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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:33 AM
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Wow. This is creepy.
http://www.psycport.com/showArticle.cfm?xmlFile=comtex_2005_12_21_up_0000-2675-bc-us-voting.ew.xml&provider=United%20Press%20International

Fear of death factors into how we vote
United Press International - December 21, 2005

NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J., Dec 21, 2005 (UPI via COMTEX) -- Rutgers University scientists say their research suggests some people voted for George W. Bush rather than John Kerry because of concerns about death.

Florette Cohen, a graduate student in social psychology and Daniel Ogilvie, a psychology professor, used research based on the 2004 presidential election. They found voters in a "psychologically benign state of mind" preferred Kerry to Bush, but Bush was more popular than Kerry after voters received a subtle reminder of death.

Citing an Osama bin Laden tape that became public a few days before the election, the researchers say many Americans' unconscious concerns about death resulted in some people being scared into voting for Bush.

The researchers collaborated with professors Sheldon Solomon of Skidmore College, Jeff Greenberg at the University of Arizona and Tom Pyszczynski at the University of Colorado.

The study appears in the journal Analyses of Social Issues and Public Policy.

URL: www.upi.com

Copyright 2005 by United Press International


Anyone think the Bushies were ignorant of this? No, I did't think so...
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:35 AM
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1. Think about death and vote for Bush?
OMG, that is the weirdest election news this year. Ahm, I am at a loss for what to say. Ahm, I kind of equate Bush with Death as a matter or course, but that's because I think he brings it with him wherever he goes. OMG, what a country!
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:37 AM
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2. Yeah, way to win hearts and minds...
Funny, I thought about death and voted AGAINST Bush! Well, I was voting FOR life by voting FOR Kerry, but you know what I mean. But seriously, that shows on just what an unconscious, irrational level so many were making their choice.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:39 AM
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3. Kerry certainly was onto this.
Those comments he made about the bin Laden tape - he understood fully what the repercussions were.
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:42 AM
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4. Yeah, what the people who blame JK for conceding don't get is
that he was onto ALL of it. The man's brain and judgement are fully engaged and he sees the "big picture." This is what made him such a good leader in battle, and what WILL make him one of our best presidents.
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:50 PM
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14. Exactamundo, Luftmensch. {n/t}
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:55 AM
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5. Maybe the thought of death triggered fear of
the Bush crime family. There is a lot of irrational thinking attributed to those who voted for Bush, but in the end they're not very good excuses. They should have voted for Kerry.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:43 PM
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6. The bushies started this pattern
right after September 11th, knowing full well it could buy them another guaranteed ticket to the White House. Remember the constant terralerts? They almost crossed the line a few times insofar as they desensitized the public. The image the repugs created of Bush was that of a strong, willful protector. :puke:
It worked with his base, and it swayed far too many swing voters, who normally would have been much more concerned about immediate issues, such as the economy. (even though I believe the rethug tactic still wasn't enough for an honest win).
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:39 PM
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7. Wow--I just posted in the other thread about this to you
I really think it has a lot to do with it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:37 PM
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8. So, the sane rational people who quieted their fears
voted for Kerry. What is strangest to me is that the real danger is far more significant in Manhattan - which voted over 80% Kerry.
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:52 PM
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15. Real danger? Saneness of mind?
Then Kerry could be considered a talisman of sorts. A banisher of irrational thought? Think of him and be quiet and clear of mind, even though you're in more real danger. I kinda like that.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:09 PM
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9. I admit I was afraid for a long time. But then the London bombings
happened, and the Brits were like "Whatever, you terrorists don't scare us. Now let's hit the tube and go back to work". They showed us Americans up big time. Simply put, they were braver than us, and they certainly didn't give Tony Blair much of a bounce after the attacks. They're still pissed at him for the Iraq War, and have told it to him as much as they can. Similarly, most New Yorkers have accepted that they may once again be victims of another terrorist attack, but they choose to live their lives in the mean time anyway. In contrast, my wingnut neighbor quit her job after 9/11, because she wanted to be home with her children (one was a teenager the other in college). She spoke of * keeping us save with religious fervor.

Yet even in my fear, which was still palpable back in Nov. '04, I still chose hope over fear. I KNEW there had to be a way better than endless war. I still think there is.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:41 PM
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10. We arrived in London on the day of the bombing
They were not just braver, but far more logical. In fairness, it was a smaller event in terms of death than 9/11 - but because it could have continued anywhere in London - it is a fair comparision.

Even the day of the bombing, the officials were talking of having identified the bombers and to have been purusing the money trail - to see if they had outside funding. It was treated as a very large, serious, important police case - and they had far more success both claming people down and in getting to the root of things that way. (For me it brought up Cheney's dirision that Kerry would fight terrorism as a criminal offense - well it worked better than reverting to Saturday morning cartoon like statements of we're going to get them dead or alive.)

Commenting on the main topic - that people fearing death voted for Bush actually might explain why the Bushies went after Kerry's service (rather than the more obvious protesting). The image of Kerry as a very good swiftboat captain actually could have countered this phenomenom. I always thought it couldn't because running a country is not skippering a boat, but it was emotional, not rational. Kerry's silver medal, in particular, where he used an agressive non- conventional tactic to save the 3 boats from a near certain devastating attack was certainly better than surrounding Tora Bora on only some sides. Kerry, even at 25, saved the people on the boat with him. Whose boat would you want to be on? (even personalities aside)
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:21 PM
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11. IMO there is also a correlation between fear and FAUX News watching.
(And thus, a correlation between fear and voting for Bush.) Has anyone else noticed that people who watch FAUX News (as their main news source) seem to be more paranoid and fearful of the world than folks who get there news from other sources? I've noticed this with several people that I know - after 9/11 they watched FAUX 24/7 and were afraid the terrorists were just on the verge of knocking on their doorstep even though they live in Middleoffreakin'nowhere, NC. I think this fear carried on throughout last year's election (mostly based on 9/11).

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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:55 PM
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16. Fox? What's there to be afraid of?
Nothing any SANE person would be afraid of. "Oh my God! Natalee Holloway's killers are coming after me, bringing the bird flu from Aruba! That is, if I don't die from the cell-phone induced cancerous tumor, or the coffee-induced heart attack first!!!!"

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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 07:20 PM
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12. What on earth would have caused that level of fear?
"It's absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on Nov. 2, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States," Cheney told about 350 supporters at a town-hall meeting in this Iowa city.

You know, if they start the terra alerts again during '06 campaigns, I'm just going to start screaming at the top of my lungs at these idiots and not stop until the election's over.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:45 PM
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13. I think this is an issue
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 08:46 PM by Island Blue
that the Democratic Party is going to have to be prepared to deal with next year, because I'm afraid the terra alerts WILL begin at least by next spring. We need a unified strategy (Democrats, unified? Okay, that was funny) to counteract whatever they throw at us. I'm sure Osama is in the studio now filming his next Republican campaign commercial - I mean terra threat.
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