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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:52 PM
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Kerry speech coming up: New Thread for that. (#4)
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 07:53 PM by TayTay
Cuz he deserves his own thread in this group. :loveya: :patriot:
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:55 PM
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1. Menendez is great! Let us remember ....
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:56 PM
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2. Here he is! Poor guy. Got beat up on all day.
He deserves some recognition - a thank you for sticking his neck out like that.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:56 PM
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3. Ohhhh "non-debate"
Go Senator
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:56 PM
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4. Now I see the logic of JK going last.
So he can smack down the bastids.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:58 PM
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5. Ah, Sen. Kerry
Thanking Sen. Menendez. So nice to hear civil debate.

Ahm, he looks tired, but really good.

Yeah, go get 'em Senator. Smack 'em a round a little bit. This debate is skewed. They are getting personal and hiting people about patriotism. We support our troops, we just want to give them a plan and a mission and a goal to work for.

Tired of characterizing things as they aren't. Good line.

Iraq has Al Qaeda because of the Bush War. Everyone knows this. It's just spin not to say this simple truth. The civil war is Iraqi on Iraqi.

Get angry Senator. Let it all out. I understand.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:01 PM
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12. Did he say "Alerbama"?
Oh gee, another reason to :loveya: him.

You go JK. Get good and pissed off!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:04 PM
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18. Teh accent comes out when he's angry
and speaking off the cuff. The accent does come out sometimes. Alerbama is a sign of that.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:05 PM
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22. Yes, yes, yes
tell them why you had changes in the position. Tell them that the mistakes and incompetence dictate that a change is needed. A drastic change.

A folish consistency is indeed the hobgoblin of small minds. (Sessions, are you listening?)
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:58 PM
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6. 'Third war we've gone into' Sessions described war # 2 lol n/t
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:59 PM
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8. I love it when people get angry
This is great. I think Kerry is going to let them have it.

Yes. This is great. We believe in winning for America and for our troops. We can't win with this strategy. Bush screwed this up and the Rethugs in Congress refuse to acknowledge this.

Go get 'em :loveya:
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:01 PM
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13. oh yeah! He's kicking them up one side and down the other
and then he is wiping the floor with their carcasses. :bounce:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:58 PM
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7. Clear the distortion Senator!
Who the hell are we telegraphing to?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:01 PM
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15. Se are not winning the hearts and minds of anyone
We are enabling the hate in the Middle East. Ask the Foreign policy experts. We are creating more terrorists. We are less safe now than before the war.

Yeah, tear their argument to pieces. Tell the truth. And by the way, how dare you question my motives or patriotism. And stop lying about this amendment and what it says.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 07:59 PM
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9. real war on terror was never in Iraq, but has now been MADE
to be a part of Iraq.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:00 PM
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10. Kerry at his finest!
Righteous anger---go JK!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:00 PM
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11. Ooooo!
He's on fire!
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:01 PM
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14. I'm sorry ... I loved him in 2004, but THIS IS A DIFFERENT GUY
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 08:02 PM by demdiva
Seriously ... he's so off-the-cuff ... it's fantastic
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:03 PM
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17. Kick some ass Senator.
Tell them to 'Bite me you friggin bastids." Sigh! That's my Senator. :loveya:

Tell that little sand worm Sessions where he can stuff his 'you are helping destroy morale' argument. Stand up for all those troops who have said they don't know what the mission is.

This is awesome.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:11 PM
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28. I remember this guy very well
It's the guy I knew before the 'handlers' bottled up his best features. I remember this guy very well. That's my Senator :loveya: That's the guy I voted for all those times. Fired up and ready to call people out on their bullshit. That guy would make one hell of a President.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:12 PM
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31. Hopefully he still will :)
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:02 PM
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16. He's pissed
and he's wonderful.

Go get 'em, Senator. We love ya.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:04 PM
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19. Ha! Administration's record DEMANDS we tell them what to do!
You go, Senator!
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:04 PM
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20. "Their record demands that we should tell them what to do."
Speaking of the * administration.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:05 PM
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21. Intelligent and genuine! Please! Thanks Senator n/t
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:07 PM
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23. Ah, My plan saves lives, limbs and treasure
What else is there to say? Go Kerry go.

Sigh! Tell them they are lying bastids. Bring in the hypocricy of ignoring the opinion of the geneerals because you 'support the troops.' Sigh!
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:07 PM
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24. muddling along will cost more lives, more limbs, and more $$$
ain't that the truth!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:09 PM
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26. This is a plan!
It is a plan for taking Iraq seriously and getting the US out and getting Iraq up on it's feet and responsible for it's own security and future. (Implied thought is that Rethugs have no plan, just slogans .)
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:11 PM
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29. and what a plan it is!! I'm amazed at the details. All angles
are covered. Every single one of them. Contrast that to the rethugs ' stay the course'.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:13 PM
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32. I like the way
he waves it, as if to say see real, not fictitious crap pulled out of Ricky's ass!
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:13 PM
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33. seriously
the republicans always have a "secret plan"
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:15 PM
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36. and he specifically called out Biden
saying it was a plan. (Funny, Lieberman saying he was against both - called Kerry's a plan and Levin wasn't.)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:08 PM
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25. Be still my heart! So fired up, so earnest!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:10 PM
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27. Oh I just want to cry!
This man knows exactly how to save this country--why can't he be president??
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:11 PM
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30. I'm such a dork, but I seriously just teared up a little and I'm
sitting in my office
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:19 PM
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45. same here
He should be President and I bet deep down more than half the people in the Senate know it. Some are Democrats who did less than they could have - or who couldn't resist talking about themselves when they were surrogates. Some Republicans likley know that, though they disagree politically, he was by far the better man in every single way.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:14 PM
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34. Good. Tell them about all the mistakes they made
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 08:15 PM by TayTay
List all the ways that the Bushies and their enablers in the Republican Congress screwed over this effort. For god sake, that ammo that is killing our troops came from the incompetence and arrogance of not assigning someone to guard the ammo dumps.

Yeah, this is good stuff.

This is part of his recent speeches. I'm glad it will be in the Congressional record. This is good stuff.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:15 PM
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35. They could have...they chose not to... and they were wrong!!
And we're paying the price today. I love it :loveya:
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:16 PM
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41. Seriously, howmuch blood is on the hands of this Admin
because of sheer incompetence. How can they sleep nights.

Stop being campaigner in chief and be commander in chief. I always liked that line.

8 billion bucks a week. (He is fired up, his speech is more plain.)
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:20 PM
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47. I seriously hope other Senators are listening to him.
I doubt they are but there's always hope. They could learn a thing or two. That's for damn sure.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:20 PM
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48. he's probably, sadly, speaking to an almost empty room n/t
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:16 PM
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38. He could be there all night listing all the ways
the * administration has been wrong. The man is on FIRE! I'm so proud that he's my adopted Senator.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:17 PM
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43. did he call them liars?
I'm at a computer without cspan now! Dang I need a link for his speech!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:15 PM
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37. Cheney is absurd! n/t
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:16 PM
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39. Yes! Use their phrase against them! 'Cutting and Running'
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:16 PM
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40. Ohhh get that guy some water! He at least deserves that
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:16 PM
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42. Campaigner-In-Chief ...good one
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:19 PM
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44. Yeah, mention that. That is your moral authority Senator
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 08:19 PM by TayTay
You Saw the horror and waste of war up close. Most of the Rethugs have not. Bring this in, it is right to do so. These chicken-hawks are so quick to send others to war. They need to hear from someone who knows something of what the cost of these rash actions is.

Thanks Senator. By the way, no matter how many votes you get on this, you are morally right to do this.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:19 PM
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46. How many lives have been lost
because of lack of body armor, shells from unprotected ammo sumps, misjudgments.
Momentum was lost while we waited for Iraqis to form government. Troops don't deerve this.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:21 PM
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50. Oh, charts
This is good. How many Iraqis are trained and when does that signal that we can go home. (Either they are lying or they are just ignoring their own past statements. Probably both.)
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:26 PM
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52. cspan link please?
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:27 PM
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54. here you go
http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:28 PM
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56. thank you! I am at a computer lab and stole someone's headset
temporarily!
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:29 PM
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58. got it ok?
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:30 PM
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59. yes but Warner is on! YUCK
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:30 PM
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62. they are going back-and-forth
I don't think i've ever seen them do this
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:31 PM
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64. this is the traditional style of debate from days of yore
Not seen often these days...
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:32 PM
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66. LOL ... days of yore ...it's kind of cool
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:21 PM
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49. ooh, charts!
I love it when they do that!
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:22 PM
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51. He's got visual aides!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:28 PM
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55. Watch this fool change the subject! n/t
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:28 PM
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57. Warner chiding Kerry for not having a colloquy
Kerry said he would love to talk to Sen. Warner. He was not a real dickhead, or nt a serious dickhead today. (Yeah, I'd talk to him too. I wouldn't talk to Santorum or Session though.)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:30 PM
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61. I think it was Levin not Kerry he asked
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 08:31 PM by karynnj
he said "your side". This is actually interesting.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:30 PM
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60. I sort of like Warner and he is pissing me off
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:31 PM
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65. I mean how dare the Congress have legal power over the President
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 08:33 PM by demdiva
It's not like they are equal to the Executive ...oh wait ... YES THEY ARE
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:36 PM
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69. Hey, you are trying to tell the President what to do
Well, someone should. The President is risking other people's lives in a failed policy.

Why do you have a timetable, Sen. Kerry. We don't like actual legislation that actually tries to do something. That's unfair. We can't have actual action.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:37 PM
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71. ACTION ...and in an ELECTION YEAR...gasp
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 08:38 PM by demdiva
HOW DARE YOU SENATOR ???
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:26 PM
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53. Final words (with a bit of paraphrasing)
There are occassions when a generation faces a struggle between good and evil. There is good and there is evil in this world. What radical extremists are doing in the name of religion is evil. But we have to stand up to evil in the best traditions of our country. We have to stand up to evil in a way that we bring people to our side. It's a failure in our policy and it's a failure that makes the United States less secure, not more secure. The bottomline is they aren't waiting for anything today ...they're not waiting now. Unless we resolve these issues, this will continue and this will get worse.

In a moment of ideological excess, this administration has managed to destroy the cradle of civilization.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:31 PM
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63. Warner spinning
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:35 PM
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67. Warner making Kerry's case, in a way, by saying it took Iraqis
18 months to even form a government. Well, that's WHY they need a deadline, so they'll quit dragging their heels.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:37 PM
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70. Warner was trying to trip JK up it seems,
but he's in fact allowing him to make his point more clearly.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:39 PM
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73. i agree
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:40 PM
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I know he doesn't want our troops in the middle of a civil war.
(nice!)
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:35 PM
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68. awwweee..yeah ....steal the stage back
I LOVE this ...
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:38 PM
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72. he's really passionate.
thanks for the link.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:39 PM
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74. anytime! I owed you anyway for being a brat earlier :)
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:41 PM
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76. lol!
:kick:
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:40 PM
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75. I love this.
How many other Senators (D or R) would be able to speak intelligently off the cuff like these two are doing? I could name a few who couldn't. I know it used to be a tradition, but I think many Senators have gotten dumber since the tradition was alive and kicking.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:41 PM
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77. like british parliament or german pol. debate! This is good! n/t
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:41 PM
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78. I agree! These are NOT talking points!
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:43 PM
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80. excellent comeback about the European Union!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:45 PM
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82. This is great
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:42 PM
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79. This is THE BEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 08:43 PM by demdiva
Seriously ...props to Warner too. I don't agree with him, but this is real.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:46 PM
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87. boy, do I agree.
What a shock! Civilized discussion! Mutual respect!!! Why, it's, it's....THE SENATE. Welcome back - even if only for this evening.

Unbelievable. I don't agree with much of what Warner is saying, but bless him for treating Kerry with complete seriousness.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:47 PM
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89. Yeah ,,, he is actually helping make this a real thing
Not that it shouldn't be real, but so many in the MSM were downplaying the seriousness of it
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:43 PM
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81. This is an actual debate.
Why no EU involvement? Because the EU has no faith in this Admin or the course they have laid out. Yeah this is an imposing amendment that seeks to tell the President what to do. That's because he has no direction.

Iran is the winner in all this.

Nice back and forth.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:48 PM
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91. I can't even remember the last time
I saw anything close to this between a democrat and a republican.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:48 PM
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92. ditto
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:49 PM
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94. This is a great debate
and what it really shows is how truely smart and informed Kerry is. Warner is actually sharper than I ever thought he was.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:45 PM
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83. dang! I'm running for Congress! Listen to their vacation times!
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 08:46 PM by ray of light
(Listen to Kerry chuckle at the question about vacation time and 'when they would provide the oversight.)

Um Warner, dear, it's YOUR JOB before vacation!
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:46 PM
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85. yeah but you have to go home and raise money :)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:45 PM
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84. Warner is a crackpot! He's talking about vacation in August!
WTF?
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:46 PM
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86. it's so weird
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:47 PM
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88. Yeah, Congress will sit only 94 or so days this year.
They only really work Tuesday through Thursday most weeks. And they get a lot of weeks off. I would love that schedule.

On the other hand, some Senators are wicked busy and do a lot when they are not in the Senate.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:48 PM
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93. Computer lab is closing. I'll miss the rest of this now. (bummer)
NOTETAKERS....!!!
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:49 PM
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96. CSpan will assuredly have this up later
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:50 PM
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98. I hope so. I'm being kicked out. (waaaaahhhh
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:47 PM
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90. Kerry says 'we'll debate this one way or another' so if they were
to agree on the amendment (never happen, but in case) Warner would not get a vacation :rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:49 PM
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95. Is Warner trying to say it's impossible to do diplomacy? n/
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:49 PM
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97. Why do they still talk through the Senate president ?
I thought they were allowed to address each other directly now.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:50 PM
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99. it sounds more civilized somehow ?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:51 PM
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101. Senate protocol
Not understandable by ordinary humans. Too complicated. Just enjoy the rarity of an actual debate. Can you even imagine if this was Santorum or Session or anyone besides Warner.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:53 PM
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104. I don't think I want to even entertain that thought...shudder
Sanitorium (coined by Tony Soprano and I love it) or Sessions would end up shrieking in unintelligible noises, like a crazy street preacher.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:13 PM
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134. My husband just commented on this.
He's a town meeting member - Roberts Rules of Order. Arcane, but it's the rulebook they follow.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:50 PM
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100. John Kerry is LOVING this debate.
You can just tell it. I also get the impression that he thinks there are things that are more important than going on vacation in August. Why the hell isn't he president?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:52 PM
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103. I know he does, but it is dangerous.
Any of what he said in this debate can be taken in isolation and attacked by the right or the left.

Expect this to happen. (for example, he just endorsed the flexible timetable, which obviously makes sense, but is going to be attacked by both directions).
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:55 PM
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107. That is in the resolution
There is always a clause that states that if things change, then we need to adapt.

That is what is wrong with this Admin, they don't adapt or learn.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:12 PM
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132. MSNBC
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 09:14 PM by politicasista
has been attacking him all evening. blm posted about it in GD. Shame. :(
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:59 PM
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145. He has ht a nerve. They are over reacting. Why all the fuss over
an amendment that is going to be defeated? Kerry poses a threat and that is why the attack dogs have been.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:54 PM
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143. He didn't so much endorse it as saying it is always open for debate.
It can be brought up in Congress and debated.
I thought he was being set up with that too, but he deferred well IMO.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:56 PM
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144. I loved this debate and in a logical world, this is how govt would be
led, but unfortunately, it is not a logical world. On such a controversial matter, Kerry had a lot of courage to do this debate.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:01 PM
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146. I know, it was as if I was watching history in the making while watching
it. If only our government could be this civil again. Then, Sessions began to speak and I had to come back down to reality.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:52 PM
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102. So I just got home - how long has this debate been going on?
Kerry is exquisite.
Right on target, putting Warner to shame.

G-d I love that man!
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:53 PM
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105. Kerry spoke for abour half-an-hour and they've been debating
for another half-an-hour past that
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:56 PM
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108. What about Russ? Did he speak yet?
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:57 PM
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109. yes ....it seems like a longggg time ago now!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:54 PM
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106. Kerry: we are in civil war now.
Excellent statement. I have to get the transcript of this tomorrow. Too bad the MSM won't see or care aobut this, it's excellent. A real good airing of the issues.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 08:59 PM
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110. "Need to adopt a policy of reality here."
I love that!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:01 PM
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111. Too bad America can't see this.
It's a really good debate. This is the best debate on the whole Iraq situation that I have yet seen.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:07 PM
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120. A great debate - the tone is amazing from 2 oppossing sides.
Kerry keeps things running smooth.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:01 PM
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112. Excellent! Moral responsibility!
The two soldiers are casualties of a failed policy!
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:02 PM
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113. Awe...that was nice
He just defended his Silver Star
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:15 PM
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136. Did he speak up about the swifties?
I believe Warner just said that he personally checked Kerry's silver star recommendation, and that "everything was correct." I hope someone's got that taped.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:04 PM
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147. Actually I do - but better yet it will be in Thomas
So, we can easilly pull it out when needed - Warner was the Secretary of the Navy when Kerry got it. So this is the highest possible source. (The CIC is dead.)
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:24 AM
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150. That's pretty much what he said
But he also said "I know it was right and you know it was right" ... the pretense was the that there were "people" saying the opposite and they were wrong.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:15 PM
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137. That was nice
Also the very fact that he had the debate showed a lot of respect. This is a bill that Kerry introduced to push the issue. He knew that he didn't even have half the Democrats. This may be among the kindest things anyone did towards Kerry today. He also did see some good in what Kerry said - though he fundamentally disagrees with a time table.

Contrast with Sessions now.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:03 PM
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114. I think Warner likes Kerry
and feels bad about what McConnell/Frist did last week. His comments on Kerry's Silver Star are just wonderful. (Tears.)

Warner is at least sincere in his desire to have Iraq be more stable before the troops are drawn down. This is so unlike the Rethugs who just want to slap down the opposition.

Honestly, I actually have a :patriot: for Warner.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:04 PM
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116. They have a Navy connection ... that's a strong bond
I think he does like Kerry and I totally appreciate the respect he's showing him
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:04 PM
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117. he just ruined it by talking about the coalition forces
WHICH ONES??? They're abandoning us in droves, the fifteen that came to help.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:07 PM
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121. Warner is arguing against himself here
He questioned the EU's willingness to come into the fight and then cited the British as strong allies. Ahm, the British people are not happy about this war. Tony Blair is in deep trouble and won't be PM much longer. We will soon be alone.

So which is it? Are we screwed and can't get anyone to come into a coalition or do we have allies?
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:08 PM
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122. Yeah ...he's a goner
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:09 PM
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128. Kerry said "they're pulling down."
I think he didn't want to specifically say that Poland is out be the end of the year - maybe because it could change.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:16 PM
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138. Warner said,
WHAT ABOUT POLAND!!!!!!!!!!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Okay, I'm still appreciating his efforts here, but that was funny.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:08 PM
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148. Me too, and the mention of the Silver Star was unexpected and
actually a nice thing to do. It brought tears to my eyes too.Maybe it is the constant thrashing and attacks on Kerry, but this seemed like such a nice gesture on Warner's part.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:04 PM
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115. What about Poland?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:06 PM
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118. Lol - and didn't some other country pull troops out today?
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:06 PM
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119. Korea just this week pulled out I remember hearing
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:08 PM
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123. Who is left besides Britian?
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:08 PM
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124. Japan withdrawl will take "weeks"
TOKYO Jun 20, 2006 (AP)— Japan's withdrawal of some 600 ground troops from southern Iraq will take "several dozen days," defense chief Fukushiro Nukaga said Tuesday.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2096095
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:09 PM
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126. oh....you're right ...Japan does make more sense, huh?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:08 PM
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125. Japan redeployed 600 troops
outside of the war zones.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:17 PM
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139. Unreal - who IS left?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:10 PM
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130. Thread 5 coming up
This one is full up. Although I don't think this will last much longer.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:09 PM
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127. Warner is playing us!
Look how we bitched about him earlier, and now we talk of him as civil, friendly, etc. That nice old man, indulging that krazy Kerry.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:10 PM
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129. No no ..Kerry is not krazy
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:11 PM
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131. heh, I know! But Warner is trying to get public sympathy on their
side by playing the understanding, patient statesman. Of course Kerry blew him out of the water during the debate, and he most certainly is very sane :-)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 10:12 PM
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149. I 'll take him being nice to Kerry. Tomorrow, he will deny it all.
He figured the Repubs weren't watching.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:12 PM
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133. That was great! Definitely against indefinite, but definite...LOL! n/t
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:13 PM
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135. Was Sessions dropped on his head as a baby?
Kind of sounds like it.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:18 PM
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140. lol - is that what his problem is?
I've always wondered.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:20 PM
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142. He sounds like Forrest Gump. His enunciation is the same, too
LIFE is LIKE a BOX of CHOCOLATES. mr PRESIDENT I would JUST like to make a COUPLE....
holy mackerel!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-21-06 09:19 PM
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141. Was Sessions a baby?
Edited on Wed Jun-21-06 09:21 PM by whometense
I picture him emerging from the womb in a suit and a little pursed mouth, like Stewie.
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