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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:59 AM
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Kerry bashing from the Washington Times
Well, at least the Washington Times knows who is leading this filibuster. I guess there is some solace to find there.


http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20051220-094854-4534r.htm

Kerry Democrats demagogue ANWR

TODAY'S EDITORIAL
December 21, 2005

Given his seemingly insatiable appetite for energy, Democratic Sen. John Kerry would hardly seem the ideal candidate to lead his party's ill-advised, counterproductive filibuster against a defense appropriations bill because it includes an amendment authorizing the Interior Department to grant leases for the exploration, development and production of oil and gas in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. Married to a woman who flies him and herself around the country in her private, energy-guzzling Gulfstream II jet visiting their five mansions heated and cooled with increasingly scarce, ever-more-expensive energy resources, Mr. Kerry and his family surely consume far more BTUs than 99.99 percent of America's households he sought to represent as president last year. Nevertheless, there he was, holding a press conference Monday pledging to defeat the defense spending bill because it included the ANWR provision. The filibuster tactic, which Democrats have used in previous years, requires them to muster only 41 votes, rather than a majority.
The timing of Mr. Kerry and the Democrats is horrendous. Accelerating a trend that had begun decades ago, hurricane-affected crude oil production in the United States plunged by nearly 1.4 million barrels per day (more than 25 percent) in October compared to average daily output during the first six months of the year. As a result, U.S. imports of crude oil and petroleum products soared beyond 14 million barrels per day in October. That import level represented nearly 70 percent of total petroleum products supplied, setting an import-dependency record. October petroleum imports were also 60 percent higher than the 8.8 million barrels per day the United States imported in 1995, when President Clinton vetoed legislation authorizing oil and gas exploration in ANWR. Meanwhile, the price of natural gas has been hitting record levels lately, far outstripping rates prevailing as recently as two or three years ago....
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:29 AM
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1. Eff them! What's with the horrendous BS? Democrats caused higher prices?
This is just another effing attempt to spin shit. Why don't they suggest the Republicans launch an investigation into fuel prices that the Democrats have been screaming about? Get to the bottom of the real problem, instead of spinning personal attacks. Kerry and his family? What about Bush flying all over the damn place promoting his SS scheme? WT, STFU!
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:48 AM
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3. Right, and who pays for it when * flys all over the place
promoting his SS scheme? WE DO! Senator Kerry has been clear about the fact that we need to find alternatives to all of the fossil fuels we currently consume. To paraphrase: "We can't drill our way out of this crisis, we must INVENT our way out." He realizes that we must rely on good old-fashioned American ingenuity to lessen our dependence on oil and gas (both foreign and domestic). He has said this over and over again. The Washington Times can bite me.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:47 AM
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2. two words are all you need to refute. "Moonie Times"
Thanks for posting. Always good to see what vitriolic tripe the Moonie Times is spreading. Fun to see how much they hate Kerry. The more this crowd hates, the more I know JK is doing good.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:50 AM
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4. Kerry is married to a woman who flies him and herself ....
and no Republicans fly private jets. They write this as if there were something wrong with it. The wording on this just sounds weird - also in the last week, there were stories of manipulating the supply of natural gas to get the highest possible price - by oil companies (not owned by Teresa.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 08:37 AM
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5. Dear Moonie Times: Bite me.
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 08:40 AM by TayTay
I am in no mood to take any crap from you wingnut bastards this morning. (See Red Sawx post, sigh!) Your snide comments about my greatly and deeply esteemed Junior Senator sound like jealousy to me. You friggin bastards never got over the fact that the lovely and talented Mrs. Heinz didn't go Rethug all those years ago when you wanted her to run for her first husband's seat after his tragic death. Then she went and fell in love with a Massachusetts Democrat of the first order. Of course, the fact that you believe that rich people are divinely ordained to do whatever the f*ck it is they want to do kind of conflicts with the fact that some rich people, like George Soros or Steven Speilberg or even THK, aren't falling in line and kissing GWB ass. Suck it up, you bastards. (Hey, are you guys jealous cuz Momma T never put you on the guest list. She doesn't want to hang out with you losers, she'd rather hang out with people whose heads aren't obviously up their arses.)

Hey, not everybody wants to hump the oil companies. Deal with it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:47 AM
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6.  It seems a lot of the Republicans have a problem with this
I doubt Teresa (or John)wanted advice from the Rev. Moon on who to marry. Now that they've been married over 10 years, shouldn't these guys have gotten over it. They seem pretty happy.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:05 PM
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10. LOL
Well said, Taytay. You are in top form today!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:21 PM
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7. Please put up in GD.
Maybe subject line like - Moonie Times attacking Kerry and Dems.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:50 PM
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8. Dick bell has his back (and yours too.)
http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2005/12/tell_us_richard.html

Tell Us Richard, Was It Politics?
The Washington Post's polling editor Richard Morin recently sounded off during a chat about why the Post had never asked a question about impeaching Bush. Morin offered lame excuses, and attacked those who were writing to him asking him to include an impeachment question. (See Impeachpac for the transcript.)

Why won't the Post ask the Big I question? One minute of research was sufficient to destroy Morin's two claims. I came up with two others. In the end, it's hard not to conclude that Morin's refusal is based entirely on politics. What do you think?

******
Richard,

I read a transcript of your explanation for why you get angry about being asked to ask a question about impeachment on the Post's polls. Your explanation sounds like you are shooting the messenger without paying any attention to the message.

There are four possible explanations for your refusal to poll on impeachment: the two you offered in this discussion, and two that I will suggest.

Let's take your first explanation: In the interview, you claim that you are not asking about impeachment because impeachment "is not a serious option or a topic of considered discussion."

Well before this week, there were plenty of people outside of DC who were talking about whether the President had committed impeachable offenses. All you had to do was spend 5 minutes exploring the political discussion areas of the Internet and you would have seen that impeachment was a common topic. A Google search on the phrase "impeach Bush" turns up 1,660,000 hits at 9:43 this morning. And even if you wanted to turn your back on the "rabble" who haunt the Internet, a search of Lexis-Nexis, "News: Most recent publications (English 90 Days), turns up more than 400 hits in the mainstream media indexed by Nexis--before the NSA scandal hit the press.

And one other pollster had already asked about impeachment, with rather startling results. Let's read what your fellow Post reporter Dan Froomkin had to say in your paper on September 21, 2005 about a Zogby poll taken earlier:

"More than four in 10 Americans, according to a recent Zogby poll, say that if President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment.

"But you wouldn't know it from following the news. Only three mainstream outlets that I can find made even cursory mention of the poll last week when it came out."

The startling results of the Zogby poll, and the discussion of those results in your own paper, are another demonstration that impeachment was not an invisible issue.

In light of these search results, your first argument collapses: there was plenty of discussion going on, and other traditional news outlets were writing and talking about it. It strains credulity to believe that the Post was unaware of these discussions.

Your second explanation was "the fact that no member of congressional Democratic leadership or any of the serious Democratic presidential candidates in '08 are calling for Bush's impeachment. When it is or they are, we will ask about it in our polls." But if history teaches us anything, it is that our Congresspeople are always the last to know and the last to act. Using statements from Congresspeople as a metric for deciding when something is worthy of polling is a sad commentary on how the Post views the American people, and why people complain to pollsters about how out of touch the mainstream media appear to be with their kitchen-table conversations.

As a third explanation, we might consider laziness or stupidity; could it be possible that no one at the Post was aware of the impeachment discussions going on across the country, or if they were aware, failed to communicate that information to the paper's chief pollster? I reject this explanation because it is an insult to all of the hard-working researchers and reporters at the Post.

We are left with a fourth explanation, that the decision was a political one. Someone at the Post, and I hope that it was not you personally, decided that impeachment was too hot, too threatening to the Post's relationship with the Bush administration. Given the vindictiveness of this administration, it is easy to understand how Post executives would hesitate to produce valid polling numbers that showed the American people having any interest at all in impeaching the president.

The direct evidence, and the circumstantial evidence, point strongly to this political explanation. And after all, it would not be the first time that a paper's management chose to avoid confronting the Bush administration: just look at the miserable decision by the New York Times to sit on the news of Bush's illegal spying campaign, a decision that could easily have turned the outcome of the 2004 presidential election. (Note Froomkin's comment above about how the Zogby poll basically sank without a trace.)

So how about cutting the lame excuses, getting some guts, and start asking the damn question?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:58 PM
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9. Excellent.
I was hesitant about the impeachment talk before the NSA. (For purely practical reasons. It's not going to happen.) However, after the NSA stuff, I think we should push it for purely constitutional reasons. Bush thinks he is a little tin god and can do whatever he wants. This is not true. He has abused his authority on purpose and thumbed his nose at the law. Impeachment hearings must be held. This is for the good of the nation.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:09 PM
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11. darn right! AND look...cheney knows and supports it too
impeach him as well.

And Gonzalez as well!

They're all drunk with power.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:11 PM
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13. Cheney is included in Conyers' motion.
:thumbsup:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:10 PM
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12. Great stuff. Thanks.
Yesterday, I noticed a pre-NSA Rasmussen poll (32%) mentioned in a news story. Even before the NSA, if an investigation proved Bush lied about the war evidence (laid it all out in public), that number would probably be closer to 55% or higher.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:29 PM
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14. uh oh... moderater, I didn't mean to mess up.
I'm sorry.

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