So, now we are accused of being racist because when we were defending

Kerry, we did not tout the CBC.

If anything, I consider that it is Miller and people like him who do not recognize the role of the CBC when they say that Kerry is the only one who can lead the fight.

But There were also problems in some Democratic districts last year. (Apostasy, I know.) It's not just the other guys who get it wrong sometimes.

John Conyers specifically did not use the words fraud or stolen in his remarks aobut the elctoral college challenge this year. This is because Rep Conyers is a brilliant man who knows that it would have done nothing.

This is now a legal case that will drag on for years. It is also a case for grassroots activism, such as what we are seeing in Ohio. It will not be solved by this Congress.

BTW, playing the race card is a despicable thing to do. It is a disgusting charge without merit that is needlessly divisive. We all work together to achieve a common goal. That is uncalled for.

He's awesome! And he's too smart to come off sounding like a conspiracy nut.

Playing the race card is despicable, which is why I think it is Republican generated BS. I won't even respond to that. It isn't worth dignifying.

As for the race card, did we see any prominent Republicans at the funeral for Rosa Parks? Where was the President? The speakers were Democrats!

I love Rep. Conyers and followed his work on election fraud and other issues meticulously since the election: not even he felt safe enough to use the term "stolen" when describing what happened. Obvious trap and he sidestepped it along with JK (and many, many others).

but because I am starting to believe that we have Repugs here instigating this crap. It is exactly what they do best and if they feel they still need to do this, it is because they feel Senator Kerry is still a threat.

And he certainly is. The causes and candidates he's been promoting (although this mostly goes undetected by the populace at large) is obviously being noticed. He's a still a little too popular and a little too successful. It seems that every time John Kerry campaigns for a Democrat, that Democrat beats a Republican.

Another reason they are targeting him here is because the only people who respond to their reasoning against John Kerry are our very own Democratic Wing Nuts. Both wings have their nuts, unfortunately. It brings DU down in general when the nutballs come out and make ridiculous statements like they have been lately. This discredits Senator Kerry's actual popularity and it also discredits Democrats in general.

They are doing EXACTLY what they did at the Baines rally in Manchester. There was a private gathering of Baines supporters and they staked out the street on the opposite side of the Dem HQ to create controversy. The made annoying calls and then accused a Baines supporter of sexual harassment. (My guess is supporters got fed up and told them to go away and in the process there was a heated exchange where someone called someone a b*tch. It was probably something as silly as this.) The Repugs got what they wanted though: controversy. And the fact that the Freeper site picked it up points out that they are following the race. Why? The mayoral race is not a partisan race. It has been turned into one though. Dems, Kerry in particular, are supporting Baines. They don't like this at all, not one bit.

With over 50K posts in this forum, we don't have to keep the fight on our soil. My suggestion: let's take the battle right to them, on their own turf. You know what I mean. We could go to their place of business (we all know where) and get accounts. We start off sounding slightly right of Santorum. Then we start to nip at any of the Repub candidates that sound a little too (OMIGOD!) liberal.

Just a thought and it might be fun. They are already starting to break rank so this might just start a war over there. Of course, you get kicked out if you say anything rational, so put your brains on hold and pretend you are a psycho, war pig.

The right wing base HATES McCain. McCain is to Republicans what Lieberman is to Democrats. I would be very surprised if he got the nomination in '08, unless the wingnuts decide to stay home (unlikely) or there are 3 wingnuts that split the votes, and McCain runs away with a victory.

But after that gang of 14 thing came out to stop the Nuclear Option, I turned to Rush, and just sat and smiled for 10 minutes while he tore him to shreads, as a "traitor" to the Republican party. You'd also love how much they HATED him last year, even as he campaigned for *, when he wouldn't repeat the official talking points of the GOP (like he wouldn't say Kerry was unqualified to be CIC). I find this all interesting since Kerry supporter Dems like yourselves also hate him with a passion. Now that I am typing all of this, I realize that McCain really has NO chance in '08, and is simply living in a media honeymoon existence that will dissipate as soon as primary season starts. The Right Wing Noise Machine, unless directed otherwise, is NOT going to prop up McCain, unless he, for example, backs down on the torture amendment which he's not going to. And when push comes to shove, Dems will learn that McCain is a real conservative and simply incompatible with their values.

So if we were to become trolls, who would we go after? Who is the John Kerry of the Republican party (think with their evil minds for a moment)? George Allen? Santorum? Romney? Hmm . . . now I'm going to have fun.

Comparisons:

Feingold . . . Allen
Boxer . . . Santorum
McCain . . . Lieberman
Kerry (the early years) . . . Coleman (after all he's a freshman senator "investigating" UN Food for Oil scandal)
Kennedy . . . Stevens (Alaska)
Romney . . . Mark Warner (gov. VA)

Oh, I can't think of anyone else. Now remember, the comparison is the Republican represents an evil opposite of the other, just so nobody thinks Kerry and Coleman have anything in common. Who is Kerry the good version of as far as the second half of his Senate career? Nothing comes to mind . . . Not Hagel, because this senator has to be the polar opposite of Kerry. Doing evil as Kerry does good.

He and Kerry did great work for a number of years. It was a partnership that was good for America. I was very sorry to see the problems last year.It wasn't just the possible end of a friendship, it was bad for the country.

I was very happy to see him sponsor and champion the anti-torture resolution in the Senate. But I just don't trust the guy anymore. But I don't hate 'em.

The threat from the right is going to come from a slight shift to the middle. Prediction: neoconservatives will have to go underground or at least cloak their true motives for the 2008 elections because 2006 is going to hit them hard.

The biggest Republican threat will come from someone well-respected by the right but palatable to the middle. For example, Lindsey Graham is someone to watch in future months/years as a potential threat. He's got a subtle charm, a keen intelligence and a rational demeanor that makes him less abrasive to moderates. But he's got conservative roots that run deep into the soil of the south. I'm not saying he will run for President, just that someone like him is far more dangerous than a McCain (who creates controversy on both sides) or an Allen.

As for trolling, instead of targeting an individual, I think it would be a whole lot more successful to infiltrate as little Coulters and Rushes and speak out against any rational thought or bipartisan voting on the part of any Republicans in Congress.

Hey, it is fun in any case. I pretend I am my neocon brother and I even use his name.

:evilgrin:

He also was out there when torture was first raised as an issue. His position on it was nearly immediate and he used his past as a JAG officer as a platform from which to speak - before most Democrats ever did. I was very impressed by his logic, articulateness, and his charm.

I have no interest being a troll. I just can't do it.

more like covert operative.

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is too weak. I think that Coleman would be better paired with any of the Senators who ran the Iran/Contra hearing. They, like he, were more grandstanding than investigating sacred cow organizations of the other side, where their motives were more political agenda rather than seeking truth.

Kerry is actually very hard to pair - he's very multifaceted. An eloquent spokesman who transcended politics, an investigator willing to investigate his own people if needed. His political philosophy is in his party's (center to extreme). After many bizarre attempts Goldwater, for one, I think the best pairing I can make is McCain. Unfortuately, McCain/Lieberman works too.

-Both came into politics after with stories that were ledgendary and had a moral power to their own side. Kerry as the young vet fearlessly speaking truth to power, McCain as a noble POW refusing to accept freedom before his turn. (Neither could ever have been a plain vanilla member of their party.)

-In a group of Senators, figuratively, it's like they are in colour while everyone else is in black and white.

-Kerry's positions are basically liberal Democrat - but he is not an ideologue; McCain's are basically conservative - he is not an ideologue. Both are willing to stand apart from their party when their believes dictate. (Even when McCain has been a "maverick", it's often been on issues where the administration (not McCain) differs from conservative values.)

- McCain is hated by the freepers of his party because he (at least in the past) won't bow down to them. Kerry even as a 27 yr old anti-war hero had problems with the LW freepers when he refused to be their puppet.


This ignores their different roles in the Senate and the media treats them very differently.

To Beachmom: Having often knocked McCain, I was surprised that I found that there were mirror image type qualities. Also, unlike some comparisons - it's less good vs bad - then pulling the government in opposite directions based on their believe systems. An interesting exercise because I can see where McCain is coming from a bit more.

Some of it is the usual suspects, others really have to be disruptors. When they start claiming basically that Kerry is a republican, you gotta wonder.

Now they are not only attacking John Kerry, but his supporters as well. It's just gotten stupid and childish and makes Democratic Underground look bad. (I would be saying this if they were going after any Democrat or the supporters of any Democrat, by the way.) I saw a couple of threads in GD today that were just flame bait. Pure and simple.

watch the action. I want to know how the moderators determine what is appropriate and what is not. No one else seems to be allowed to criticize other Dem's, but Kerry is fair game. I think we need to get together as a group- a large donation paying group and register a complaint with the powers that be at DU. It's crazy that anything goes for Kerry and he isn't afforded the same respect as the other Dem's are.

I'd like to hear what they have to say on the matter.

If we fight we could lose what we have. I do agree with you though

there has been a change in mods?

It seems like some rules have gotten more strict - like for example US! We are not allowed to reference a thread in this group to alert each other of a Kerry bashing thread.

But at the same time, we are called monkey wrenches and brown shirts.

Something doesn't add up here.
Maybe the mods don't like Kerry?

officially or unoffically deemed a poor use of the DU site. They are clearly allowing many things which appear to violate the rules of the board. The things said personally about us individually or as a group absolutely violate the rules.

There are two issues:

Information posts on Kerry activities - under the rules, he is a Democrat and there should be not problem with this. They neither have to read them or post in them. It's hard to feel sorry for whiners who see a Kerry post where he IS DOING what they called for all Democrats to do, so they post whining that he didn't do something else, then whine because we "attack them". They started it. This begs the question what is their goal. The only conclusion is that they want to keep Kerry from getting a message out. (The problem is their flaming and our responses keeps the thread high and the op is read first! (In fact I think I will use a new decision rule - if the op is positive - I will join the fight, if negative I won't - hoping it will sink.


Many of the posts on Kerry repeat known lies or character assignations that cut to the core of his character, morality and integrity. Kerry has had a public career that is at least 30 years long - he has acted with integrity far beyond the norm. Since 1971, he has had enemies who have tried to destroy his reputation - his reaction has seemed to be to simply continue to being himself and to not let them win. Nixon genuinely wanted him destroyed 35 years ago, instead he was the Democratic nominee last year. His career is absolutely improbable.

There are no counterparts to the Kerry bashing posts for other candidates - even though there might be more reason behind it. Imagine posts HYPOTHESIZING that Clark was complicit in some of the ilegal Vietnam actions or did Clark aid the Contras? NOTE THIS IS NOT FACT BASED, IT IS AN EXAMPLE of something that actually has more probablity of being true that the lie posted at least once a week that Kerry was a plant and the goal was to throw the election. Also, note the Kerry charge is really far more serious.

Imagine how long a post would stay up asking why Dean favored a VT energy company (Green Mountain Energy) with ties to a Texas company owned by the Republicans who were close Bush allies who paid for attack ads in 2000? This is imflamatory, but is less a lie than the Kerry one.

My conclusion - I think our group is valuable. We may be at cross purposes with those in contrl. We want to promote Kerry, they want him to go away. I personally think that in terms of the country, they are cutting off their noses to spite their face. They don't want to follow any action if it is Kerry leading. Realisticly, the rules will likely never be enforced as written when Kerry is the subject. (and honesty is ignored: I am also sick of various posts saying that Kerry is less liberal than Clark, Dean, Gore, and Edwards.)

For some of them< their theme song may be these lines from I'll Cry instead by the Beatles :

I've got a chip on my shoulder that's bigger than my feet, I
Can't talk to people that I meet. If I could see you now,
I'd try to make you sad somehow, but I can't so I cry instead

that there are groups for supporters of lots of Democrats.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5291479

I don't know that the folks who have been posting this anti-Kerry / anti-Kerry supporter crap are supporters of any particular person, but if they are, maybe they should use their energy being productive within their own group instead of bashing others. I don't know if anyone actually read my post, and if so I don't know that they caught my drift, but I tried.

I like your thought Karyn about only responding to the threads where the OP was generally positive in nature. It's not like we are going to change any of these folk' minds by using logic, reason or facts. They are waaaaay beyond that.

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So we have to be careful not to generalize.
I was shocked by him (her?), BTW.
That said, I can't believe some of this stuff is permitted. I lost it yesterday, but really, a person can only be pushed so far without pushing back.

And I think in most instances, it's not that the mods are biased against Kerry so much as they are afraid of incurring the wrath of those diabolical unhinged nutjobs, who you KNOW would scream to the high heavens that they are being "censored" and pm Skinner 1000 times about DU being a "Kerry apologist site" and whatever other crap they wanted to come up with.

So I do appreciate the Catch-22 they are caught in - to an extent. IMO, the current situation has degenerated far enough that if they don't stand up to the lefty loony faction now, they will be powerless to stop them from taking over the site entirely and turning into Green Underground - in the event that the bashers are actual lefties - or BashDemocratsUnderground, in the even that the posters are RW trolls (many of whom I suspect are).

I do appreciate the work the admins and mods do, and I know I don't have the time or patience for it. New rules aren't needed- just enforce the existing ones, is all I ask. But they need to draw a line because it's getting dangeously out of hand.

"This far - and NO FARTHER!" (this quote brought to you from a Star Trek: First Contact nerd).

I was thinking on my way home from work today, what Skinner would do if all that was left of his wonderful site was 10 angry Greens, having chased everyone else away with their hate.
Nothing against Greens, mind you, unless they're Dem bashers.
It's not just here, though. Left wing radio does it's share of Dem bashing. I heard Bill Press this morning call Sen Kerry a wuss (or was it a wimp?). I am crafting my e-mail to him as soon as I post this.
I honestly don't understand why we eat our own. We should criticize the actions of Dem leaders when they're wrong. And we should recognize their actions when they're right. But when we make personal attacks, we're no better than the other side.
Why is that so difficult? And to your point, why is it permitted on a liberal forum?

I hate it when they just bash because they think it will get them listeners. I'm sad about Bill Press, I used to have some respect for him. I just don't understand why he felt a need to attack JK.
Is all of this bashing coming from JK losing the election?
I know one thing, I don't want these jerks picking out our next president. I would like to know who they consider worthy of consideration.

I will post in a separate thread.

You can write to him from his site, billpress.com

My email was: (I won't post his because it's not polite to do so.)

Thank you for reviewing this. It's your site and you can do
>what you want. I hope you can see why those of us in the Kerry
>group have felt that he is treated unfairly. You say it is one
>of the stupidest things ever posted here. But the stupidity is
>not the issue, it even goes beyond politics to critisize
>Kerry's morality, his values and his character. I honestly
>don't think comments that would with no basis cut a favored
>politician (Dean, Clark or now Gore) to the core of who they
>are would be allowed. In my case, I think that means I should
>just stay in the comfy little Kerry group provided where (I
>think)only legally sane people are allowed.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------

He then said he and some moderators were talking about it - it was never deleted.

Keeping them out there just makes DU look bad. This kind of animosity only masks what our true values are. We look like a bunch of backstabbers and that is not what being liberal or being a Democrats is all about.

At least we used to be about fairness, kindness and unity. One for all and all for one. I don't think I've seen a true Kerry supporter ever attack other Dems. Sure there are mistakes that have been made by all of them. But do we go into GD and trash Howard Dean, Biden, Clinton (either one) or any other Dems. Heck, not a one of them walks on water, but I personally love them all!

Just curious: has anyone here ever visited http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org ? I used to like the site but I haven't been thee since March (until today that is) and I have no idea what it is like now.

The reason I'm looking for input is that they seem to be really tough on negativity. For example, they posted the letter from Teresa Heinz Kerry with the following warning:

"I will leave this topic open to replies, but will warn ahead of time that this is not the place for any negativity. If you can't make a positive comment, put your comment in another thread.

Thank you."

No worries.

and damn it I just kicked one of them. . .

SO GLAD I MISSED THE ONE YOU ARE REFERRING TO.

and the two same people are still bashing Kerry and misrepresentating his positions (particularly about gay marriage and civil unions).

He is not against full rights for gay couples, he is against calling that marriage. He is wrong, IMHO, but this is not the same thing and they are not bashing the other people who have the same position or worse.

his/her worse problem when it comes to marriage.

this post. It's sad it is still not locked.

But if the mods are going to delete posts in here, then why not attend to posts that have been alerted on numerous times in GD? There is a thread still active in GD which its OP has requested numerous times to lock. It is still open. Yet posts in here get deleted. I'm sorry but it's all very suspicious to me.

I doubt anyone here would have a problem with a reasonable discussion on this. Any lurkers coming over and alerting - are not coming over in accordance with the mission of this group (to support Kerry). I wonder if they'll lock the whole thread.

The op wanted it locked and they won't?

Then when he started getting crap for it, had second thoughts and has apologized for his rudeness. He told me in a pm that he is sorry for the offense and has alerted his thread twice attempting to get it locked, but it's still open the last time I looked. I have seen plenty of threads locked at the OP's discretion - since it IS his thread, he should have a choice to lock it. I have no idea why he is being ignored.

EDIT: It got locked, so thanks mods.

are still on GDP.

I am tired to be insulted because I like Kerry. I am wondering more and more if Kerry's supporters are welcome here.

trying to run us off. Not necessarily all the moderators,but other posters. It almost seems like they are trying their darnedest to discourage us. Well, if that's it, I will not be discouraged nor quite.

They want us to leave so they have no competition. Kerry outclasses their candidates and they view him as competition. What's weird is when they feel the need to assign their views to their candidate - even when it's at variance with the public comments of their candidate. That's interesting because it means they are in denial - can this last 3 years? Or will they pass to the next step - anger.

I thought the various people - defending Kerry (with his 100% record) on gay rights, while saying they disagree with him on calling it marriage - should demonstrate political maturity to them. You can disagree on even an important issue - as long as you see it as honest and that the position is not so far away as to be a no-go issue.

ideas and not these stupid fantasies about 08 and all that. Unfortunately, I have not found any (I know some of you have their own blog, but a blog does not really allow discussions on various topic).

I used to post on CommonGroundCommonCause but they really let it go in all directions and I stopped going.

If I am trying to find people to discuss with, the last thing I want is to have 30 threads concerning Kerry, or Clark, or Dean, ... .

Do you know forums who actually have traffic and focus on issues and not blind adoration or blind hatred. This week-end may have been the end for me. I realized the problem was not so much Kerry (it is only a symptom) than the fact many of these people think they know everything and that they are never wrong, even when they dont have the slightest idea of what they are talking about.

But I can't say I haven't wondered the very same thing. I stay because the discussion in the Kerry forum is very open and stimulating.

subjects I'd like to discuss that dont have any relation with Kerry (some where even I disagree with him).

The problem is that, if you start discussing them on GDP, it immediately becomes personnalized rather than sticking to the issue (there are too many people there who cant have a discussion, but make it immediately an argument and begin attacking).

topics too.I can't stand Kos, it seems like a mob of testosterone driven,loud mouthed, heavy breathers, if you know what I mean. I would certainly consider leaving he=re if another good site came about.

Firespirit, I think, has a forum.

But no, I don't know of any forum that doesn't end up a scattered mess eventually. The problem is the nature of the internet. Some just repeat talking points and will never change. And I swear there are paid RNC moles. It's hard to differentiate them and really, I think DU does as good a job as any.

And that site is not google searchable.

I have that link. Not google searchable is a huge plus. :-)

Pro-Kerry.

Instead of donating our money to DU, we could donate $ elsewhere.

Anybody have any computer skills, or will Firespirits forum work?
I don't need to stick around a site where we are insulted for actively supporting our favorite politician.

And it really bothers me that we can be subject of name calling, yet we are not allowed to refer to another thread.

DU is not going anywhere, it is not condusive to helping the democratic party, infact, it is hurting the party. It is causing dems to become more divided, instead of united.

I want to find a forum where it is a positive, proactive place.
Where people can work together to promote a positive message for this party.

I left cgcs for the same reason. One person always tried to boss everyone around, set the mood based on her moods - it was nauseating, and another would argue with everyone constantly.
Somewhere there has to be a forum where people actually have a positive attitude, like we do here in this group. Yes, sometimes we get negative, but we discuss and work thru things.

I come to du for 2 things -
1. This group
2. the news of the day

I could get the news of the day from any forum.

If we all went and posted our daily chatting and news and analysis there. Also, Democracy Cell Project - isn't that a pretty pro-Kerry forum? Correct me if I'm wrong.

is one of the 503 or 527 groups, something like that. They cannot specifically talk about any one certain candidate. They are pro-Dem, but can't over comment on any one Dem due to them being a 5 whatever number it is group.

Democratic Daily is very good, keeps you up to date on Kerry and has a lot of other topics about everything that is happening. I think Sandsea has still got LUTD, but I don't see her link to it anymore.

One thing I would like to say is, I know we have to donate to belong to this group, but heck it only cost me $10., it was worth every penny to be able to have a conversation with open minds and common sense adults.

Also, IMO you are giving in to those that seek to destroy Kerry if you leave DU. But I also think it would be a good idea if we did confront the problem by writing a Kerry forum concern letter to Skinner. I don't know how we could do that maybe by PM'ing each other with our thoughts and then deciding which one will format it, and we all agree to sign on.

Just my 2 cents.

:patriot:

be annihilated, we were called the monkey wrench gang, and brown shirts by members of our own party. Just because we support our candidate.
:shrug:

I think one of the reasons that this is such a strong group is because we stand behind our candidate 100% - and more. You don't see too much of that going on at du, other than us.

I don't want to have to defend Kerry all of the time to members of my own party. But I will. I don't want to fight with other liberals/progressives.
My fight is against the republicans.

The kind of forum I want to be on is where there is unity within the party. Where people talk about all of the great things that are happening in this party. Not to constantly hear "dems have no spine".
Yes there are things that should be discussed, but not to rip the dems to shreds. When Kerry does something praiseworthy, like his Georgetown speech, we should be able to post about it, and celebrate it, not have to defend him because of something he didn't do 1 year ago. Same goes for Reid, Pelosi, all of the dems. Good things are happening, and 2006 can be an exciting year. I want to go forward, I don't want to keep talking about the past mistakes. And I definitely don't want to be called names for believing in a great American.

I'm rambling - lol!

I know what you mean and those places are few and far between. I will say I think Democratic Daily is a good place to start, most of the people there are like minded and have good discussions and of course very pro Kerry. DCP is more a grassroots organization furthering issues in your own community and lots of good ideas and info, the crew on there are either former mods or Kerry supporters from the Kerry blog.

The internet is a great place and gives us lots of good things but with the good always comes some bad. The bad is trolls, they come in all shapes and forms and they don't just quit their trolling on political sites. There are a lot of weird people behind a keyboard and I think most of them in real life are cowards and bullies.

But the best thing about DU is this group.
We do have a good thing going here.
Lots of great discussions, and talent.
But when it comes to the rest of DU, I think I need a break.

as for the rest of DU, I usually check out LBN and take a glance at GD, I rarely go into GDP, I also go to the election 2004 forum, they have some great reads and TruthisAll is one of my favorite posters there.

Oh by the way do you know they have a new rule where you can tell another poster that you are putting them on your ignore list and why. I did that today, it felt really good, and the funny thing is that poster replied to me but I couldn't read what garbage he had to sling. If you use this new rule make sure you add that poster to your ignore list. I also ended my post with:

CLICK :nuke:

Made me feel like I put him in his place.

I also think it is important to keep Kerry's name out their circulating. We do bring in new people when they notice there is support here for him. I think there are a lot of people searching for that connection and we are here for them.
Hillary posts get bashed also. I think her group just about gave up with DU. They post once in a while and step back waiting for the "shit storm" to begin. We could all just stay in this forum, but that really isn't fair. Other's post positive things about their favorite Dem in the other forums, why not us. No, I think this needs to be discussed with Skinner in hopes of achieving a reasonable compromise.There is definitely a problem when their appears to be more than just one or two negative posts about JK.
What groups do you think are doing the postings. I don't think it is the Clark supporters. I not so sure about the others.

PS I also like the idea of perhaps an additional site that we can use.DU gets juvenile sometimes.

Worth checking out.

I always forget to link it when she posts it.

That way it's absolutely freep-proof and secret. I'm sure she'd be more than happy to pm you guys with it. (I don't have it handy btw.)

From my own experience...it is not a pro-Kerry forum although yes, some of the mods there were former Kerry blog mods. There are other former Kerry mods around at LUTD and The Democratic Daily, and those places are still very much pro-Kerry and pro-other postive, forward-moving Democrats.

doncha know.

If somebody's been forgetting to invite me to the well-oiled coordinating meeting I'm going to be mighty peeved.

Sigh.

Why is it so hard for folks to think that perhaps, just like Gore or Clark or Dean or whoever, Kerry has supporters too.

Where's my paycheck? I'm a loyal minion, dammit!

and got on strike until we get our pay. Cheerleader Local 109, reporting for duty :patriot:

While the constant Kerry character assassination on DU is very, very disheartening, I have also seen so many people show up on Kerry threads to support him that I've never seen before, especially when someone posts a thread about how they're sick of the Kerry bashing. Supporters come out of the woodwork who are maybe too intimidated to defend him on a negative thread, or just don't want to give those a kick.

If the vocal and loyal Kerry supporters from this group let the small-minded troll losers (of whatever ilk) chase them off of DU, we'll be giving them exactly what they want. Don't think for a minute that those spineless, whining losers aren't right here reading this thread and everything in the Kerry Group looking for ways to get us where it hurts. They are childish, sick, sad little fucks, and we can't let these bullies win.

Please do not take the Kerry love elsewhere. :(

http://www.liberaloasis.com/

Not a blog, more like an analysis of where we stand. They are liberal, criticize sometimes Democrats when they disagree with what their strategy, but you dont get to read the usual insults and namecalling that are too frequent here.

"Do not use the DU Groups to whip up feelings of victimization or to complain about perceived mistreatment by the administrators, moderators, or members of Democratic Underground."

You have an ignore function. You have a hide thread function. If you don't like some of the things posted on DU, we have given you the tools to deal with them.