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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:10 PM
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Grist.org may be misleading readers about JK's environmental policies
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 03:16 PM by demdiva
An article entitled “The Gas Menagerie” was posted today on Grist Magazine, www.grist.org, an online site for environmental news and commentary. This article, noted John Kerry and Hillary Clinton's votes against raising CAFÉ standards in 2005.

http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2006/07/26/fuel-econ/index.html?source=daily

The Gas Menagerie
Obama leads bipartisan effort to raise fuel-economy standards

--snip --

Together with seven other senators -- Joe Biden (D-Del.), Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), Norm Coleman (R-Minn.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Dick Lugar (R-Ind.), and Gordon Smith (R-Ore.) -- Obama introduced legislation last week that would raise fuel-economy standards for cars and light trucks sold in the U.S. by 4 percent, or about one mile per gallon, each year. Its sponsors say the bill would reduce America's oil consumption by 1.3 million barrels daily within a decade; that amounts to 16 percent of the current consumption of America's passenger vehicle fleet of 8 million barrels per day.

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But while Hwang says he thinks the bill has a "50-50 chance" of passing in the Senate, Becker is not so optimistic. "I'd be lying to you if I said this had a decent chance of passing in this Congress," he said. "The automakers' stranglehold on Washington is too tight."

This was evident in 2005, the last time a Senate fuel-economy measure was proposed, when a whopping 67 senators -- including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton -- voted against it. And though fuel-economy advocates led by Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.) have recently been building steady support for a CAFE reform bill in the House, the Republican leadership has refused to allow a vote on it, fearing it might come too close to passing.

Unless there's a dramatic shift in the congressional makeup after this November's midterm election, contends Becker, the only hope of passing fuel-economy increases in the near future would be "a major supply disruption that sends gas prices through the roof, double or triple where they are today." Sadly, such a disruption -- which could be triggered by a terrorist attack on pipelines or refineries due to escalating conflict in the Middle East -- looks more conceivable than ever.


I found this statement about a CAFÉ standards vote on www.johnkerry.com

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=244878&

John Kerry Says Proposed Fuel Economy Standards Don’t Address Problems with Foreign Oil, High Gas Prices

Senator John Kerry today issued the following statement on the new Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards.

“This is a pessimistic decision. It says that America won’t (be) innovative, won’t lead and won’t create a better future through better technology like we know we can. It is backward looking, and it will bring us more dependence on unreliable foreign oil, more pollution and higher gasoline costs for American families. It protects the status quo and is another lost opportunity to help our security, economy and environment.”


I’m confused. Does anyone know more about John Kerry’s vote on CAFÉ standards last year????
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:22 PM
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1. Nothing misleading. He voted against the CAFE standards. Whatever his
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 03:24 PM by Mass
reasons, he chose to vote against the CAFE standards while it was a symbolic vote and the only one in the year. He could have made a statement for a strong committment to this issue. He did not. We have no reason to be surprised Grist's article, particularly as they have been honest on him all the time.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:34 PM
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2. But the statement on his website says the vote was "pessimistic"
Is it just that he didn't think the standards went far enough?

Anyway, I think the article is misleading. It says that it won't pass because of "automakers' stranglehold on Washington" and then immediately says Kerry and Clinton didn't vote for it.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:38 PM
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3. The statement does not refer to the Durbin amendment. It refers to Bush's
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 03:42 PM by Mass
new CAFE standards.

Kerry explained why he voted against the Durbin amendment. He said it was because it was poorly drafted and did not reach the goal he wanted and helped foreign automakers even if they did sell clean cars in the US. Technically, it is probably true, but there was NO chance for this amendment to pass anyway. This was a choice between two messages: one that he supported the CAFE standards and one that he supported the US automakers, whatever they did. He chose the second one.

We know he supports CAFE standards, but through this vote, this is NOT the message he chose to give. You cant reproach Grist to say so.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:56 PM
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5. Thanks for the help. I need to read the old bills.
I also found this article about it by the same author earlier in the year.
http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2006/05/11/cafe/

NRDC energy expert Ashok Gupta hopes the legislation's sponsors will add a clear directive calling for stronger auto fuel-economy standards. But, he said, even in its current form, the bill "stipulates oil-savings targets ambitious enough that the White House would inevitably be forced to promote increases to fuel efficiency one way or another." Gupta argues that the ambitious oil-savings targets in Bingaman's bill are far more politically practicable than stronger CAFE standards, particularly in an election year.

"Like it or not, Detroit still has tremendous sway in Washington," says Gupta. He notes that in the last Senate vote on CAFE, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry (D-Mass) voted against raising standards, presumably because burning bridges with the auto lobby could hamper their presidential ambitions.




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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:10 PM
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7. On edit, just to clarify
You think the bill wasn't going to pass anyway, so Kerry figured, why piss off the automakers????
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:14 PM
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9. Yep.
He had to piss off somebody, and he decided it was better to piss off environmentalists than automaker unions. To his defense, however, he did not vote for the Levin amendment either, that was directly written by the automobile industry.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:02 PM
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12. Ah, it is misleading. And completely unfair
Kerry put this in the Congressional Record after the June 2005 vote on Durbin's amendment:

Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I support what Senator Durbin is trying to achieve with this amendment regarding CAFE standards. Over the past few years, I have looked closely at this issue and believe strongly that we need a consensus path forward. I do not believe, however, that Senator Durbin's amendment or Senator Bond's amendment will achieve that goal. I have followed closely the information available from the National Academy of Sciences and have spoken with labor groups, automobile manufacturers, and environmental groups. We can, and must, significantly increase the efficiency of our automobile fleet, but we cannot do it without creating new incentives for automobile manufacturers to retool plants to produce advanced technology, more efficient vehicles, and lead the way toward an energy-independent America.


If anyone had bothered to look they could have seen the follow through on that at the 6/26/06 speech in Boston:

Building the cars of the future – fuel-efficient, advanced-technology vehicles – will require automakers and their suppliers to retool their factories. I believe the federal government has a responsibility to help them remain competitive. Tax credits will help support the necessary investments, make the new technologies cost effective, and create jobs for the workers who will build the cars of the future and help consumers buy them. We should commit $3 billion to this effort in tax credits over the next five years – tax credits that will not only help reduce oil dependence but which will pay for themselves through tax revenue generated by the growth and productivity that follow.

But like all the funding in my proposal, let’s not leave it subject to the whims of Congress and an army of appropriators. We need to create a new security and conservation trust fund to guarantee the resources to move the nation towards energy independence. This isn’t a matter of capacity, it’s a matter of willpower. We have the money, the question is whether we have the right priorities. Just by rolling back the tax breaks for big oil which even President Bush opposes, and by renegotiating oil leases, we can invest in a fund for energy security.

Instead of a tax code that works for the K Street lobbyists, let’s provide an aggressive set of tax incentives and grants to ensure that by 2020, 20 percent of all passenger cars and trucks on the road will be fuel efficient, low emissions hybrid vehicles. Sure, hybrid vehicles are more expensive today. But they don’t have to be if we put a little presidential muscle behind them. The doors of college were only open to the rich and powerful until President Lincoln pioneered a system of Land Grant Colleges that gave us UMass and URI and the University of Connecticut. After World War II, highways and roads were underfunded by local governments and some were unusable until President Eisenhower pushed through a national highway system. You want hybrid vehicles out on those highways? Make it affordable for Americans to buy American hybrids – because that’s a hell of a lot better than subsidizing Saudi sheiks who look the other way while madrassas teach kids hatred and violence.


This is the answer to what he said last year. Kerry doesn't just want the emptiness of passing non-madatory CAFE standards. So he went and wrote provisions for exactly how to pay for what he wants. He did not sell-out to the industry and he did not backtrack from his positions. He followed through on it and delivered one of the best environmental packages in the Congress in the last 20 years.

And Kerry voted AGAINST that energy bill. The bill came back from the conference committee and the final report pissed Kerry off big time. He gave a fiery and sarcastic speech on the floor of the Senate that excoriated the bill and the fact that even the fake and non-mandatory provisions were taken out. Ahm, you could, as they say, look it up.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Conference Report (Conference Report H. R. 6 )
Vote Number: 213 Vote Date: July 29, 2005, 12:50 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Conference Report Agreed to
Measure Number: H.R. 6 (Energy Policy Act of 2005 )
Measure Title: To ensure jobs for our future with secure, affordable, and reliable energy.
Vote Counts: YEAs 74
NAYs 26

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:36 PM
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15. How is it misleading. Kerry did NOT vote for this amendment and it is all
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 09:39 PM by Mass
they say. They dont say he does not support them. They note he did not vote for this amendment and that is what he did. I felt sorry this day because I really felt it was a bad choice and I continue to feel he was wrong.

It seems just another case where Kerry was a leader, but has let somebody else be the leader. He makes his own choices, I imagine. Why is he not a cosponsor of this bill?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:43 PM
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16. Because he has his own bill!
He just gave a big speech at Faneuil Hall that said, I have this bill, it's kind of comprehensive, I plan on introducing it into Congress, it calls for mandates and pays for itself.

Why aren't they talking up his bill? Where is the support for this comprehensive review of American energy policy. This is one of the most sweeping pronouncements on energy, the environment and conservation of the last 20 years.

Why hasn't anyone else co-sponsored it?
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 12:24 PM
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17. Thanks .... this was very helpful
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:54 PM
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4. I think that Kerry is right
you can say what you want about CAFE standards but they are really not the answer. I like Kerry's remarks.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 03:58 PM
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6. So you think he is saying they just don't do enough????
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 04:11 PM by demdiva
What is the alternative????
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:12 PM
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8. That is exactly what the statement says: that Bush does not do enough.
but, as I said earlier, it has nothing to do with the Grist article.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:43 PM
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11. Yeah...that makes sense. I was more inquiring
about Kerry's position because I was confused then making a judgment.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 04:17 PM
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10. Yes
that they are not enough. Not that they don't do something but that we have to go further then just CAFE standards.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:47 PM
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13. If they vote for these bills
They get accused of voting for the corporate whoring bush sell-out bill. They really can't win for losing with some of these groups. It's a shame some of these groups use these votes to manipulate ill-will towards the Democrats, then wonder why Democrats always lose because "they're all the same".
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 09:34 PM
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14. Grist was talking about the Durbin amendment, not the energy Bill itself.
Sorry he voted against it and it is ALL grist is saying.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:49 PM
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18. I agree with all your posts
Whatever the reason, he voted against this and so they have every right to call him on it. He can explain why he did.
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