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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 09:43 AM
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Insurgents v. party regulars
Very interesting - and sensible - post.

http://www.bluemassgroup.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2459

Over and over again in the history of the Democratic Party, insurgent candidates and their people (Patrick, Bonifaz, Dean, Reich, Bradley) butt heads with party regulars and their people (Reilly, Galvin, Kerry, O'Brien, Gore). I've been on both sides (Patrick, Galvin, Dean, O'Brien, Gore), so maybe I have some useful observations, and hopefully they'll be unifying.

Regulars are often too insular. Many of them think they own the party and actively resist the arrival of new people. C'mon, these are reinforcements. We need the fresh blood of patriots - but unspilled.

Insurgents are often too self-entitled. Many assume that anything that goes against them is nefarious and illicit. C'mon, the regulars have been fighting the good fight for years; you can't expect to show up and run things just because you're young and beautiful and impatient. Good ideas are just talk unless you work to put them on the agenda and try to pass them.

lovable liberal :: Insurgents v. party regulars
Regulars carp that they've never seen the insurgents until they just showed up at a caucus. Insurgents sometimes encourage this by winning once and then never coming back to do the steady work of reform from within.

Insurgents often think that some ideal of fairness that they grasp intuitively can override the rules. They may be unhappy if you exclude them from voting at a caucus because they missed the deadline for registering as Democrats, as if the regulars are supposed to be able to see in their hearts that they really were Dems in time.

Process reforms can help these relationships work better. Transparency is a big one. I've been to at least six Mass. Democratic Conventions so I'm prepared for strange delays while the power brokers put the fix in. New people are very put off by this. I don't like it either, but the rules permit it. My desire to change those rules doesn't mean I'm blustering about changing their outcomes this time around.

Politics is both competitive and cooperative, a combination of hard ball and burying the hatchet. The rules are the rules, but we need to help each other when the primary is done.

Often in the past, we haven't helped each other. Scott Harshbarger would've been governor if both wings of the party regulars had cooperated. (Can't blame insurgents for that one.)

Modern campaigns need such deep organizations that those organizations have to be permanent. They can't be put together overnight. As Democrats, we are waaaay behind the Republicans on this...
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:32 AM
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1. Whome, this is an excellent
series of arguments. It's all true and all kind of sad. We have work to do in Blue Massachusetts. Imagine the kind of work Ohio has to do. (OMG.)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:46 AM
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2. Read me from EJDionne. Ahm, DU is not the wider world
Lessons for Liberals in California

By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Friday, June 9, 2006; Page A23

When it comes to spending their tax money, voters can be wary even of very good causes.

While the political world was obsessed with the Republican victory in a special election for a California congressional seat, the truly sobering news for liberals was in the statewide voting. Proposition 82, the ballot measure that would have guaranteed access to preschool for all of California's 4-year-olds, went down to resounding defeat, 61 to 39 percent.

Not only that, voters also rejected a $600 million bond measure for the state's libraries. A vote against libraries ? Yes, the bonds went down 53 to 47 percent.

And bear in mind that these spending measures appeared on a primary ballot at a time when Democrats were holding a fierce contest for their gubernatorial nomination, while Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger faced only token Republican opposition. There were roughly 500,000 more Democratic than Republican primary votes -- meaning that a significant number of Democrats voted against both propositions.

More at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/AR2006060801669.html

Sigh! Sigh! Sigh!

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:55 AM
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3. Not very surprising given that most mainstream democrats are
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 10:58 AM by Mass
going as far as possible from these types of programs, unfortunately.

Democrats need to talk again and again about the virtue of these programs, because the more limited programs Dionne is speaking about here do not work. They typically exclude the midlde class and are less effective than what could be done.

The other thing is that Reiner was not necessarily the best advocate for these programs (neither are people like Sheen or Angelina Jolie). These programs need people on the ground to advocate for them, to explain why it is better.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:56 AM
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4. Who was best at courting the selfish vote?
Edited on Fri Jun-09-06 10:57 AM by whometense
Seems to me, the repukes usually are.

If that's a demonstration of how liberal California is, no wonder they elected Ahnuld. It's also, sadly, a natural outgrowth of repuke fiscal policies. People feel pinched. They feel insecure. They are worried about their future, and they don't even want to think about their childrens' future. It's a lot harder to be generous, no matter how much long-term sense these things make, if you are trying to hold on to what little you have. That is the crux of the argument for lowering taxes. It appeals to peoples' fear and insecurity, which the Bushies are constantly raising. Vicious circle.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 10:58 AM
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5. Wow!
This should be posted in GD-P. I wonder how many of them knew what they were voting for?
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-09-06 12:37 PM
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6. Excuse me while I vomit
This is California, where the wealthiest are arguable Hollywood elite - supposedly oh-so-liberal. I guess only until it comes time to put their action where their mouths are. Cry me a river, please. They pay a whopping 9.5% income tax, and are stroking out over a humongous 1.5% increase to HELP CHILDREN???
I give up.
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