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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:07 AM
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Charlie Cook on intensity
From Th eDemocratic Daily:

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=2392

Charlie Cook reports that Democrats have an advantage in intensity of support going into the 2006 elections. Cook also offers the same warning I recently gave:

"Of course, the more Democrats talk about censuring or even impeaching President Bush, it’s a pretty good bet that the intensity level of Republicans could rise, negating that Democratic advantage. That should explain to Sen. Russ Feingold why only one of his fellow 44 Democrats in the Senate have signed onto his censure resolution. We’ll continue to watch those intensity numbers for any possible shift. "

Democrats need to keep their eye on the real target and not help the Republicans get back in the game with blunders such as thinking they can win based upon hatred of Bush alone.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:16 AM
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1. The New Yorker had a good take on this
Feingold sprang his resolution on his Democratic colleagues without a word of advance warning or consultation. His Republican colleagues welcomed it, or professed to welcome it, as a distraction from Bush’s manifold, ever-mounting troubles. Feingold focussed on the wiretapping because that is the one area where the Administration has admitted—indeed, boasted of—overriding a particular law. But it is also practically the only area of security policy where Bush retains some lingering public support. Feingold has “energized the base,” but to what end? Apart from establishing a beachhead for his own fledgling Presidential campaign, he has succeeded mainly in deflecting the anger of a good many Democrats from Bush to—well, to “the Democrats.”

Everyone complains that the Democrats have no clear, unified position on Iraq, and they don’t. But what this analysis ignores is the fact that they can’t. Without either a federal power center or an imminent Presidential election—without a President, a Speaker of the House, a Senate Majority Leader, or a Presidential nominee—no institutional instrument or leader has the clout to impose a consensus. Democrats advocate a spectrum of more or less similar positions—an array, not a disarray—ranging from Representative John Murtha’s call for rapid disengagement to the detailed “strategic redeployment” plan backed by the Center for American Progress. But the Bush Administration has created a dilemma to which a satisfactory solution, no matter what new policies are adopted, has become vanishingly remote. As for the Democrats, their point is more implicit than explicit. It is that if they had had power they would not have made the same strategic, prudential, and moral errors that Bush and the Republicans have made, and that if they are entrusted with power they will not be wedded to a manifestly failing policy. Their job is to win power without either being completely cynical or talking themselves into a box that would make it impossible for them to exercise it wisely once they got it.

A poll taken last week by the American Research Group showed that a plurality of voters—forty-eight per cent—actually favor Feingold’s resolution, with forty-three per cent opposed. Among Democratic respondents, support was seventy per cent. For senators whose seats are safely Democratic, supporting the resolution is a personally cost-free choice. (The same is true of the thirty-one members of the House who have endorsed an impeachment resolution: in 2004, all won with at least fifty-seven per cent of the vote. The average was seventy-five per cent.) That A.R.G. poll also showed independent voters narrowly opposing censure. The midterm election will be decided in places where no Democratic candidate can prevail without overwhelming independent support. Tactical calculations like these are never pleasant. But they are not always sordid, and sometimes they are necessary.

— Hendrik Hertzberg


From: COMMENT
DISARRAY THIS
Issue of 2006-03-27
Posted 2006-03-20 http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/060327ta_talk_hertzberg
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:42 AM
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4. Ahhh, sweet voice of reason.
Hendrik Hertzberg. Thanks, Tay - I hadn't read that yet, but it's perfect. Nice to know I'm not crazy. - or at least if I am crazy I'm in excellent company.

OT - do you get the New Yorker? Have you read Calvin Trillin's ode to his late wife? It's just a beautiful piece of writing.

    Alice, Off the Page
    A married life.


Not online, but highly recommended. Nicholas Lemann's article about O'Reilly http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060327fa_fact has been getting a lot of notice too, but I haven't read it yet.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:08 PM
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9. I agree, Trillin's piece was gorgeous!
I highly recommend it. I do get the magazine at home. It comes anywhere from Wed to the next Monday. (Sigh! I think the post office reads my copy for a while, then sends it along in due time to me.)
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:24 PM
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12. Yeah, mine arrives
in a highly irregular time frame as well...
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 09:28 AM
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16. btw,
there's an article today on Salon about the Trillin piece:http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/03/24/alice_trillin/
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:53 AM
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5. Two other polls
After the ARG poll mentioned in The New Yorker, two other polls came out showing a plurality opposed censure. Plus the poll mentioned above shows indpenendents opposed censure.

Far more people agree in opposing warrantless wire taps than censure, so it would have been better to concentrate on the actual issue than to bring up a proposal for censure now.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:58 AM
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8. I'm listening to Byron York right now on Wisconsin Public Radio
He is saying that Democrats do want to keep focus on Bush and make 2006 a national referendum on him, while the Republicans want each election to be local and count on pork barrel projects given to each state. In that light, Feingold's censure resolution will help the Dems by keeping the WH in the spotlight. For better or worse, it's out there now and they should go with it.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:14 PM
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10. Criticizing Bush's Record and calling for Censure not the same
Democrats should keep the spotlight on Bush's policies and failures. That is not the same as making censure the foucus.

Indendents will agree with criticism of Bush's policies and agree with Democrats, but if it turns into a question of censure or impeachment they aren't as sure. Some also seee talk of censure to be vindictive, while they are open to criticism of Bush's record.

Republicans are not thrilled with Bush and many will stay home even if his record is criticized. However if it comes down to censure or impeachment, they will be more likely to come out to vote.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:17 PM
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11. Maybe, but there are still an awful lot of shoes to drop this year
Look at this story in Newseek: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11965317/site/newsweek

The biggest corruption scandal in history. The Dems have to try and hang this around the necks of the Rethugs. Corruption at home, corruption in foreign policy and the Rethugs are, indeed, dangerously incompetent.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 12:37 PM
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13. I saw that.
I had watched something of mealy mouthed Meleman the other day and Bob Dole yesterday and both blamed the poor after planning in Iraq on Bremer. This caught me off guard because the last I heard he was still one of the golden guys, now I know why they are blaming him. LOL, what a pathetic joke this administration is.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:54 AM
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6. very nice--thanks.
I keep meaning to go to their website and have a look.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:25 PM
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14. Excellent article. n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:34 AM
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2. Well, from my perspective and what I am forced to listen to
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 11:36 AM by wisteria
on morning radio, to that ass kisser- Hannity, they are all going with the same theme, Democrats are out to censure and won't be happy until they attempt to impeach the President. They have nothing to offer but negatives and they hate the President so much, this is all they care about,especially since they are void of ideas. Nice huh? I just hope the public don't buy into this any longer, I really do.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:40 AM
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3. I don't think it will, but
there was a Zogby poll this week that said this:

Among independents, Democrats hold a 27% to 14% lead, with 49% of independents undecided at this early stage in the midterm elections.

However, respondents favored Republicans over Democrats when asked which party’s candidates “better represents your values.” Republicans were preferred by 44%, compared to 42% who said the Democrats are closer to their values.


We still have issue to deal with with the voters.

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:56 AM
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7. That appears to be a large number of undecided voters even with
Bush screwing up and all the corruption issues.49% of independents are undecided. Damn, we need an almost complete PR campaign that clearly defines who we are and outlines our values.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:45 PM
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15. Seems the focus
that can't lose intensity is staying on top of the Republicans and Bush. It only gets worse for them because there agenda truly sucks from the public standpoint. McCain is out there trying to kill campaign finance reform:

Soros, Big Democratic Donors Targeted by Republican Measure

March 23 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. House Democrats may have to pay a steep price to enact legislation overhauling lobbying rules: agreeing to restrict donations by some of their biggest backers.

Snip...

Candice Nelson, chairwoman of the political science department at Washington-based American University, said the Republicans proposed the 527 provision as part of the broader lobbying legislation to ensure that new lobbying rules never become law.

``This is just a ploy,'' Nelson said. ``My guess is this is a way to kill the whole thing. No one's going to support this.''

Feingold agreed the two issues should be separate. ``Sometimes you say the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good,'' he said.


Two links:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aGEbtJBbCq3g
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0323-06.htm


That DCCC survey indicated that about 40% want Dems to focus on tackling GOP corruption and their agenda.

As that New Yorker article posted above mentioned, Democrats are the minority, they need to do what they can to keep the pressure on and keep the focus on the Republicans. People are worried about what's going to get cut out of the Budget with a line-item veto. Look at all the things that were cut and/or not even considered before the budget was passed by Republicans. Almost every amendment offered by the Democrats was voted down.

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