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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:42 AM
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Scott Lehigh column in BGlobe 11/25/05 (Not bad.)
Truth, lies, and intelligence
By Scot Lehigh, Globe Columnist | November 25, 2005

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/11/25/truth_lies_and_intelligence/

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At a press availability later that day, US Senator John Kerry shied away from the term lie. ''I've never used that word," Kerry said. ''I've said they misled America. . . . They are still misleading America."

Certainly much that wouldn't necessarily fit the definition of a lie would undoubtedly fall into the category of a misleading, irresponsible, or reckless use of intelligence in pursuit of a predetermined conclusion. And of that, this administration is surely guilty.

The Massachusetts senator underscored this important point: The vice president was wrong in suggesting that Congress had access to the same intelligence as the administration.

''That is just plain flat not true," said Kerry, stepping through five instances where Congress hadn't been informed of intelligence agency doubts on key administration claims about Iraq.


This is actually a good article that it's hard to take excerpts from because the KErry quotes are sprinkled throughout. But the whole of the article suggests that Kery was listened to and his points on the misleading of America into war are starting to break through.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:59 AM
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1. That really is a nice article.
It's interesting that the person from the center uses the same reason in not using the word "lie". I'm curious as to whether this is coming from precise word usage, some legal source or even some philosophic source. I'm meaning "intent". The knowledge issue is obvious - I think all of us have explained to our kids that you can say something wrong becasue you thought it was right and you're wrong, but not lying. However, they seem to both talk of "intent"

I do think for anyone who would have seen any of the recent Kerry interviews, his way of concisely presenting it as a case has to be convincing. It's nice they are giving him credit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:38 AM
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2. Agree.
It does convey that Kerry is not going to let Dick off the hook.

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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:51 AM
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3. Good article, thanks
My favorite part is:

In an interview this week, Joseph Cirincione, the endowment's director for nonproliferation and the lead author of that important study, made the same essential point that Kerry did on Monday.

''We don't use the word 'lie' because it is hard to prove intent or the knowledge of the individual at the time, but it is clear that senior administration officials systematically misled the Congress and the American public about the nature and the immediacy of the threat," he said.

No matter how many speeches Cheney and Bush give, no matter how hard they deflect or whom they try to blame or hide behind, that's a truth they can't escape.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:43 PM
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4. What a great article
I think I'm going to faint, an article chock full of FACTS!!!! How long since we've seen one of those, and I'm not just talking about Kerry articles either. I emailed the guy and thanked him for it, maybe they need to know some of us are paying attention.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 03:05 PM
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5. Yeah, I really liked that article.
Scott Lehigh did a good job. I will e-mail as well and thank him for the good job he did.

I agree on using the word 'lie,' I posted this in a thread on GD. You can't use lie, cuz your have tp prove intent. We need to investigate the origins of this war and get the paperwork, that might atually prove intent.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:32 PM
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6. There are a few lines in this article...
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 07:33 PM by _dynamicdems
that I'd like to make some of the DU whiners (who want Kerry to use the word "lie") read aloud and then write 100 times on a blackboard. Hehe.
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