Hypocrisy watch!

This should be fun. (not the op, just will be interesting to see who responds, and how.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1263321&mesg_id=1263321

:popcorn: :popcorn:

:spray:

Edit to add:

an even better one here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2641979&mesg_id=2641979

And we hit paydirt by #7!!

there's no "he bailed out", "he didn't stand up", "he wouldn't fight", etc. So I suppose if we wait until 2010 they'll have a new view of JK, too. (just speaking about the naysayers--I know there are lots at DU who have remained much more favorable to JK.)

but it’s not now; I need more time to frame it carefully if I do,” DU would have gone up in flames by now. Can you imagine the VITRIOL over such a quote? Thank goodness Gore said it and not Kerry.

Quote: “but it’s not now; I need more time to frame it carefully if I do.”

Why would he say that? You know he need to get a spine. Don't get me wrong, I supported his campaign with my blood, sweat and tears, even gave my first born, but to say this...f*** that S***

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

He's a *****. He needs to STFU and go away!





Back to reality:

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You're sadly right about all this. It's a bunch of selective bullshit on their part.. I like Gore but this whole revision that Gore was a more liberal nominee than Kerry is just pathetic. It's funny too for all the hatred of Lieberman and the lionization of Gore, nothing is really said that Gore actually chose Lieberman as his running mate but they blame that on the DLC. They really overstate the DLC's power. I wish I still had the spreadsheet I did lsat spring on the makeup of the committee heads and leadership of the party, not too many were DLC and second off the DLC isn't this evil entity. It has good and bad people in it just like their side.

It's not just the election either, position on the issues matter!

You know it's funny that they whine that Kerry wasn't liberal enough yet I see nostalgia for Clinton all the time and calling Gore our most liberal nominee since McGovern. Bah I thikn they're seeing what they want to see. Clinton and Gore both passed on Kerry as a running mate, Clinton because of Kerry's alleged dovishness and Gore passed on him because he thought Lieberman would make him look more moderate and moral. I truly think they see what they want to see in candidates instead of reality. I mean these people whined about free trade agreements in the 2004 primaries but hated the biggest opponent of them running in Dick Gephardt and many would have refused to vote for a Kerry-Gephardt ticket.

That was classic, they had no idea who Gephardt was. He opposed welfare reform too. Other than the IWR, Gephardt is the exact kind of working man's populist candidate they all say they want. Much better record than Edwards, and he may well have been a better VP candidate too. I saw him on CSpan at a couple of union rallies, and he actually can get pretty fired up. I was excited about Edwards as VP, don't get me wrong, but looking back, Gephardt may have been the better choice for Ohio and Missouri. I don't know if the campaign didn't use Edwards and his family efficiently or what, but he really didn't deliver that rural vote the way I thought he would.

and can't get past them to see the substance?

But I think I'll save that. If he keeps doing what he's doing, rural voters will see him walking the walk, and that can make a difference for him in a couple of years.

just as they can be a boon in others.

Lots of people don't like "pretty boys", others flat out resent good looks altogether. The biggest complaint that I heard, though, was scratch the surface and there's nothing there. Who knows.

My grandparents home county of Cambria was won by Bush. Ohio and Missouri definely would have gone more Democratic with a guy like Gephardt. I really have a lot of admiration for Gephardt. My grandfather was a strong supporter of him.

Kerry was an unusually solid, experienced candidate. Although people thought Gephardt was dull, I really don't think Edwards was ever as exciting as the drooling press said he was.

Kind of funny when you think about it since I am anywhere near the demographic that prefered him but I thought he was great on economics and I liked how he handled his lesbian daughter as compared to the Cheneys. The hatred he got on DU I realize what it was about but still how can all these people who wanted "populists" be so shitty on the biggest one in the race.

If John Kerry had said that, DU would have exploded!

the amazing thing is that the current round of Gore lovin' is coming from the same people who voted for Nader five years ago.

Entitled "How many of you who are currently obsessed with Al Gore voted for Nader in 2000?"

several admitted it was true. In a way, I think that it may be good Kerry doesn't have the loonies now - they could actually hurt. Also, they are of the "If you don't do this (usually something quite stupid), you won't be my best friend any more". It's also clear we can't think of them as liberals - look at who the Dkos Gore voters migrate to if Gore isn't there - mostly to the conservative candidates.

As to Gore, I think Gore knows that if he runs, he will really be bashed by the Republicans. I think he can see that the level of nastiness has grown exponentionally since 2000. The negative press then was all pervasive but they threw nothing at him compared to what they did to Kerry. I suspect that he likely would have to be convinced that onlyhe could win for the Democrats - and I see nothing to suggest that's true.

I don't think it is the right decision for his family, and he knows it. The problem is that Gore is easily swayed, so this groundswell of support is making him waver and waffle about whether or not he might consider another run. Honestly, that in itself is troublesome - I don't really want for president someone who could be so easily swayed by a crowd like that. According to him and everyone, he was NOT interested in another run and has only recently begun waffling about it - not a good sign, IMO. And I like Gore too.

You're right, I'm glad the crazies have never gravitated to Kerry. They are more of a hindrance than a help. The 2004 election is a perfect example of how fanatical, hero-worshipping supporters of a candidate can hurt, rather than help, that candidate's cause.

crazies!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=212589&mesg_id=212589

Nader people who voted against Gore in 2000 will support him now because of the environment? Ah, the one issue wonders that make no sense!

I've questioned posters about this double standard before and have only been met with silence so far. That might be because there is NO good reason as to why JK should be hated for the same things that are being excused when they concern other Dems.

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