Reminder: Al Gore speech coming up on Cspan n/t

ginnyinWI

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Mon Jan-16-06 11:55 AM
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Reminder: Al Gore speech coming up on Cspan n/t

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ray of light

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Mon Jan-16-06 11:58 AM
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1. Please join the dcp in the live chat area to discuss this live.

http://www.democracycellproject.net and then click on "live chat" and put your nick in the box. Hit enter and "yes" when the security flag comes up. You must have java to use the irc but it's easy to install and there is a tab there to load it if you don't have it.

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globalvillage

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Mon Jan-16-06 10:28 PM
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42. Hey ray, I meant to tell you

The DCP chat is cool.
Thanks.

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ProSense

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Mon Jan-16-06 12:04 PM
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2. Thanks for the reminder. n/t

Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 12:04 PM by ProSense

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rox63

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Mon Jan-16-06 12:22 PM
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3. Streaming on the internets right now

Here's the link: http://www.cspan.org/watch/cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

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whometense

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Mon Jan-16-06 12:28 PM
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4. Thanks!

Damn, I missed a bunch. I thought it was supposed to be at 2pm.

How's he doing? Sounds good to me.

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babylonsister

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Mon Jan-16-06 12:56 PM
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5. He's doing GREAT! The text is up at Rawstory, supposedly; I

imagine CSPAN will air this again.
It's so delightful to hear someone speak cogently! :patriot:

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whometense

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Mon Jan-16-06 12:59 PM
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6. Thanks.

He sounds wonderful to me too.

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ginnyinWI

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:43 PM
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11. they got started a bit late--you didn't miss a lot

They were supposed to have an intro by Rep. Barr via satellite, but after waiting around for a while, they gave up and had some other guy come up from the front row to do it. Al must have started around 20 after the hour.

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whometense

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:52 PM
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16. Oh, thanks -

then I only missed about the first seven minutes. This was a speech worth watching again.

He really called Bush out.

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ProSense

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:04 PM
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7. Expanded executive power

Gore points out that Roberts, like Alito, will support Bush's power grab.

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whometense

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:24 PM
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8. I literally have tears in my eyes.

That was really something.

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babylonsister

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:37 PM
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9. A real heartfelt speech; who'd a thunk it? nt

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ginnyinWI

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:40 PM
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10. he was wonderful

Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 01:41 PM by ginnyinWI

He covered every point, and brought it all back to the Founding Fathers--and who can argue with them? An amazingly powerful speech. Cspan was the only one to cover it. But it was so good, I'm going to recommend it to my repub family members, if/when they repeat it. This is truly a bi-partisan problem; it's an American problem.

haha--I was talking to Al during the speech: Ok, Al, keep it calm. Don't get red. Don't sweat--don't give the talking heads a sound-bite to ridicule you with! I think he heard me, because he did great. ;)

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globalvillage

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:45 PM
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12. You did a great job.

Neither red nor sweaty. Nice coaching, ginny.
Al was rockin'.

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whometense

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:48 PM
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14. He seemed to keep catching himself

Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 01:49 PM by whometense

and pulling back, toning his voice down. Well done.

Of course, they're all gonna call him hysterical, over-the-top, red-faced, even if his face wasn't red. But anyone who actually hears or sees this will hear the truth spoken plainly.

I imagine this will be one c-span will put on the web for watching.

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ray of light

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:47 PM
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13. I'm amused by all the Al Gore 08's out there now.

lol

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whometense

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:50 PM
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15. Not surprised, though.

Right?

Peter Daou: http://daoureport.salon.com/synopsis.aspx?synopsisId=0bf12603-a501-49f5-a1d5-478466b23b52

GORE V. BUSH: If a tree falls in a forest... A former Vice-President of the United States delivers a major speech accusing George W. Bush of breaking the law. What do all three cable news nets cover under the "Breaking News" banner? An overturned tanker truck on a New York highway. THIS is the problem for the left. And as I've said a hundred times: if the Dem establishment doesn't go after the media institutionally, things simply will not change. It's astonishing to me that they haven't gotten it yet. The only other option is for the progressive netroots to organize and fight the media on its own, an uphill struggle, to say the least...

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globalvillage

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:54 PM
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17. I e-mailed the major talking heads.

I'm hoping they cover this tonight. I did see a short clip on MSNBC, but the 'news reader' said he was "attacking the Pres". It'll be spun, no doubt.

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ray of light

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:56 PM
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19. yes, well call them back and say, "If telling the truth is an attack, then

Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 01:57 PM by ray of light

PLEASE attack him more!"

We need more truth.

And tell the media to wake up from their zombie state. Or they won't have a job either.

Funny thing about fascism...the media heads are not needed. So they can have the 6 heads and everyone else can join the homeless. No need for reporters. No need for investigations. And certainly no need to talk about gov't.

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fedupinBushcountry

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:29 PM
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24. Its the media

and no matter how many times you e-mail them I do not see any change. They are run by the corporate and to me the best way to make them wake up is to turn them off.

Write letters to your newspapers and also the major newspapers and mention that you have turned all major media off, until they decide to uphold their part of our democracy. Until we the people act strongly, and we can not let up for a minute, nothing will change.

We need to act and we need to demand that the fairness doctrine be put back in place, it is only one step but a very important one.

This speech should have been on every cable news network, not because it was Al Gore making it, but because it was important as a part of the debate on this matter and it should not be played in chosen sound bites.

I am tired of opinionated news and its about time that we let our opinions of them ring out loud and strong.

The speech was excellent, it reminded me of Kerry's speech in New York with the 9/11 widows present, speaking truth and laying it out before the people. Gore is right and Kerry is right "we the people" need to heed their calls.

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ray of light

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Mon Jan-16-06 01:55 PM
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18. Well that's what the dcp is trying to do. But...

Do you really think the Democrats don't 'get it' about the media? Aren't they still trying to be out there?

There's air america, but we need a massive movement to get at least ONE real station on tv/cable. It doesn't even have to be fox-like.

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globalvillage

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:02 PM
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20. No disrespect to Al, especially after that amazing speech

but is Current catching on? Maybe it's time to change the format?
I don't watch it, so I'm not sure, but it seems to be a foot in the door. Does it have the right focus, though?

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ProSense

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:28 PM
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22. Well that was exhilerating.

Excellent speech and rallying call. Gore stated emphatically that Bush broke the law, he cited the dangers of his policies and crony appointment and pointed to the failures of a system that allowed Abramoff to flourish. Then he mentioned called on the Democrats to stand up. After all Abramoff and this machine that Bush commands has been around since the Reagan years. The Democratic stuff was a carrot for bipartisanship.

The media by and large will give its pat response to this powerful speech. Democrats know this, and anyone who still doesn't believe that Democrats are out there fighting everyday is ignoring reality.

But the real rallying cry, as I heard it, was "we the people."

Everyday brings a different white knight. Today, the message in Gore's speech was that white knight is the American people (Conyers said the same thing shortly after filing the motion to censure). So, if everyone is going to be writing letters today, they better be aimed at the media and the Republicans who are resigned to empowering Bush.

It's good to be a Democrat today and always.

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ginnyinWI

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:57 PM
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27. well I for one am not giving up on the Dems

There's been a lot of Dem bashing at DU lately, since the Alito hearings. And you look at the teevee and see the same! They are becoming so obvious about it on some of these programs--it's obvious propaganda. "The Dems are losers--have no plan!" Unfortunately there are people at DU who are buying it.

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ProSense

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Mon Jan-16-06 03:18 PM
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31. Very interesting from Conyers (not about speech, but the Rep. and media)

Here's why I say that what Gore said about the Democrats was a carrot. This is from Conyers' blog (posted by Babylonsiter in GD-P):

Buying Time, Part I

Today's Republican party is gifted, you have to admit. In the face of insurmountable odds, with the help of a pliant press corps, they have mastered the art of buying time. Over the next few days, I'll give you a few examples (also come up with your own, if you are so inclined):

snip...

But these guys know the media is a sucker for this narrative. (I am not talking about the overtly right wing media, which will put whatever trash is necessary for Republican survival on paper). It is a story they like to write and editorialize about: the corruption of big money on politics. This narrative makes it a bipartisan scandal by positing that the whole "system," not one political party, is corrupt.

The Republicans are aided by good government advocates, longtime allies of mine, who see an opportunity to advance a campaign finance reform agenda. While I have long agreed with the view that there is too much money in politics and have been a leader on campaign finance reform issues, this scandal has nothing to do with that.

The facts show this not about the stunning inadequacy of existing campaign finance laws, it is about behavior that is already illegal. Prosecutors were not lacking in legal violations when it came to Jack Abramoff. This is not a bipartisan scandal, it is a Republican one, involving violations of criminal laws on the books.

I submit to you that Republicans know this is the truth. They also know that prosecutions, if any, will focus on Republicans, not Democrats. But this is not about the truth, it is about buying time before public opinion can solidify against a Republican Congress, they have to say something, ANYTHING. In so doing they hope a counter narrative will take hold.

In the meantime, a second response is being formulated and that involves reforms of the existing House ethics rules and laws. Trips paid for by lobbyists will be banned, as will meals (but look out for the loopholes). I may favor all of these things, but the true purpose is clear -- to imply that somehow the existing laws and rules are inadequate, that existing laws and rules do not prohibit bribery. That, of course, is false. But by then, they hope, the narrative fostered by the first response will have taken hold -- the false claim that this is a problem with the "system" -- and Republicans will try to posture themselves as the reformers of this broken "system." It's like a habitual drunk driver volunteering to be your designated driver.

http://www.conyersblog.us/default.htm [/div/

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MH1

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Mon Jan-16-06 08:24 PM
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36. Conyers is so on top of all this.

I hope JK talks to him often.

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ProSense

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Mon Jan-16-06 08:32 PM
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37. I believe JK

and all the Democrats who are at the core of this fight against Bush and the corrupt Republicans are well aware of this.

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MH1

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Mon Jan-16-06 10:27 PM
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41. I'm sure you're right.

I still hope JK and Conyers talk a lot.

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ginnyinWI

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:03 PM
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21. sigh... this is a major problem

What can we do? The sheeple only want to be entertained. Gore could only have gotten on if he'd, say killed a blonde or stolen a Bronco or something. sigh! Our country can be in a Constitutional crisis, but they've gotta please the advertisers! And Gore touched on this very problem--how TV is a vast wasteland that takes the place of real information in people's lives. The majority of people regard Cspan as boring, and will choose sensationalism every time.

Fewer and fewer people read newspapers anymore--TV is their main source for news, either because of time constraints, financial constraints or just laziness. And the networks need to be more comprehensive. But what can CBS do in one half hour per night? Or NBC or ABC. The cable news networks are the ones who have the airtime to do it--and they are being controlled by advertisers and the marketplace. IF people wanted more news content, the marketplace would respond. But too many are indifferent and want only infotainment--hence the tanker-turnover
stories.

The percentage of college-educated people has gone WAY down since the 1950s, and that goes a long way toward explaining it.

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MH1

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:34 PM
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25. Yep.

Once again Daou nails it.

"if the Dem establishment doesn't go after the media institutionally, things simply will not change."

Sigh.

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TayTay

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Mon Jan-16-06 08:11 PM
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34. What does he mean by that?

go after the media institutionally?

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MH1

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Mon Jan-16-06 10:23 PM
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39. Could mean a couple things.

1. Reduce the power of corporate media as an institution, by breaking up or constraining the institution. Like going back to media ownership rules that limit the size and scope of corporate media conglomerates and give the little guy a bigger voice. I think Dems are fighting this now. Some of them anyway. But didn't the Telecommunications Act of 1996 do a lot to put us in the mess we're in now?

2. Institutionalize within the Dem party an approach to taking on the media. In other words don't have the Gores and Kerrys out there on their own, coordinate the message and have the Dem Party as an institution drive it into the MSM. For example of how it's not done, take a look at the DNC website now. NO mention of Gore's speech?

3. Create new avenues to deliver information to people, and attract people to those in place of traditional media. Reduce the power of the traditional media by supplanting it. Again, the Dem Party must act institutionally to make this happen.

I'm not sure which of these Daou meant when he wrote it, or if he meant something else entirely, but I take it to be a combination of all of these.

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rox63

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:28 PM
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23. It was a fantastic speech

It was a long speech, but well worth listening to in its entirety. I had to miss bits and pieces of it due to customer calls, so I'm going to try to listen to it again after I get home from work tonight.

:patriot: Go, Al! :patriot:

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jillan

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:39 PM
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26. If anyone hears when they will re-air it, please post

Actually CNN Daryn Kagan mentioned it, that's what reminded me it was on.
So I missed alot, and then, get an important phone call - what nerve to call at that time.lol
In total, I think I heard about 10 minutes of it, and it left me begging for more.

Just think, he would be in his second term right now.

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MH1

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:58 PM
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28. The video is up on cspan.org

Top of the "recent programs" list right now.

I missed it too - am playing it now - it is incredible.

Al is looking really really good... and this is one hell of a speech so far (I'm about 15 min into it).

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whometense

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Mon Jan-16-06 02:58 PM
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29. It's up on c-span'd

front page already, if you don't mind watching online.

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globalvillage

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Mon Jan-16-06 06:19 PM
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32. I read in GD that it replays at 8:00 EST n/t.

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Luftmensch067

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Mon Jan-16-06 07:28 PM
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33. Yep! 8 pm repeat on C-SPAN

per their onscreen schedule

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Island Blue

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Mon Jan-16-06 03:01 PM
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30. Now that's what I call speaking truth to power!

That truly was a fantastic speech. He was on fire!

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TayTay

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Mon Jan-16-06 08:19 PM
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35. That was a fantastic speech.

VP Gore hit all the points:

We are a nation of Laws and we allow the Executive Branch to execute a power grab at peril to the entire system.

The President is subject to the rule of law. There is no Executive ability to avoid the law.

The Congress is almost criminally negligent in abandoning their oversight function. They have a vital role to play in checking the power of the President. (See the Steel Mill grab by Harry Truman back in the Korean War and how that was stopped and so forth.)

We have been told that the country is at war, and that this is a war without end. That war without end justifies the granting of extraordinary power to the Executive branch. This is power, that like the state of war, will never end and never be subject to normal checks and balances. (Because, we are at war.) This attitude is against the very nature of the Constitution and it's system of using one branch of government to keep the other from exceeding it's authority under the law. This makes this one of the most dangerous times in American History.

I also have to tell you, that, like Al Gore, I am seeing the silver lining here and do feel there is reason for hope. I saw a Conservative Republican on C-Span this morning arguing that the President was acting illegally and outside of his authority. He and other conservatives like him, were very upset with this power grab and was fighting it. There are people or conscience on both sides of the aisle who see the inherent danger in what Bush is doing and are beginning to fight this. That is what makes this such an interesting time.

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Island Blue

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Mon Jan-16-06 08:34 PM
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38. When he said that line about

the country being in a war without end, I was reminded yet again how this administration parallels George Orwell's fictional, totalitarian government in "1984". It's really quite chilling.

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MH1

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Mon Jan-16-06 10:24 PM
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40. Orwell only missed by 20 years.

Pretty damn prescient if you ask me.

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