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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:49 AM
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Anyone following the story about Amanpour being spied on?
The Carpetbagger is on it here: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6251.html

And Americablog: http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/01/nbc-confirms-its-investigating-whether.html

NBC confirms it's investigating whether Bush spied on CNN's Christiane Amanpour
by John in DC - 1/04/2006 10:27:00 PM

That is the only way to read NBC's just-issued statement on why they deleted key portions of Andrea Mitchell's interview after we reported on it here earlier today.



Via Atrios and MediaBistro:

Unfortunately this transcript was released prematurely. It was a topic on which we had not completed our reporting, and it was not broadcast on 'NBC Nightly News' nor on any other NBC News program. We removed that section of the transcript so that we may further continue our inquiry.

This is quite big. Note exactly what NBC said.

- NBC did not say it pulled the references to Bush spying on Amanpour because it was inappropriate conjecture about something which Andrea Mitchell had no evidence.

- No, NBC said it pulled the references because it was still investigating the accusation and didn't want to scoop itself before it was finished investigating. And make no mistake, NBC is "continuing their inquiry."

- UPDATE: One more point. NBC did NOT delete the part of the interview preceding the Amanpour question - where Mitchell asks if any reporters are being spied on. They only deleted the follow-up question about whether Amanpour was being spied on. Thus, their premature release of info regarding an "ongoing inquiry" wasn't about reporters generally - or they'd have deleted that part of the interview as well - they only deleted the Amanpour follow-up, suggesting that it's the question of whether Bush spied on Amanpour that they have been, and are still, investigating.

That's incredibly big news.


Not to mention that:


Then there is the issue of Amanpour's husband, Jamie Rubin, former official in the Clinton administration State Department. You may have forgotten (we did, frankly), but Rubin re-emerged in 2004 -- as a foreign policy advisor to John Kerry. Do husbands and wives use the same telephones and computers? Is the Pope German?

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:03 AM
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1. It's up next on Stephanie Miller
She has been reading the blogs again. I just love her. Funniest show on the radio.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:11 AM
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2. Oh, good.
I'm listening too, but I got up to fetch some coffee and missed the announcement.

She is great - my husband loves her too.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:16 AM
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3. just tuned her in--did I miss anything? n/t
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:18 AM
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4. It's just on now! n/t
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:39 AM
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5. Here's more from Salon
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/01/04/eavesdropping/index.html

Was the NSA listening?

Does NBC's Andrea Mitchell know something about the Bush administration's domestic spying program that the rest of us don't? As AMERICAblog's John Aravosis notes, Mitchell put a question to the New York Times' James Risen Tuesday that suggests that she might.

In an interview with Risen, Mitchell asked if he had any information suggesting that the National Security Agency has been eavesdropping on CNN correspondent Christiane Amanpour. Risen said he hadn't heard that. Has Mitchell heard something to that effect, or was she just using Amanpour's name as the example of what might have gone wrong with the spying program?

We don't know the answer to that, and neither does Aravosis. But as Aravosis notes, the implications of tapping Amanpour's phone lines could be enormous. There's the chilling thought that government officials might be listening in on the conversations of a reporter, and then there's this: Amanpour's husband, who like any husband might have had occasion to use his wife's phone, happens to be Jamie Rubin, the former Clinton administration official who served as a foreign policy advisor for John Kerry's presidential campaign.

Update: As several readers note in the comments below, the exchange between Mitchell and Risen about Amanpour has rather mysteriously disappeared from the transcript of the interview posted on the MSNBC Web site. If MSNBC has an explanation for why Mitchell's question and Risen's answer have disappeared, we'd sure like to hear it. Did Mitchell not ask the question -- that seems unlikely, doesn't it? -- or does someone at MSNBC just wish she hadn't?

-- Tim Grieve
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:43 AM
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6. And more about the possible Kerry connection
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 11:44 AM by whometense
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/01/05/amanpour/index.html

Spying, CNN and the Kerry campaign: Is there a there there?

It gets curiouser and curiouser.

As we noted Wednesday, AMERICAblog's John Aravosis noticed an odd moment in Andrea Mitchell's interview this week with New York Times reporter James Risen: While interviewing Risen about his new book and revelations that George W. Bush authorized warrantless spying on American citizens, Mitchell asked Risen if he had any information suggesting that CNN's international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour, "might have been eavesdropped upon." Risen said he didn't. But as Aravosis surmised, the question certainly suggested that Mitchell did.

<...>

Now, it's probably time for a deep breath and some patience here. What we've got here is some reading between the lines, and it's about a question, not an answer. But as we said yesterday, if the answer is ultimately answered in the affirmative -- that is, if the Bush administration has indeed been listening in on Amanpour's phone -- the implications are enormous. We don't much like the idea that the government might be listening in on the conversations of a reporter. And Amanpour isn't just any reporter: She is married to Jamie Rubin, a State Department spokesman under Bill Clinton and a foreign policy advisor to John Kerry's presidential campaign. If the Bush administration was listening in on Amanpour's phone, was it listening when she talked with her husband? Was it listening when he might have used her phone himself?

Again, what we've got here are hints about a question. We're a long way from an answer. But when you start circumventing Congress and the courts and begin to spy on Americans in a way that you insist you aren't, you invite questions like these. And along the way, you invite people to think about the last time some people who worked for a president tried to spy on the opposition.

-- Tim Grieve


And those people were terrified by John Kerry too.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:57 AM
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7. I strongly believe
that when all of the details are exposed what Bush and his allies have done since 2000 will be the crime of the century: The network of corruption that runs from Noe and Abramoff through several other players in several states to the WH, the lies used to promote the start of the war in Iraq (DSM, misleading Congress, and abramoff dubious dealings may even be pinned to their war agenda http://www.juancole.com/2006/01/abramoff-and-al-arian-lobbyists.html), the stolen elections, the NSA spying and its reaches and on and on. Watergate will look like a romp in comparison.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:00 PM
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8. It's all starting to unravel.
:popcorn: The only thing is that real people are suffering from this idiot's policies and the rank corruption under his regime. It's good to see it coming apart, but I weep for all the people who have been hurt by these traitors.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:13 PM
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10. So right!
I'm thrilled it's finally being exposed. Pass me some: :popcorn:

On the other hand, they are the cause of so much tragedy and people continue to die and suffer, and there are those who live in fear of the regime's next move.

End the fear and suffering now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:50 AM
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30. More info.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:06 PM
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9. Couldn't agree more.
I was listening to Rachel Maddow this morning as she was enumerating the various sins of last week's recess appointees. And as she was enumerating all the sins of the people Bush put in charge of mining supervision.

And we can add to that the various other foxes he's put in charge of various other henhouses (insert John Bolton/UN, to name one example). I don't think the word incompetent can be applied here. Or rather, it should only be used in the sense of intentional incmpetence. They are systematically plundering our entire government, putting only incompetents in charge of every single job. You have to have a plan in place to do that. As Rachel said this morning, "Where do they even find these people??? You'd have to go out of your way to find people so massively unqualified.

Rachel's upshot was - anything for the corporate world. Give them whatever they want, put them in charge of regulating themselves, and sit back and rake in the money.

One thing is sticking in my brain from that commerce hearing we were discussing the other day - it was during Kerry's questioning of Barreto, and he asked two or three times, "Are you empowered to make these decisions???" while Barreto weaved and ducked and finally had to admit he was only empowered to take all offers "back to the white house" to be ruled on from there. Complete and total executive control - everyone else in government a figurehead. They are after no less. God, this year's elections could not be more vital.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:24 PM
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11. No wonder there was never an official transcript
of that hearing. Barreto was just a fool and an obvious bag man for the Bushies. That hearing rocked (and yet, that's so sad. How many people have to suffer for these people.) John Kerry rocked, He just frigging nailed this bastard. That is one of the best appearances ever.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:31 PM
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12. Bush wanted a dictatorship
And by gawd, he's getting himself one. Everything he does is calculated. The recess appointments are a good example.
(Wasn't Ms. Fisher, who is prosecuting Abramoff, a recess appointment, too?)
The spying business was never meant as an antiterrorism measure either, as evidenced by the apparent spying on Christiane Amampour. A Kerry connection is not far-fetched, and I've suspected that the Kerry camp was spied upon as soon as this came out in the Times.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:35 PM
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13. This is going to get him impeached by Repubs
This is toxic stuff. The King is going to be overthrown, I'm telling ya.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:42 PM
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15. I hope so
He's starting to worry me a little here. Do you really think the repugs in congress will do the right thing for once?
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:45 PM
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16. The only reason they will,
I'm afraid, is fear of losing seats. God forbid they should do anything just because it's the right thing to do.

The culture of fear has certainly permeated the government as well as the populace, as the administration intended. It's instructive to see how very few people in government have the courage to speak out. It's a very small number.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:07 PM
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21. or, to be more on the optimistic side,
(and I am trying, trying!) Once the Repubs in Congress see the wheels falling off the Bush Machine, they will blink, rub their eyes, and snap out of their robotic, rubber-stamp selves and start acting like human beings again. :thumbsup:
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:17 PM
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22. They must go. Won't get fooled again.
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 03:18 PM by TayTay
These evil bastards need to get the hell out of public life forever. That is the bargaining, get the hell out and promise never to darken Democracy's door again. Ever.

I have said this before and I will say it again, I want my country back and I want these lying sons of bitches to go back to whatever pit of hell they crawled out of and leave decent, law abiding citizens alone.

It's like that part of the movie, The Princess Bride when Inigo Montoya finds the six-fingered man who killed his father and can finally confront the man who caused so much pain in his life:

Inigo Montoya: Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father: prepare to die. Now, offer me money.
(slices Count Rugen's cheek)
Count Rugen: Yes.
Inigo Montoya: Power too. Promise me that.
(slices Count Rugen's other cheek)
Count Rugen: All that I have and more. Please...
Inigo Montoya: Offer me everything I ask for.
Count Rugen: Any thing you want.
Inigo Montoya: I want my father back, you son of bitch.
(stabs and kills Count Rugan)

I want my country back. Now. These people can get the hell out and rot for all I care. Just do it away from any position of power whatsoever.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:27 PM
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23. I feel the same way.
Once they have exhibited this kind of completely craven cowardice in the face of bullying, they have shown their true lack of character and need to go. They can't be allowed a chance to try this junta crap again.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:29 PM
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24. so would I, but
what may happen is that some of them turn themselves around enough to not get booted out--and those are the ones I hope will reform themselves. If we can't have them out altogether, then at least I hope they learn to play nice and rediscover their morals if they can.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:39 PM
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14. More on recess appointments
at firedoglake: http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_firedoglake_archive.html#113642933092032350

Today King George announced seventeen -- count 'em seventeen -- recess appointments, many of whom would have faced serious confirmation problems. Kos tells us that the three appointments to the Federal Election Commission never even had nomination hearings. No opportunity to even face questioning. None. Zero. Zip.

Amongst them -- Hans von Spakovsky, who was in large part responsible for the purge of mostly Democratic, mostly African American and mostly legitimate people from the Florida voting lists in 2000. And, of course, Robert Lenhard, who is married to the Viveca Novak, the woman now providing the substantive part of Karl Rove's defense in the Plame matter.

The notion that we live in some sort of a democracy with three branches of government and any system of checks and balances is getting to be quite farcical, IMHO.

Update: falcone1204 from the comments: "The truly amazing thing about this is that he's had to do this to get past a Senate where his party has a 6 seat majority. God, this guy is a tyrant."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:47 PM
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17. Rewarding the cronies
since 2000. When they impeach Bush and Cheney, they will have to replace all the cronies appointed for sure, and check to ensure they get them all out. Is there an antibiotic to rid the body politic of regime influences?
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:48 PM
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19. ah, the payoff appointments
As a thank you for helping him steal the first election, making all of this possible, and as a thank you for getting his turdblossom another lease on freedom. (I hope that Fitz can see past that and still indict Rove)
And the poster is so right; it really IS quite telling that Bush feels the need for recess appointments despite having a 6 seat majority in the senate.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:37 PM
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25. He filled a position that's been vacant since 2003.
The fact that he appointed Dorrance Smith to a post that's been vacant since 2003 during a four week Senate recess is just like spitting in their faces.
Every member of the Senate should be pissed as hell.
And this is just the most egregious abuse of power. Pretty cunning for an idiot.

Since the Senate held a pro forma session Tuesday and then adjourned, the White House contends the second session of the 109th Congress has begun and Bush's recess appointments are valid until the following session concludes at the end of 2007.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5523886,00.html
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:02 PM
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26. That;'s incorrect.
The recess appointment is good until the end of this 109th (weasel) Congress. Bolton and this crew are up for renewal in Jan. of 2007.

And this is a slap in then face to representative government. We do not have a King, and this guy is usurping powers that are not his.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:10 PM
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27. It may not be correct
But it's being reported by the AP. Has the WH corrected this or has it been contested?
You may well be right, I'm just sayin that's what they're sayin.

Since the Senate held a pro forma session Tuesday and then adjourned, the White House contends the second session of the 109th Congress has begun and Bush's recess appointments are valid until the following session concludes at the end of 2007.
http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/01/04...

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:27 PM
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28. Jerks. I think it's only valid until the end of this year
but these idiots probably found a loophole. Anything to avoid oversight. The Senate should protest this, but the Rethugs don't even believe in the powers of their own branch of government. It's so cowardly. Sigh!
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:32 PM
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29. Question.
Why was the Tue session called? For the purpose of trying to extend these appointments? Or was there some legit reason?
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LeftyLizzie Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:47 PM
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18. It wouldn't surprise me at all
if they were spying on Amanpour. Ever since she married Jamie Rubin, and perhaps even before, right-wingers have been out to get her. Christiane and Jamie got married while he was a spokesman for Clinton's State Dept, and some people insinuated that he was sharing state secrets with her, although there's no evidence to suggest that anything of the sort is true. At the very least, it's been suggested that she's very pro-Democrat, anti-Republican, although during a live interview she once accused Clinton of "flip-flopping" over his administrations positions on Bosnia. Regardless, the Repubs seem to have really had it out for Amanpour and Rubin for a while now.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:50 PM
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20. Interesting developments. It makes sense they would do this.
Her heritage, connections and politics.
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