what politics is. it's one thing i like about him because many times people take things too personally and allow personal feelings to get in the way of doing something positive later on just to spite someone they are angry with.

with Kerry , he is the type who could run against Edwards and Hillary and even if he ends up losing badly to them, he would turn around and support and continue to work with them to help improve other people's lives and just make this country and world a better place.

some examples are the Weld race (although Kerry did win that one)where after a tough nasty race he was able to reach out to Weld and even helped him get a job in the Clinton administration when the republicans were blocking him. but one of the biggest is when he came on good terms with Richard Nixon after all the crap his administration did to him. a few years before Nixon died he was at Capitol Hill and he met with Kerry and they got a pic taken together.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:01 PM
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11. I loved that picture
And I think the two of them respected each others views at that point. Even Pat Buchanan was being nice in the special on CNN I saw, saying that Nixon would have respected John by now because if you were up around his level, he'd respect you.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:07 PM
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12. i only saw the Nixon and Kerry pic on some documentary during the campaign
i wish it was available online somewhere. it's one i have been trying to look for but can't find.

it really is a nice pic.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:25 PM
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13. Yep, we probably saw the same one
John had a really cute "what the heck?!" look on his face, like he was thinking that he couldn't believe he was shaking hands with Nixon.

But I thought that was supremely classy of him, to go and make nice with the guy.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 09:50 PM
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14. I had tried to find it on line too
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 09:55 PM by karynnj
because I figured there had to be an interesting story behind it. After all Nixon did to him, it's absolutely amazing that Kerry would shake hands with him. Although I knew about the enemies list and Nixon's paranoia, I never heard how he had told his people to destroy Kerry and that he literally meant that even though he knew that Kerry was a clean cut war hero who was actually trying to work within the system and probably influenced others to do so too.

In retrospect, if Nixon was at all sorry, Kerry made a BIG mistake - He should have asked Nixon to put in writing any apology. It would have been useful last August.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:29 PM
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15. oh man that wuold have been interesting sigh
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:24 PM
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5. "People vote for Presidents not for plans"? So Anne is
advocating "personality" based campaigning? Then Hillary better watch out, as she has NO personality. We have had her speak several times at our state functions and she is NOT good. She has absolutely NO warmth. She makes Gore look animated and fuzzy. Kerry has MUCH more charisima than she will ever have. And thats the truth. Pfffft!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:30 PM
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6. I just wonder who put this out
I mean this type of thing is so silly. Dems should not be fighting Dems at this time. They should be putting all their energy into fighting * and his Rethugs pals.

WilliamPitt has just posted a diary in GD about the Schiavo case and how the Freepers and their Neaderthal pals in Congress are all over this. He believes, as do I, that this is a diversion from the real issues. If The Rethugs really cared about Sciavo, they wouldn't be fighting over pulling Medicaid. (This woman is on Medicaid. Maybe the 'thugs should just wait until the budget goes through and then pull her plug by their actions.)

Anyway, this type of stuff on Hillary Vs. John are silly and premature. We need to be aware of them, if only to say, this is bunk. And not helpful.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:55 PM
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8. I think that some of this is spear headed, unfortunately ,
by our own, who want to steer us in the direction of Repub lite. Shame on them. I wish Reid would conrtol some of these people are corral them in. And Dean could be speaking up a bit. He doesn't have to speak on policy but he could speak about attitude. He should smack the disrupters down! But he sems like a washout lately. I hope I am wrong, but I am disappointed. I had hoped he would unite both factions! I know it can't be done overnight , but at least we could see some movement in that direction! And Tempis Fugit. Votes are being taken now that will effect the rest of our lives!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:49 PM
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7. Didn't somebody say once, beware the unidentified source
it could be disinformation designed to splinter the party. Just thinkin' out loud.

It IS the Herald, after all.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 06:04 PM
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9. Good point. n/t
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