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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:31 AM
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So, what else went into that Defense Appropriations bill?
Warner (for Snowe/Kerry) Amendment No. 2531, to address research and development efforts for purposes of small business research.

Pages S12780-81

Warner (for Kerry) Amendment No. 2532, to clarify that the Small Business Administration has authority to provide disaster relief for small business concerns damaged by drought.

Page S12781

Warner (for Kerry) Modified Amendment No. 1500, to require a strategy and report by the Secretary of Defense regarding the impact on small businesses of the requirement to use radio frequency identifier technology.

Page S12779
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The pages mentioned refer to the Cogressional Record, wherein you can find some sort of explanation for this amendments. Nice work. (Now, which clone submitted these. Damn. And the Senator plans on going to Africa to deliver HIV/AIDS meds for vacation? I want what he's having, I mean, whatever it is that keeps up that amazing energy stream. Nice work here!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:35 AM
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1. Explanation of votes on Habeas Corpus
Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, last week I voted against an amendment introduced by Senator Graham, No. 2515, which stripped the Federal courts of their historic jurisdiction to hear applications for writs of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of detainees at Guantanamo Bay. I did so because the amendment would have eliminated virtually all judicial review of combatant detentions, including review of the decisions of military tribunals.

Today, I voted in favor of Senator Bingaman's amendment No. 2523, because it would have preserved judicial review in the most important areas while also preventing frivolous claims. When the Bingaman amendment failed, I voted for a second-degree amendment No. 2524, which reflected the hard work of Senator Levin to provide another means to preserve some form of judicial review of the proceedings at Guantanamo Bay. And, it is my understanding that, as Senator Levin stated on the floor of the Senate just yesterday, ``this amendment will not strip courts of jurisdiction over cases.''

The war on terror presents us with challenges unique in our Nation's history, requiring solutions that are sustainable over the long-term. We have little reason to trust the administration's record on this score. But with these provisions, the Senate declares it is our priority to prosecute the war on terror with every tool at the country's disposal including the rule of law. It remains my priority, and I know the priority of my colleagues, to win this war, to hunt down and destroy terrorists wherever they are, destroy their networks, and make our world safe.

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And hey, that Habeas Corpus re-write could have been worse:

Congressional Record, again, for 11/15/05

Mr. GRAHAM. Mr. President, this is a serious and very important vote. During the debate last week, I made a statement about what rights our troops would have. Our troops, once they are charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, get appeal rights under the military system, and they do have habeas rights about their criminal misconduct.

What I am trying to say--I got it wrong--is when our troops are enemy prisoners there is no right to appeal to


the civil courts wherever they may be, nor has there ever been a right for an enemy prisoner to go to our court. Senator Kerry gave me some good advice. I misstated, and I am sorry. But the concept of an enemy prisoner or enemy combatant not having access to civilian courts has been the tradition of 200 years. We are about to end this whole endeavor on a high note. I thank Senator Kyl for being a very constructive finder of solutions, and I thank Senator Levin for going that extra mile to find a way we can leave this issue with honor.

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:29 AM
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7. hah.
Good advice? From Senator Kerry? Anyone have audio on that? I'd like to hear it played on a loop all over radio and tv.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:25 PM
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10. Lindsey Graham is the new John McCain.
He's going to give credit to Democrats and he's going to appear reasonable and he's going to get a surge in popularity. He's a very smart and a very dangerous Republican. McCain has become the punch line of his own joke and he is not liked by many conservatives. Graham, however, is someone who can out-McCain McCain and still retain support of his base. The more reasonable he seems, the more he worries me.

But it is nice to hear him say that he got good advice from Senator Kerry.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:27 PM
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11. Oh, I agree.
He is dangerous. He nearly shot himself in the foot with that habeas corpus thing, but scrambled to recover. He's one to keep an eye on. Slippery.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:52 AM
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2. Explanation of the vote on the Warner amendment


Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I want to speak in support of the important amendment on Iraq offered by my colleague Senator Levin. I am pleased to have worked with many of my Democratic colleagues on this amendment and to be an original cosponsor.

Mr. President, 2006 will be the pivotal year in determining whether we can successfully complete our mission in Iraq and bring our troops home in a reasonable amount of time. As we enter this make or break period, the

GPO's PDF

administration must finally adopt a realistic, clear, and comprehensive strategy.

This Democratic amendment lays out many of the principles that should guide that strategy, including using all of our diplomatic, military, political and economic leverage to defeat the insurgency, getting greater international support for the reconstruction effort, strengthening the capacity of Iraq's governing ministries, and training Iraqi security forces. And it requires the administration to regularly report back to Congress and the American public on the status of implementing the measures necessary to complete the mission.

As we know from painful experience, no President can sustain a war without the support of the American people. In the case of Iraq, their patience is frayed nearly to the breaking point because Americans who care deeply about their country will not tolerate our troops giving their lives without a clear strategy, and will not tolerate vague platitudes when real answers are needed.

The Democratic amendment addresses that by calling on the administration to give Congress and the American public a target schedule for achieving the conditions that will allow for the phased redeployment of U.S. troops, the status of efforts meet that schedule, and the estimated dates for such redeployment.

Let's be very clear on this point: the Democratic amendment does not call for setting any arbitrary deadlines for withdrawal of U.S. troops. It envisions redeployment of U.S. forces as conditions allow. But it rejects the administration's hollow, vague declaration to just ``stay as long as it takes'' by calling on the administration to give target dates and regular updates on reaching those conditions.

For far too long, Congress and the American public have been left in the dark when it comes to Iraq. We have repeatedly been asked by the administration to take their word that they have a strategy for success, without being given any sense of what that is or when our troops will be home. It is past time for Congress and the American people to be fully informed about what our strategy is, the progress that is being made in implementing it, and when we might expect to see our troops redeployed. That is what the Levin amendment will do.

While the Democratic amendment and the Republican amendment offered by Senators Warner and Frist are a wakeup call to the Bush administration that there is an overwhelming bipartisan majority with deep concerns about the administration's aimless course in Iraq, I will not support the Warner-Frist amendment because it stripped out two of the key provisions of the Democratic amendment. The first is the sense of the Senate that America should let the Iraqi people know that we will not stay in Iraq indefinitely, which will send an important message about our intentions while reducing the sense of U.S. occupation. The second is the requirement that the administration provide a report to Congress that includes estimated dates for the redeployment of U.S. troops as specific conditions are met, which is necessary to keep Congress and the American public informed about our progress towards the ultimate goal of finishing our mission and getting our troops home. These provisions are an essential part of a real strategy for success in Iraq. We owe our troops and the country nothing less.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:57 AM
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3. Support of CLRC (Civilian Linguist Reserv Corps) and comments on the bill
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 08:58 AM by Mass
This is a good read to know what Kerry thinks about the various provisions of the Defense Bill, including the Graham amendment and how it is bad though he voted for it.

And it is interesting to note that Kerry understands the need to communicate with other people in wartime. Probably his own experience as well as Teresa's one.



This bill also contains a provision I authored establishing the Civilian Linguist Reserve Corps, CLRC, pilot project. It became abundantly clear

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after the attacks of September 11, 2001, that the U.S. Government had a dearth of critical language skills. The 9/11 Commission report documented the disastrous consequences of this deficiency that, unfortunately, we still have not made enough progress in addressing 4 years after the 9/11 tragedy.

CLRC is designed to address the Government's critical language shortfall by creating a pool of people with advanced language skills that the Federal Government could call on to assist when needed. The National Security Education Program completed a feasibility study of CLRC and concluded that the concept was sound and ``an important step in addressing both short- and long-term shortfalls related to language assets in the national security community.'' It also recommended that a 3-year pilot project be conducted to work out any potential problems. My amendment establishes this pilot project. I want to thank the managers of the bill for working with me to include this worthwhile measure and thank Senator Coleman for cosponsoring my amendment.

I also want to thank the bill managers for continuing to work with me in assisting the families of injured servicemembers. I was pleased that Congress included my amendment on travel benefits for the family of injured servicemembers in the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief of 2005, P.L. 109-13. My amendment corrected a flaw in the law that unintentionally restricted the number of families of injured servicemembers that qualify for travel assistance. Too many families were being denied help in visiting their injured loved ones because the Army had not officially listed them as ``seriously injured,'' even though these men and women have been evacuated out of the combat zone to the United States for treatment. The change in the law now ensures that families of injured servicemembers evacuated to a U.S. hospital get at least one trip paid for so that these families can quickly reunite and begin recovering from the trauma they have experienced.

I introduced my amendment to this bill because the family travel provision in P.L. 109-13 was sunset at the end of the 2005 fiscal year by the conferees. I thank the Senate for adopting my amendment that will make the provision permanent.

The Senate also adopted an amendment I authored requiring the Department of Defense to report on the steps it is taking to clearly communicate the stop-loss policy to potential enlistees and re-enlistees. One of my constituents, a sergeant in the Army, wrote to me earlier this year articulating his frustration with the Army's stop-loss policy. He had been scheduled to be released from service prior to his unit's deployment to Iraq but the stop-loss order kept him in uniform making him feel that his service was completely unappreciated. Part of this sergeant's frustration and the frustration experienced by others who have been put under stop-loss orders stems from the fact that many don't know that the military can keep them beyond their contractual date of separation. They may find out about this policy only shortly before they are deployed to a war zone, as was the case with my constituent. This situation is simply unacceptable.

The sergeant who shared his story with me was killed in Iraq only days after he wrote his letter. With thousands of soldiers still on stop-loss, I am certain that similar tragic stories have played out many times over the last few years. The very least we owe those who volunteer to serve our Nation is full disclosure of the terms under which they are volunteering. My amendment includes a finding that states exactly that. I hope that, by pushing the Department to report on the actions it is taken to ensure that potential recruits know the terms of their service, the Department will take quick action to do just that. One good place for it to start would be to revise DOD Form 4/1, Enlistment/Reenlistment Document, the service contract new enlistees and reenlistees must sign to join the military. Form 4/1 does not currently include information that tells those joining the active component that they may be kept on stop-loss during partial mobilizations. The Department must immediately fix this flaw and take other steps to clearly communicate to our men and women in uniform the terms under which they are volunteering to serve.

Congress has a crucial role in defense oversight and I am disappointed that the Senate has again failed to adopt Senator Dorgan's amendment that would have created a Truman Committee to oversee our efforts in Iraq. This measure was a commonsense way to assure that we carry out our policies in the most effect way possible and not, as now, waste millions if not billions of taxpayer dollars. After all, our shared goal is to get needed resources to our troops and rebuilding efforts not to profiteers.

One measure the Senate adopted that should assist in our oversight responsibilities is my amendment requiring DOD to report on how it will address deficiencies related to key military equipment. According to a recent GAO report, DOD has not done a good job in replacing equipment that is being rapidly worn out due to the military's high operational tempo or even tracking its equipment needs. Military readiness has suffered as a result. My amendment requires DOD to submit a report in conjunction with the President's annual budget request that details DOD's program strategies and funding plans to ensure that DOD's budget decisions address these equipment deficiencies. Specifically, the Department must detail its plans to sustain and modernize key equipment systems until they are retired or replaced, report the costs associated with the sustainment and modernization of key equipment, and identify these funds in the Future Years Defense Program. Finally, if the Department chooses to delay or not fully fund their plan, it must describe the risks involved and the steps it is taking to mitigate those risks.

Although I am voting for the Department of Defense authorization bill, I am disappointed with the mixed messages that the Senate continues to send to the administration and the country on issues related to the detainees held at Guantanamo Bay. Even as the Senate passed the important McCain amendment on torture, the Senate also included in this bill the Graham amendment, which even as modified would still eliminate habeas review for detainees at Guantanamo Bay. The modification worked out by Senators Graham and Levin would provide detainees with only limited review in the DC Circuit of the procedures for determining whether they are enemy combatants and the procedures the military commissions used to try them. This is an improvement over the original amendment offered by Senator Graham, but it would not allow a court to review any claim that an individual detainee is not, in fact, an enemy combatant. I was very disappointed that this became part of this bill, although I am pleased with the amendment's ban on the use of evidence obtained by undue coercion. It is troubling that after 4 years of congressional acquiescence to the administration on this issue, it took a Supreme Court decision allowing habeas review for the Senate to take action. It is good that the Senate is finally paying attention to this issue, but this amendment is the wrong result. It sends the wrong message about this country's commitment to basic fundamental fairness and the rule of law.

I must also note with some disappointment that this bill continues the wasteful trend of spending billions of dollars on Cold War era weapons systems while at the same time not fully funding the needs of the military personnel fighting our current wars. I think the Senate missed some opportunities when it rejected amendments that could have made the bill better. However, on balance this legislation contains many good provisions for our men and women in uniform and their families and that is why I support it.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:30 AM
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5. OMG! That stop-loss story is heart-breaking
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 09:59 AM by TayTay
I think the soldier killed was:
2106
09/20/05 Raymond, Pierre A. Sergeant, 28 years old, U.S. Army Reserve
228th Forward Support Battalion, 28th Infantry Division
Hostile - hostile fire - mortar attack
Died: Landstuhl Reg. Med. Ctr.
From: Lawrence Massachusetts US

Plane passengers salute fallen war hero
Deseret Morning News, All, Sec. Wire, p A01 09-27-2005
By Boston Globe Adrienne P. Samuels


When Delta Flight 1880 landed late Saturday at Logan International Airport in Boston, the pilot went on the intercom to make a request of the passengers preparing to grab their carry-on bags: Sit for a moment and honor a fallen soldier.

"The pilot said, 'We have a hero on this flight and sadly, he isn't with us, but his mother is escorting his remains,' " said Barbara Bell, sister of Sgt. Pierre A. Raymond, 28, an Army reservist from Lawrence, Mass., who died Tuesday in Germany after being wounded in Iraq.

The normal bustle of an emptying airplane immediately ceased, she said.

"He went on to say that 'a sergeant from the Army is escorting them as well,' and then (the pilot) thanked him for doing what he did and for keeping us safe and free."

As Raymond's mother, Santina, got up to walk off the plane, her fellow passengers gave her a standing ovation.

"I was thankful that he was remembered like he was angel," said Santina Raymond, who spent Sunday at her Lawrence home preparing for her son's funeral on Wednesday. "He was a hero, so everybody cheered. It was wonderful. He was wonderful."

Pierre Raymond died from injuries sustained after a Sept. 15 attack near Ramadi, Iraq, where he was hit in the chest and neck with flying shrapnel while in his sleeping quarters. Immediately after he was wounded, Raymond was talking and even flirting with the nurses who treated him, said Bell, who lives in Palo Alto, Calif. But military doctors in Iraq couldn't stop the bleeding and sent Raymond to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany for emergency treatment, where he was kept alive until his family arrived.

"We were all flown out on military orders," said Bell, also a former reservist.

The family stayed at Raymond's side during his last hours.

"Pierre just had this capacity that very few people have. . . . This capacity for life," said Bell, 30. "Even as a kid, we don't have many family photos of him because he was always running in the park."

Bell said her brother joined the Army in 1998 and spent 13 months in Bosnia as a military mechanic. He was discharged in 2001, she said, and spent some time traveling before being called back in the National Guard to serve with the 228th Forward Support Battalion, 28th Infantry Division, which supported a Marine Expeditionary Force. Raymond was dispatched for retraining and arrived in Kuwait in June. He'd barely been in Iraq a week before he was wounded.

For two weeks prior, he called his mother nearly every morning at 6 a.m., Boston time, his sister said. "He'd even sent letters saying Kuwait was kind of boring," Bell said. "He was waiting to be attached to a unit."

Raymond went to high school in Salem High School in New Hampshire and attended Northern Essex Community College for a short time. He enjoyed fixing cars and joined the Army in part to use his skills as a mechanic. In Iraq, he was maintaining Bradley fighting vehicles.

A funeral Mass will be said at 10 a.m. Wednesday at St. Patrick Church in Lawrence.

Besides his mother and sister, Raymond leaves his father, David, of Londonderry, N.H.; and two brothers, Joseph, 26, and Alfio, 32.


It is very, very important that we put histories, faces and families and the pain they go through with these names. Their sacrifice for their nation is so unbelievable. I am so glad that Sen. Kerry noted this young man's complaint and his passing in the Senate. I greive with this family and post this to remember what the whole debate is really about.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:04 AM
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4. Mass: You realize this makes us irredeemably wonky now
We are actually posting long passages from the Congressional Record. The only place we can go from here is a policy institute where we get to converse, hobnob and hang out with our brother (and sister) wonks and speak wonkish unimpeded.

(Yeah, I posted this for a good reason, as did you. But I can still laugh at myself for being wonky. Somehow that seems to be the very essence of the Kerry group to me.)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:14 AM
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6. Thank you both for posting them
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 10:17 AM by karynnj
I agree that this is the essence of the Kerry group. Thanks to all of you who have posted informative stuff. Also, you have taught us that we can get stuff from Thomas and how to see or hear committee hearings.

These posts on the Defense bill remind me of Kerry's response to Dean in one of the primary debates that Kerry had written little legislation. Kerry talked about having written many things that were put into bills and that was how things were done in Congress. Here that exactly, what we're seeing.

Contrary to what the BG, some Democrats, and the Republicans want to believe, Senator Kerry is doing a lot of positive things.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:38 AM
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8. The media being
- most unfortunately - what it is, it seems there are no longer any shortcuts to this information.

When Kerry votes a certain way I never doubt he has good reasons for doing so. Still, it's good to know what his thinking is, behind his vote. So keep up the wonk. Please. :-)
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 11:57 AM
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9. question
Lindsey Graham got up and said that Sen. Kerry had reminded/advised him on some point about the troops and their ability to go to civil court--didn't quite catch the gist of that--anyone know? I had just seen him walk over to Graham on the Repub side and talk and wave his arms around like he does, then put a hand on Graham's shoulder and walk away.
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