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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 11:45 AM
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Who's this idiot? I thought he was a freeper when I read the title, but
reading the editorial, I am not that sure. Who is he: a freeper, an Hillary supporter, or something else.

http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/27/4430/2006-04-07.asp?wid=27&nid=4430
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:05 PM
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1. One observation
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 12:17 PM by karynnj
The author is Bernie Quigley:
note who he says advises Hillary rather that the Natucket people:

"Mainly the Cajun Cartel; her husband (who’s favorite professor at Georgetown was the mysterious and distinguished global Cold-War strategist Carroll Quigley) and James Carville, who see abroad with the eyes of Wesley Clark. Senator Clinton will need now to come public with a clear opinion on Iraq and it will be, my guess, in General Clark’s camp. This we expected in New England. New York will not be dictated to be New England. A fact of life since 1865"

May be a coincidence, but the name seems being unusual to me. He is described as a prize winning magazine writer and poet. (Not really stellar credientials)

So, Kerry stole Clark's military manner and salute? He, of course, has no military credentials of his own. Also, Kerry's plan is the natural follow-up to his October speech, given the conditions in Iraq. He also signalled it when speaking to Rice at the SFRC, on 3/17 on Imus, and the following Monday in Salem (?), MA. Even his comments at the PTSD talk on the protester suggest where he was going - though he clearly didn't want to politicize that evant. All before Clark's speech.

It's not just Kerry he places on a "magic mountain" whatever that is - look at an earlier post:

Saturday, March 25, 2006
Wes Clark, Mark Warner & Johnny Cash: A New Face for the Democrats

The effite Magic Mountain Clinton/Dean Democrats & their Big Institutional One-Voice Press Subdivision are as fragile a cultural insitution and as irrelevant to the country today as the Austrian-Hungary Empire was to Europe in 1914. The essay below, The Fighting Dems: A New Face for the Democratic Party, presents five elements which could return the Democratic Party to the real people of our country: Mark Warner, Wesley Clark, the patriotic Fighting Dems, The Daily Kos (with over 3.5 million weekly readers under the age of 30) and Johnny Cash.

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Scanning his articles, he is biggest on Clark - so, like a posted with 11+ comments on one of the first NYT op-ed threads - he's annoyed that Kerry failed to stay silent letting only Clark speak for the Democrats on Iraq. Unlike that poster, who I suspect, really wanted Kerry's plan to be Clark's this one sees Clark as stay the course. (Odd - Clark apparently is whatever you want him to be.)











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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:33 PM
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2. HRC wants these consultants, eh?
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 12:34 PM by TayTay
Well James Boyce at the Huffington Post yesterday has this on his bio sheet about those consultants who have all gone to NY:

James Boyce is still recovering from his experience on the Kerry Campaign when he discovered that he lives in a country where a three-time decorated war hero can lose a wartime election to a chickenhawk draft dodger because of nothing but sheer incompetency by the so-called Democratic strategists and consultants who couldn't get Jessica Simpson elected prom queen of a high school prison class.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyce/john-kerry-on-iraq-no-fl_b_18548.html

Ahm, good riddance. She can have them.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:35 PM
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4. Thanks for that link.
He's a terrific columnist.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:43 PM
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6. I'll have to remember that name- James Boyce. He speaks the
truth.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:34 PM
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3. He can review his assertion about Murtha coming to Clark's plan.
I just heard Murtha giving a speech in Cleveland. He was asked what he thought about the other plans and what he thought would come from Congress.

Murtha answered definitively that there were only 2 plans: his and Bush's and that any plan that included training the Iraqis or not leaving NOW was not worthwhile talking. (I am sure Kucinich, who was in the room and had a plan for getting out of Iraq way before him, must have liked that).
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:45 PM
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7. Murtha is a good man, but a little to stuck on himself and "his plan". n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:37 PM
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5. He sounds more like a Clark supporter for personal reasons. He
must receive profits in some way from the war. It is Free Market News. He likes Clark's position, ( where is it written by the way that the party has adopted Clark's position)because he gains from it and it doesn't promote any real change in Iraq.I like how he suggests Murtha changes his plan slightly after conferring with Clark. I though I had read somewhere that Clark advised Murtha not to say anything at all,
and Murtha didn't take his advise. He seems to give Clark a lot more credit and influence within the party than I believe he actually has.
Anyway, I wrote the a**hole back and corrected him on a few things concerning Kerry's plan. He did describe it as more or less cut and run.That pissed me off right there. No need to use Repub talking points.
Oh, and obviously, he doesn't like Kerry - that is very evident.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 04:48 PM
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8. I'm not sure I even know Clark's position
Last fall he had an op-ed (I think in the NYT) that really was for more of a long term presence in the area than Kerry. It's clear he's a pretty conservative Democrat - here he seems to love Clark and like Clinton. In other articles, he likes Warner and has no use for Dean.

This article is weird, because he says this is a strategic mistake for Kerry - so I hope he saw Kerry's response to Allard. This plan is not political strategy - he really cares. But, he didn't see Kerry as the fiuture of the party anyway - but now he sees him bidding to lead the anti-war faction of the Democratic party - which is likely to be far more than half.
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