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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 10:12 PM
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How about a game?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 10:59 PM
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1. Strange comment
The article infers it's about things like gay marriage, but that doesn't work with the second part of Clinton's statement, that we do it to inflame their base. Not only would that make no sense, it's pretty clear the move towards gay marriage is pushed by those it is most important to - people who want to marry their significant others and their friends and relatives.

Other than Newsome of San Francisco, I don't think any Democratic politicians welcomed the issue.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 08:25 AM
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2. It is a strange comment!
There is an excellent post from a Gore supporter in the thread.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 12:02 PM
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3. I don't pretend to
understand her at all.

She just makes no sense to me. Her positions are all garbled and inconsistent, and everything she says seems to be either positioning or pandering or posturing.

I know people said the same things about Kerry. I also know I'm prejudiced, but I've always been able to see who he is clearly, even if I don't agree with a particular position. With HRC, not so much.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 12:19 PM
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4. Hard to say
But what I think is going on with Clinto, imho, is that she is trying to establish herself as the viable alternative to Kerry in '08. Frankly, he is the only serious threat to her candidacy, and she and Bill know it. So it looks like she is trying to embrace positions that are mostly different from Kerry's, with only a periodic overlapping in the typical meat-and-potatoes issues of the Dems. So far, it seems like she is indirectly reacting to Kerry with her statements, and not being proactive.
It'll be interesting to see who garners which supporters, and who can maintain that support. Personally, I think Clinton's cautious, moderate approach may be her Waterloo for '08.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:25 PM
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5. Atrios post states the NYT article took the qoute out of context!
I'd just hit publish on an angry post about Hillary Clinton when the full transcript arrived in my inbox. From the New York Times:

ROGERS, Ark., July 15 — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, returning to her red-state ties, chastised Democrats Saturday for taking on issues that arouse conservatives and turn out Republican voters rather than finding consensus on mainstream subjects.

Snip...

Clinton obviously meant no such thing. The "we" was Congress, as led by Republicans, not Democrats. Here's the bit:


You have to ask yourself, we have all these problems, and we have solutions sitting out there, why can't we move in the right direction? And it really comes down to a difference in values and philosophy. You know the nine women Democratic Senators, anybody see us on Larry King's show? We put out what we call our Checklist for Change. I don't know about you, but I am a list maker. I guess it's like a part of the DNA for women. I make lists about lists. And so we were talking one day and saying, you know, we as individuals, we have all of this legislation, we can't get it on the floor of the Senate. We can't get a vote on it because the Republican majority wants to vote on other things. So we pulled all our best ideas together. Wouldn't this be a good agenda for America: safeguard America's pensions; good jobs for Americans; make college affordable for all; protect America and our military families; prepare for future disasters; make America energy independent; make small business and healthcare affordable, invest in life saving science; and protect our air, land, and water. You know, Blanche Lincoln has a bill to make healthcare affordable for small business, I have a bill I was talking to you about with respect to energy independence, we have legislation sitting in the Senate to address these problems. But with the Republican majority, that's not their priority. So we do other things, we do things that are controversial, we do things that try to inflame their base so that they can turn people out and vote for their candidates. I think we are wasting time, we are wasting lives, we need to get back to making America work again, in a bipartisan, nonpartisan way."


more...


http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_07_16_atrios_archive.html#115306675335323628



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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:11 AM
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6. i just saw this in GD Politics. how the fuck can these assholes get away
with this ? it's just totally misrepresenting and lying about what was said and done. NYT is supposed to be a major "respectable" paper.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 02:41 PM
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7. The NYT must
have it in for Clinton:

Senator Clinton Speaks Up for Israel at U.N. Rally

By PATRICK HEALY
Published: July 17, 2006
Speaking at a boisterous rally for Israel near the United Nations headquarters this afternoon, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said she supported taking “whatever steps are necessary” to defend Israel against Hamas, Hezbollah, Iraq and Syria in the military conflict in the Middle East.

Snip...

“We will support her efforts to send a message to Hamas, Hezbollah, to the Syrians, to the Iranians,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We will not permit this to happen and we will take whatever steps are necessary.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/17/world/17cnd-hillary.html



Iraq? It isn't mentioned in the direct quote!
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 04:40 PM
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8. This is so unfair to her
She is getting the same treatment Kerry got (and is still getting). Here is the NYT making, and skewing the news, instead of reporting it.
I still think she is trying to establish herself as an alternative candidate to Kerry, but really, the way they make her out to be is NOT who she really is and what she stands for.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 04:59 PM
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9. No surprise there
Ann Kornblut and Patrick Healey, who have written the most questionable articles about Sen. Clinton, worked for the Boston Globe and did the same thing to Sen. Kerry over the years. Sigh!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 05:07 PM
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10. Welcome to the Boston Globe reporting. This should not surprise
any Kerry supporters, but at least, it shows that this treatment is not reserved to Kerry.
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