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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 06:43 PM
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So I like Kerry, why must people have problems with that?
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 06:48 PM by JohnKleeb
I am proud to have supported him, I am happy he's still fighting the good fight in the Senate. Damnit, all these haters who fall in love with only rhetoric not actions make me sick, it is a damn shame that a man who is more like Edward M. Kennedy on the issues than William J. Clinton is treated so badly by the party's liberal wing. I am not asking people not to ask questions and be critical, rather I ask them to look between the lines and realize something that Kerry has been fighting for you, hell he's been fighting longer than Ive been alive for what is right for Americans politically, thats pretty much more than you can say about just anyone. Is John Kerry perfect? no he is not, I strongly disagree with his IWR vote and his support of free trade agreements such as NAFTA and the Welfare Reform of 1996. But I like to look between the lines. I see a man who could have gone in to a successful career in law or what after graduating from Yale but you know what John F. Kerry did, he enlisted in the United States Navy and there he saved lives and was a hero but even more he came home and protested that unjust war. He later becomes one of the first people to acknowledge acid rain as Lt Governor of the state of Massachuetts. He becomes senator in 1984 and becomes one of the first champions of gay rights because he himself had served with them in Vietnam and he also helped bring down the crooked scandal that was Iran-Contra. He brought down BCCI. He helped bring about normal trade relations with Vietnam in the 90's. He though he ultimately voted for the war resolution but kept on asking questions. This man was without a doubt one of the best presidential nominees the democratic party put out in a while, he was not anyone but Bush for me but I was for Kerry and it is sadly regrettable that he is not President Kerry today but while many men would have gone in to the shadows after a defeat like Kerry endured, John Kerry fought on, asking questions of Condoelzea Rice and more recently John Bolton. To those who say John Kerry is bushlite, they couldn't be more wrong, John Kerry in many ways is the anti Bush. Rant done. One last thing, as far as accomplishments in our government, Kerry outdoes any of our candidates from the past 4 years which includes Al Gore, Bill Bradley, and the whole 2004 candidate field. That is not to diss them but rather a reflection of an amazing life in American Politics. If our next nominee is even half as good as Kerry in my eyes, I will be satsfied. Yeah, you bet, I like Kerry, you dont have to but if one just opens their eyes, they will see that this man is one of our best and that the tragedy isnt just that Bush will fuck up the country more but that we lost a chance for a great president.
Ok rant really is over now, sorry.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:06 PM
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1. My thoughts are....
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 07:07 PM by Kerry2008
John Kerry has always been fighting for this country. From Vietnam to Lt. Governor, from Senator to running for President. He's a noble, brave, honest, and caring person. From putting 100,000 cops on the street, to working to balancing the budget, and even working with McCain to find the truth about POW/MIAs he's been out there making his presence known and working towards a better America. Like after his lose in 2004. He could have disappeared, and enjoyed his Senate career as another Presidential candidate who lost and just shut up. But no. He continued to stand up for America like he promised to do when 57 million people voted for John Kerry. We stood behind his back, and he's standing behind ours. Now he's fighting against the nomination of Condi Rice and Bolton. Good for him! Some one has to stand up. He's fighting for kid's so they can afford healthcare, and for a Military Bill Of Rights. Thats honorable work he is doing in the United States Senate.

People don't read between the lines. They see Kerry as the Republicans have described him. A northeastern liberal flip-flopper, who just lays down when he loses a election. Thats untrue, and quite frankly a unfair description of John F. Kerry. They don't look at his record in the Senate, they don't look at the hard work he's performed for America. They look at the fact he lost. Plain and simple. I'm ashamed of Democrats who sit there and bash Kerry, yet can't give me a logical reason why. Because he lost the election, conceded, then they find out there was voter fraud? Well yeah, but Kerry didn't "lay down". His campaign continued to fight. He's fighting now for election reform. How did he lay down? He didn't. People are disinformed about John Kerry. It's absolutely horrible how such a great man gets branded with a bad name.

I know these internet Democrats are a small percentage of Democrats, and a small percentage of voters...BUT it really ticks me off to see any one insult John Kerry without justification or logic. I started John Kerry For America to spread the truth, and inform people about the REAL John Kerry. Not the John Kerry that you see through Fox News or from Ann Coulter.

Ok I'm done :)
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:02 PM
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3. Thanks, Kerry2008.
One word that does NOT discribe Kerry is "coward." He knows his stuff and is working (wince) hard because the "president" won't.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:19 AM
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9. Nice Damn Post.
thumbs up & bravo, John.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 07:59 PM
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2. Oh I have a problem with that.
You did not mention how handsome or sweet he is.

Thanks Kleeb!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:36 PM
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15. I cant mention everything dude
:) and its LLL job to do that, not mine.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:50 PM
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20. heehee!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 08:17 PM
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4. This is simply untrue
Edited on Tue Apr-12-05 08:17 PM by TayTay
From the Newsweek book: Page 135.

The campaign was in Missouri.

"On Sept 9 Alex Kerry traveled there with her father. At a Kerry rally she decided to try and find out what 'real people' thought by asking a few of them. A group of Democratic voters didn't recognize her. Encouraged by her anonymity, she crossed the street to talk to some Republican protesters. 'We know who you are,' one of them spat out. Others began shouting that her father was a 'baby killer.' Shocked by their vehemence, she went to find her father, who quickly saw how upset his daughter had become. He cleared the room of aides. Alex dissolved in tears. 'What if they steal the election?' she cried. 'We're not going to let that happen,' Kerry tried to reassure her."

Maybe Kerry might have slipped up in some things. He is a human being, as capable of error as any of the rest of us. But I sincerely doubt that he would have done anything to disappont his own daughter. Nothing, not stupid 'Skull and Bones' or stupid spineless comments or any of the other bullshit that passes for a faint whiff of intelligence in any of the DU debates is going to change the fact that he had to face his own daughter and tell her that he did everything he could. Nothing. He had to answer to her. I believe he did everything he could to make sure that the answer was an honest one. Otherwise, I should think it would have been that one tear-stained face that haunted his dreams above all else.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 11:43 PM
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8. That made me cry
Telling her to her face that her father is a baby killer. Are these people crazy?

Tay, do you think Kerry believes in the fraud. I know this has been asked before on DU, but you have a unique perspective.

He obviously believes there was suppression and dirty tricks, or he wouldn't be speaking out on those. I'm not so sure he believes that the electronic votes were literally flipped from Kerry to Bush. I wonder if he believes the exit polls were wrong, or suspects they were right and he was robbed.

But I'm with you. He's not Superman. I think he did his best, but he was up against some people who were NOT losing this election, no matter what it took. I don't think losing was in their cards at all. I wouldn't be surprised if daddy bailed him out one more time.

But I still wonder how much Kerry knows.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:55 AM
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14. I believe he knows there was fraud
However, I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to present to a jury. The expert witnesses would be presenting a case that is too complicated for a jury to understand. (It would be full of statistics and charts of numbers. While this may be proof to people who understand such things, it looks like spaghetti strands to everyone else.)

Senator Kerry has not dropped the election fraud thing from his speeches. He could have, rather easily. There was no innate reason to include this in the speech on Sunday that I saw. The reason for that forum was to celebrate the essays of school children. Kerry could very easily have written a standard, "Aren't you kids great!" speech full of easy platitudes. But he didn't. He made a rather difficult speech with rather difficult concepts in it that directly challenged his audience to take action. (This was not a speech full of warm platitudes. It is not my impression, rightly or wrongly, that the Senator feels a lot of light and warmth at the moment in the political world.) The last action item in his list was election fraud. I do not think that someone as careful in his speech as John Kerry would have put that in as a mere publicity stunt. He knows something went wrong and that there were strange things done in the Midnight Sun of Ohio and other spots.

The thing is to prove it. Every time he brings it up he runs the risk of looking like a sore loser. It is my impression, and I could be wrong so easily, that the stakes get higher and higher each time he brings it up. This is because bringing it up at all begs the question, What are you going to do about it? He must, at some point in time, show what he's got to back this up. What is your proof? In the case of the long lines and the pamphlets that steered voters to the wrong precincts and wrong days and so forth, there is easy proof. But where is the rest of it? If he has it, then is it being vetted? Will it be shown? What is the logical end of this sequence of events? Why bring this up, five months after the election? Is it to repair ties with minority voters or is there a goal for these speeches?

What do you think?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 09:26 PM
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5. This world lost a great American president to soulless killers and thieves
and there isn't a nation out there that doesn't know it.

Bush needed to exercise control over most of the media and voting machines to defeat us. We had the people and the truth. Unfortunately, the media would never share that truth.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:15 PM
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21. I think you're right about the rest of the world
They had a lot more coverage of the fraud issues than we did here, where the media bent over backwards to not convey even a whisper about fraud. I think they can distinguish between the American people, who were duped or cheated, and the administration.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 10:36 PM
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22. Yep its not just that we lost the presidency blm, we lost a great chance
Kerry was to me at least was one of the best men run for president in recent years. It is regrettable that he may never get to be president because he really is one of our best, and I know if he runs in 2008, he faces an up hill battle, god how I hope our next nominee if its not Kerry will be near as good as him, I will support who ever with great ethuauism and defend them from bs attacks from both left and right but I will want to cast my first vote for John Kerry.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 12:37 AM
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23. So sad the Dems believe in having only one chance at winning
Edited on Thu Apr-14-05 12:38 AM by politicasista
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 10:25 PM
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6. it has to do with 2008
they want whoever they support to win. and since it's possible Kerry might run again anytime he does something positive they get worried it might get him support.

that's why i think a lot of this crap started up again after he did great at the Bolton hearings. it was like during the primaries where for a while many wrote him off and his campaigned was considered over. but when he won in Iowa the skull and bones and other crap started up again.



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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-05 11:07 PM
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7. B I N G O
Kerry is doing great things -- and those who never liked him or never supported him cannot stand that he just didn't go into hiding.

Personally I don't know what 2008 will hold, but JK is a man who has always fought for us.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 12:31 AM
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10. Nice post John
:yourock:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:37 PM
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16. Thank you
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:51 AM
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11. Go JohnKleeb!
JK is an inspiration.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:37 PM
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17. Thanks
He really is.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 04:01 AM
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12. I would love to add more here
but for some messed up personal reasons (I know, what timing, right?) I can't. Exept to post: Yay! Lets us Kerry supporters stay vigilant, and hopeful and continue to try and persuade those who have not yet seen his greatness. It's as important as anything.
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foreverdem Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 06:48 AM
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13. Great Post JohnKleeb
I couldn't have said it better myself!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 01:37 PM
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18. Thank you
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Siyahamba Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 02:38 PM
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19. I couldn't have put it better myself.
Bravo. John Kerry not liberal? He's been fighting for progressive causes for longer than most of his detractors' lives.
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