Just in case you need to explain that Kerry's plan is NOT the DLC's plan

Just send people to the DLC website - They could not have spelled it out better for us.

http://www.dlc.org/

Why should anyone else?

He did not speak at the 2005 DLC meeting. From did not list him as a potential 2008 DLC presidential candidate.

And now, they ignore that he has a plan for Iraq.

Could the Kerry-is-DLC-DLC-is-EVIL folks just give it UP?

I'm so tired of that.

I happened to be over there a few days ago, and was looking for a mention of Kerry on the DLC website. Couldn't find one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2283312

Note what the op says about JK's relationship to the DLC.

Not sure I agree 100% with the post but it is a vast improvement over most DU threads about the DLC, and especially as pertains to Kerry and other "DLC members".

including a few people reminding us that even Lieberman is a vote for a Democratic Leadership, whether you like him or not.

I found that really good to hear from people who dont like From and Lieberman at all.

good! Thanks.

days.

Until recently, most people on DU were saying that Kerry was too centrist, a DLCer, ...

Since a few weeks, a few people are going around saying that Kerry was not centrist enough for the country and that this is why he was beaten in 04.

This makes things difficult to explain, between the two angles.

That explains it. I was wondering why some newspapers were reporting varying Iraq plans, but not Kerry's. It looks like it's because he hasn't aligned with any particular group and so his name isn't coming up in any press releases. Not the DLC, not the Murtha contingent, not the left. Well that sucks to have the correct plan but no group who will get behind you. :(

his legislation does well in the Senate. There'll be a press release in that case.

But from reading the Times and some other papers, his name is often omitted altogether. If they're doing their stories based on DLC or other groups' press releases, then that would explain why Kerry's name is always omitted. I think I will start checking press releases before I criticize the newspapers. Try to track the connections.

Like when his prison amendment passed and his name was practicially left out of all the articles about it.

I like your ideas a lot. I think we need to get better at calling the media out on stuff like this, especially when there ar epress releases we can link back to.

The "benchmarks" were Kerry's strategy. How DARE they?
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It's part of it, but more important is the recognition that the solution is not military and that there should be an international meeting to get neighbours involved in Iraq, as well as the understanding that the troops cannot stay forever and that their presence is the problem and not the solution (something these people and Bush refuse to acknowledge).

He believes that you have to push the Iraqi government and all parties to be involved. This is also the recognition and the declaration that there will not be any permanent basis (which is probably only there because Kerry understands too well that * wants some).

Without that, the benchmarks are an empty policy that even Bush adopts now (not that he will tell you what these benchmarks are). In fact, the benchmarks is a code for an accountability mechanism to withdraw the troops. This is NOT the plan, as some in GDP would like us to believe.

I think the Democrats adopted the word because it is meaningless without context and that nearly everybody could use it to present their solution.

tool, the effectiveness of which, is determined by the skill and knowledge applied in their use. In Bush's case, as you point out, benchmarks would indeed be meaningless.

However, it really irks me that, tool or no, the first leader to tie withdrawal to the use of benchmarks was Senator Kerry, but the DLC site touts the term and associates it with Clinton, Lieberman and Warner. Maybe it is nitpicking, but I hate it when our favorite Senator is not given the credit he is due.

At least he's getting quite a bit of air time and both his Georgetown Speech and his speech in the Senate are part of public record.

withdrawing troops, not keeping troops in Iraq. You could imagine benchmarks to increase the troops (with Bush, who knows). They liked the word, they tookd it, but they continue on their stay the course.

Anyway, I may be partial against the DLC organization and its leaders, but the less they acknowledge Kerry, the better I feel.