Scary new Sy Hersh article up online about WH Iraq plans

We have been discussing the possibilities of pulling troops out of Iraq. The White House and the Pentagon may well try to draw down as many as 50 - 60,000 troops next year. But, as Sy Hersh points out in his New Yorker article this week, that doesn't mean the US is getting out of Iraq. They are changing tactics by pursuing a more aggressive air war. (This has all kinds of frightening overtones, and resembles what Nixon did when the VN war became so unpopular here in the US. He withdrew troops and bombed the crap out of SE Asian countries.)

HEre is the article, free online.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/051205fa_fact

Thoughts?

(before coffee) - those SOBs.

Read about this yesterday at Salon. It fits the profile perfectly. Never admit you're wrong, never retreat, never surrender.

I hate these people more than I ever thought it was possible for me to hate.

They will be happy that fewer Americans are dying. Hersh has been right so often but I hope his sources here are misinformed. It seems to go hand -in- hand with the Vietnam revisionism. I really can't understand the people who claim we would have won if we fought harder, absolutely forgetting that the Christmas bombings didn't bring anyone to our side.

I hope all those ministers and priests who told there people to vote for Bush, know that if this happens - it was predictable - they have some real culpability.

I've never hated anyone before like I do these people.

Idiots, sounds like "Shock and Awe" part two. They are a bunch of arrogant SOBs. They'll get what they want even if no Iraqis are left standing.

That is probably what will happen. They'll do that and than shortly later have a "Mission Accomplished part two". Either that or do it secretly like they did in 2003 when Bush was claiming all military options were last on the table. (or was it in 2002??)

Sadly, it goes with what we can expect from the Bush administration.

Hopefully, some Democrats will have the good sense to ask questions about that, but I am worried that many people will fall for it: "See, he is doing what we want - He is withdrawing troops".

Hopefully, it will be good for American soldiers, but still, is it admissible?

Gawd, we need another big march on DC. This time it should be led by OpTruth and Military Families Speak Out. These folks have the credibility to really talk to Americans about the war. (And only the war, no other liberal pet causes.)

I honestly don't think they (the White House) will get away with it. There are just too many people who know the truth and this Admin is tanking in the polls badly. They are tanking on credibility issues. This is different from at the time of the initial invasion.

To clarify my earlier post. The WH will push hard to try to get what they want, but it will not work.

it has to be led by those groups and be about the war nothing else. Plus we need lots of Senators and Congressmen standing with them.

I hope you're right TayTay, but they have already gotten away with so much. I just mentioned the airpower thing to my husband, and the first words out of his mouth were God dammit that is what they did in Vietnam it didn't work then and it won't work now.

IMO Bush is a madman, this is getting scarier by the day.

the WH/media spin with facts is important.

The last paragraph of an article Mass posted yestersday about the four options characterized the withdrawal plans as the Vietnamization of Iraq---the withdrawal, not the increase in air strikes.

and there are no guarantees. But, this President is at 34% in the polls. It is possible (and likely) that he will go up slightly in the polls over the next year. But he has lost credibility. This is very important.

The withdrawal has to stay front and center so that the Republican Noise Machine can't get the happy, cheery news about a fake withdrawal out there and convince the public that this is a real event. It isn't. It's a fake. We have to stay ever vigilant against the lies.

They'll have some phoney ass "Mission Accomplished part two" and pull out just enough to make a show. Than Bush will talk about some "freedom" nonsense and people will believe for a while that we're really out. They're planning on never leaving though since they are supposivley building twenty-three or so military bases there that will be permanent and a huge-ass US Embassy apparently. This is why I'm wondering if Murtha is talking about pulling out now since he's the last person people thought would come out saying to pull out. He's friends with people at the Pentagon and a lot of them apparently are on his side. So it makes the timing very interesting to me. Remember that going into Iraq was timed perfectly for 2002 and coming out will be timed for 2006 and than they can use it for 2008 as well as being strong on defense.

scumbags.

This plan of theirs MUST be made known to everyone!

Ever since Bushco took control of our government 5 years ago, all the worst-case scenarios have come to pass as the result of their policies. It's surreal.

Busco has to be stopped! They're a blight on our nation!

Will Kerry address this latest plan Bushco has up its sleeve?

(Thanks for the article, Tay Tay.)

I mean this is just reprehensible. And it is more fraud. Sen. Kerry mentioned a Sy Hersh article during Condi's confirmation hearing and really pressed her on it. I cannot imagine that he would let this go. (Nor should any other Dems. Sen. Reid will surely come out with something on this, I mean the gloves are off for the Dems on this war.)

These are not people you can work with.