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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:19 PM
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Odd Obit: John Kerry's Uncle passed away.
AHm, I have no idea what to make of this. Read it.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050521/ap_on_re_eu/obit_forbes_1

Ahm, well, everybody has those kinds of relatives.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:43 PM
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1. Here is a bit
Edited on Sat May-21-05 08:43 PM by fedupinBushcountry
of the Telegraph Obit. Need to sign up to read.

Alastair Cameron Forbes was born in Surrey on May 2 1918, and held a British passport although he sprang from an American family. He was the third son (in a family of 11) of James Grant Forbes, who had been born in China. The Forbeses were cousins of the Roosevelts, and one of Alastair's sisters was to become the mother of Senator John Kerry.

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His natural curiosity and retentive memory meant that he was the guardian of many secrets - often about matters of paternity - which were sometimes shared with other interested parties: "Ah," he could be heard booming as he arrived at a society wedding, "how nice to see the biological uncle of the bride here today!"

Forbes was a handsome man and enjoyed a number of love affairs, boasting that, thanks to his ministrations, at least one of the Queen's maids of honour at the Coronation was not a maid in the accepted sense of the word. He was frequently dismissed from lunch tables, and viewed the early train home on a Sunday morning after upsetting his hostess as an occupational hazard.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:02 PM
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2. Oh dear Lord in Heaven
Edited on Sat May-21-05 09:03 PM by TayTay
I HAVE to get these Obits on Monday when I get back to work. He sounds like an interesting man. This is great stuff! I wonder how well Sen. Kerry knew him. (I know the Senator was in London last week for a family wedding, wonder if stories were passed around about this particular Uncle?)
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:11 PM
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3. Very interesting indeed
I was trying to find a photo of him, but not lucky so far. I don't know how I missed that John Kerry was related to FDR. That is a new one on me.

Here is another one:

Forbes was of American stock, being the third son of James Grant Forbes, of Boston, Massachusetts. Ali was proud to belong to that Bostonian aristocracy where "the Lowells speak only to Cabots, and the Cabots speak only to God". (Robert Lowell and his wives were all, naturally, close friends.) John Kerry, the failed Democratic presidential candidate, is the son of Ali Forbes's sister. Forbes himself liked to speak of "my coz FDR" and he claimed, probably correctly, to have a close friendship with John F. Kennedy, based on shared liberal values and a voracious, and successful, taste for women.

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/obituaries/story.jsp?story=640105
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 04:31 PM
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9. family traits?
"...His natural curiosity and retentive memory...Forbes was a handsome man..." Runs in the family I guess!

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:52 AM
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4. Interesting. Sounds like quite a character!
London Times

Alastair Forbes
May 2, 1918 - May 19, 2005
Mischievous and well-connected book reviewer whose indiscretions led to many entertaining rows
ALI FORBES was for some years a journalist but he was better known as a man about town (and country houses), and in the latter part of his life as an amusing, gossipy and mischievous book reviewer.

His father, James Grant Forbes, was a lawyer from a well-known Boston family, while his mother was a Boston Winthrop, a strict woman who did not hesitate to use a bamboo cane on her ten children. They were an Anglophile family, often coming across to this side of the Atlantic....

...Reviewing the memoirs of Margaret Duchess of Argyll, for instance, he declared that “her father may have been able to give her some fine earrings, but nothing to put between them”. Reviewing a book on Jackie Kennedy, he revealed how “her much prettier sister Lee” had tried to seduce him: “I stuffily rejected her advances . . . I even telephoned her husband for advice on how to escape from a locked bedroom, her sexual ultimatum.” Literary editors had constantly to decide whether his interesting remarks were not too much in bad taste or, indeed, too libellous to print...

...He was involved in a good deal of litigation and public quarrels over his writing. In 1977, he wrung an apology out of the Evening Standard for a comment that newspaper had made on a review of a biography of Unity Mitford which he had written for the TLS. In 1980, Dame Rebecca West sued The Spectator for libel over a review he had written of her book Black Lamb and Grey Falcon; she won damages and apologies. In 1985, when The Spectator published a profile of him, he wrote a 20-page letter correcting its alleged errors — the longest letter the magazine has ever printed. In 1988, when a reviewer in The Sunday Times wrote that an unpleasant character in a John Mortimer novel was based on Ali, he won an action against them. On this occasion, it was said by the press (and, without doubt, said by Ali) that Lord Wyatt of Weeford, Lord Jenkins of Hillhead, Lord Annan, Nicholas Soames and Clare Asquith were all ready to go into the witness-box on his behalf. Not long afterwards, a comment in poor taste he made in The Spectator diary about Sir Peregrine Worsthorne and his late wife led to a serious breach between Worsthorne and Dominic Lawson, then Editor of The Spectator.

Ali himself considered that when he committed offences like these he was being no more than a tease and he was certainly often able to charm people whom he had upset into forgiving him. (He was also no slouch at keeping his plate warm in the few surviving English great houses like Chatsworth.)

In his later years, his world-weary geniality was strangely invigorating. He was very fond of children, regarding his many nieces as “chums”, and was especially devoted to his granddaughter — in fact, he once said he “felt his manqué vocation had been less that of a writer than of a paediatrician or a nanny”.

He is survived by his son.

Alastair Forbes, writer and reviewer, was born on May 2, 1918. He died on May 19, 2005, aged 87.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:52 PM
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5. Sounds like an interesting guy
It sounds like he needed some of his nephew's sense of duty, commitment to make things better, morality, seriousness, politeness and reserve. - But they share great intelligence, ability to remember huge amounts of information, good looks, and charm. He actually seems like an upper class charming scoundrel character in an Edith Wharton or British novel from 100 years ago.





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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:55 PM
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6. He does, doesn't he!
Still, if there were any family gatherings that fostered good story telling moments, but this guy came up a lot. We all have relavites who are more 'colorful' than others. This might be one of 'em for the Forbes family.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 02:05 PM
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7. I would imagine so
I have a feeling the family as a whole may prefer, JK as their public image! Although I can imagine the sides the nieces and nephews saw of him when they were younger may have been such that he was lots of fun, but certain things were "editted out".

If Kerry would have won, I would bet someone would have chosen to research and write about that extended family (or clan). Unless JK and this uncle were complete exceptions, it would probably be fascinating.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 02:36 PM
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8. Funny.
I was just out buying a graduation present and came across a copy of Cecil Beaton's memoir of his life in the 60's. On a whim, I opened the index and noted four references to this "charming scoundrel" (great description!)

He certainly moved in interesting (and elevated) circles!
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