Our 2008 Ticket: Personal Choice vs. Actual Prediction

'Would like DUers' input on three questions:

1) Which two candidates do you think will actually constitute the Democratic ticket in 2008;



2) Which two candidates would YOU personally choose if you were the lone powerbroker;


and


3) In which city should the 2008 Democratic convention be held?

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'Will respond after people have had some time to offer input.

TIA.

1 - Edwards and Obama
2 - If I knew they would win ... Edwards and Sheila Jackson Lee
Best chance of winning ... Clark and Richardson or Rendell
3 - Minneapolis or Milwaukee (blue upper midwest)

Well, actually, that's exactly why I say it.

My prediction

1)the actual ticket will be someone dreary like Bayh/Rendell. They'll go on to lose 45 states and the leadership will say we need to move even FURTHER right.

My preference
1)Feingold/Jackson Lee or Obama/Salazar, with a mass grassroots campaign of political education and voter registration starting NOW.

3)Hold the convention in Houston or Miami and have Sheila Jackson Lee or Jim Hightower give the keynote speech. Also, lose the luxury boxes and consider holding the convention outdoors, perhaps in a football stadium or at a large open area with everyone welcome and
plenty of cookouts and singing. It's stupid to make our convention just like the Republicans are.

(Alternative idea-hold the convention in a closed down plant in Youngstown, Ohio or Flint, Michigan, and fight hard on the class issue using the site as a galvanizing point. Yuppies aren't worth our time.)

I'm worth my time and my money to the party, count on it, they do.

You would, at least, agree with me general point that Democrats need to be a workers party who talk truth to power about class and race and poverty, wouldn't you?

demokatgurrl. It's awesome.

(And true!)

with Biden SOD / Edwards SOS / Graham NID / Clark Homeland Security

He needs to play a huge role in Democratic politics from this point forward.

Your other choices ain't bad either.

Except for I mean it (even if it is my city too) after all, we ought to hold it in a heavily blue city isn't in the Northeast and that is in a state which is getting dangerously close to red. Minneapolis 2008!

Convention in Cincinnati ....

Kerry, in spite of Conyers efforts into the Ohio recount was of little help for thosse who wanted to save his ass -- he gave up too quickly.

-- would be a strategic choice, too.

Yes. I could see it.

Hold the convention on the roof of a tall building in Atlanta, so it might get some coverage.

Boxer and Conyers are almost the only Dems left in Congress, with real spine.

1. Richardson-Feingold (Richarson is strong in SW and helps win New Mexixo, Nevada, Colorado, Feingold helps win Iowa and helps in Ohio)
2. Dean-Gore (if Dean wins DNC chair then Kerry-Obama)
3. Columbus or Cleveland (or anywhere else in Ohio)

No democrat can win, not Clinton, not Gore, not Jesus Christ

So it makes no difference where the convention will be held.

It makes no difference what my personal preferences are at this moment. Ask me in three years IF something has been done to insure a fair vote counting procedure. If not, don't bother.

In 3 years I might have an idea. If they don't fix the voting process, it doesn't matter.

If WE don't fix the voting process!
Believe me this is not something any of us can wait for 'them' to fix. It is up to us.
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Call me old-fashioned, but I'm still in the ballgame.

I support any federal legislation to insist on re-countable and verifiable ballots. Barbara Boxer, by the way, introduced such legislation this year, and is likely to re-introduce it next year. I expect to do whatever I can to support her. She's wonderful.

Meanwhile, I enjoy DUers' comments on candidacies and strategies surrounding the democratic process.

The only credible anti-fraud choices. Well, OK in the House there are others such as Tubbs-Jones and Jackson-Lee, but Boxer and Conyers would have the most name recognition I think. They have also demonstrated a willingness to battle the Fascists hand to hand.

There is no point at all, nominating anybody who failed to vote against the Ohio electors. They will be guaranteed a loss because they'll do nothing to oppose the next stolen election.

Sen. Evan Bayh and Sen. Blanche Lincoln!
Bayh/ Lincoln 2008

Actually, I doubt they would even carry ONE state. Maybe DC, I guess.

Or Rhode Island, Deleware, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, and Maryland for that matter. Not saying that they are necesarilly a winning ticket but your argument that they would be a 50 state loosing team is ridiculous.

-- were the lone powerbroker and you have done that. If this ticket runs, count on me to pass out a million brochures.

No complaints from my house on this one.

the Republicans will still own the voting machines (which will be in EVERY state), and Republican corporations will still count the votes . . . you think Congress is going to reform the voting process between now and then? . . . if so, think again . . .

-- disappear, then?

I doubt if the English King wanted to sign the Magna Carta, but the movement had long passed critical mass, and if he wanted to keep his nuts in their socket, he was damned well going to sign the document.

History can make things happen. I say we work toward a more accountable voting system and NOT GIVE UP in the meanwhile.

with every ounce of energy they can muster . . . instead, we see constant capitulatin and enabling . . . unless they get their act together and seriously oppose BushCo, I have no use for them . . .

-- the higher expression of our constitutional democracy.

There's been ballot box stuffing in this country and other nations for as long as there've been elections, but that was never an excuse for someone to dismiss the overriding power of self-determination. It didn't scare off Madison and Franklin, and I think they were pretty sturdy folks.

Your point about the fraud factor is extremely well taken and I have no quarrel with it. Barbara Boxer and others have been forging legislation to ensure re-countable and confirmable vote tallies in every precinct of the country. Conyers' efforts will likely result in that sort of reform as opposed to a recount of the Ohio vote specifically (or only).

I expect that most people who concur with you about voter fraud are within the Democratic Party. You'll have few allies over on the other side.

DON'T LEAVE THE HOUSE! HELL, DON'T EVEN POST ON THE INTERNET! JUST STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR LIVING ROOM AND KEEP SPINNING IN CIRCLES LOOKING FOR HIM!!!!!!!


Sigh...

they'll have to elect some Dems in order to keep up the appearance of government as usual. Anyway, Republicans, let alone Democrats, don't pull the strings of power. Don't you know that you have to sell your soul now in order to be part of the political cadre?

I doubt anyone would have imagined or chosen Kerry or Edwards. So with over 3-1/2 years till the next one, I would have to think predictions are meaningless; one or both will likely be someone not even on the horizon right now.

As for my personal picks, choosing from among the known list, I would be happy with Kerry, Edwards, Gore, Richardson, Bredesen, Obama, Dean, Boxer... doesn't matter. I'd vote for a Spongebob/Patrick ticket if I thought it would mean a Democratic White House.

At this point, I'm just hoping enough Bushit hits the fan that it won't matter who gets the ticket, and we can coast to victory. Between now and 2008, I'll be busy doing what I can to dig up that shit, and making the sure the fan stays on high speed.

But do ask again in a couple of years, and save the replies from this post. It might be interesting!

I'm too much of a political desperado to wait that long.

There is a Durational Expectancy quota to answer to, for me at least. I expect to wait no more than 15 minutes for a cup of coffee at a diner, no more than 45 minutes or so for a pizza delivery, and I need my political fixes more or less constantly.

When I volunteer for a candidate, I usually do it early on. I've been speculating about nominees since I was in my early teens, and the interest level is still high.

I don't want to wait until the end of 2006 for things to get started. I think we should start getting organized now, and whup some ass in '08.

1) Wesley Clark/Mark Warner (I think we can appeal to the South with these 2 candidates)

2) John Kerry/John Edwards (I still love those guys, sorry)

3) New Orleans (again, keeping with the Southern emphasis)

Loved both your tickets. And even voted for one of them in a fairly recent election...

God do I hate George W. Bush!

Anyway, New Orleans would be a great choice, I think. Your proposed tickets hold water and much appeal, too.

Thank you.

I'm hoping that by 2008, everyone will be so fed up with BushCo that our candidates will win in a landslide. We really need a President that can bring back some respect from the international community as well, and one that can help put an end to our involvement with Iraq (which I'm afraid will still be going on 4 years from now, at the cost of many more of our soldiers and Iraqi civilians).

If he runs again, he'll just strip himself of dignity.
Better he should stay in the Senate.

it is probable he DID win.If any thing he proved he can win.

Kerry - Edwards (still way, way better than Bush-Cheney)
Edwards - Richardson
Edwards - Alexis Herman
Edwards - Warner
Edwards - Obama
Clark - Bayh
Clark - Richardson
Clark - Warner
Richardson - Feingold
Robert Redford - Bill Cohen
(One Blue Sky put Redford's name up -- I agree Redford
would be formidable)
Hillary - Richardson
Hillary - Dorgan
Bill Moyers - Alexis Herman (my dream ticket)
Dean - Clark
Dean - Edwards
Dean - Gore
Biden - Richardson
Bayh - Warner
Biden - Doggett
Gore - Landrieu
Boxer - Bayh
Boxer - Baucus
Boxer - Durbin
Jesse Jackson - Lloyd Doggett
Warner - Richardson
Warner - Boxer
Edwards - Cohen
Gary Hart - Bayh
Bayh - Rockefeller
Bayh - Blanche Lincoln
Biden - Bill Nelson
Clark - Dorgan
Clark - Doggett
Edwards - Sheila Jackson Lee
Edwards - Landrieu

etc.

Just something to gnaw on.

I mean, I'm all for it, I just want to know where his props are coming from. When I mention his name, most folks say "Who?" "From where" and "I thought there weren't any more Democrats in Texas."

Milwuakee
Minneapolis
New Orleans
Cleveland
Columbus
St. Louis
Denver
Indianapolis
Detroit

John Kerry/John Edwards- Kerry/Edwards my dream team
Kerry/Warner
Kerry/Boxer
Kerry/Clark
or Gore/Kerry

Preferably Kerry. Anybody But Hillary!!!

in St louis

Kerry, if he can through what he's doing now show his 35+ year commitment to veterans, his genuine commitment to the campaign issues he fought for in 2004 (health care, environment), and if he can defuse the swiftboat slimers.

Kerry has an incredible resume and he is a brilliant, compassionate, moral man whose biggest liability is the smear job done last year. The bad side of this is that he needs to find a way to blow off these charges. The good side is that, they found no real dirt in the dirtiest campaign in at least 40 years. which is amazing since Kerry's life has been public since 1971. The good part is that by 2008, it will be easy to see if Kerry has restored his reputation - (if polls show a drop in negatives). If he has he will be a strong candidate, if not he would be best off to aim to be a power in the Senate.

None of the other candidates have endured this test by fire. Of the other candidates, only Hillary has been attacked for years, but even she did not have the full force of the Republican echo chamber and at least $90 million of negative advertising directed at her.

Bayh was a popular, successful Indiana governor in addition to being a Senator. Although his record may be more conservative than people here might want, he is representing Indiana. He is not as charismatic as Edwards, but he has substantially more experience.

If it were up to me, I am not sure yet, maybe a Wesley Clark/Russ Feingold ticket? I would choose Chicago, but after 1968, that would probably be a bad idea. How about Denver, since Bush held his in deep blue country, why can't we hold ours in red?

They can't win and it wouldn't be worth it if they could, since they basically agree with the Republicans on everything.

No more Clintonism. Ever again.

Well? Or are you just going to hide behind the old standy, "The Republicans will steal it anyway" line?

The Democrats could win with a strong progressive candidate that formulates a strong, popular progressive message and an in-your-face attitude, a Democrat that gives no quarter against any GOP fold.

Dean can help recruit such candidates.

Edwards could win if he makes his message more specifically populist and class-conscious.

As is a candidate that sounds strained and "establishmentarian" like Kerry.

We need the mixture of good mind, good looks and an eye for the jugular.

And Obama is too much of a rookie.

Enough with the dreaming. It's reality time! Feingold is the only one based in reality.

I like that one. Is that a Texas expression?

Like I said, I'd enthusiastically back Feingold.

-- it's not my first choice.

But you've handled the inquiry just right.

A bet on either or both of these possibilities would not be ill-spent. They are in line to figure prominently in our party's future.

If we don't, we lose on strategy and energy alone.

I say we apply our own stgrategies and energies, and kick his ass.

The earlier the better.

1. No idea
2. Edwards - Richardson
3. Couldn't care less

Best guess for what I think it will be...
H.Clinton Obama

I think would be an unbeatable ticket
R.Blagojevich Dean

Blagojevich (governor of IL)

Pro's:
1.)Governor and not a Senator. (Senator's have voting records and hense are vonerable)
2.)He took a stand on persciption drugs from canada. Ignoring the federal government and starting a program to allow citizens of IL to buy drugs from canada through the state of IL.
3.)Moderate, I live in a house full of "conservatives", and the only thing they can say bad about him is "he's a democrat". He supports the ideas of "peace through strength" that appeals to moderate republicans. In short I think he could steal some votes.
4.)Clean background. Son of immigrants, Blue collar, and no known skeletons in the closet.

Dean as Vp:
If you put a moderate democrat on the head of a ticket you need to have a more progressive person on the ticket to balance him out. I think dean would be perfect.

Either way I think a Moderate at the top of the ticket, and a progressive bringing up the rear is the best bet to regain power in 2008.

1) Hillary Clinton/Clark

2) Clark / not sure.

-- it puts two people with strong Arkansas ties on the same national ticket.

Well, it could happen.

If THAT doesn't win us back Arkansas in the blue column, I'm not sure if anything will!

well duh, but anyway, I'd like to see this guy Schweitzer, the Governor of Montana get involved somehow. I mean, he won a notoriously red state as a Democrat. If he can help the Democrats carry the prairie states, then we can say the hell with the south and let them secede if thats what they want. NO OFFENSE MEANT TO OUR FRIENDS FROM THE SOUTH WHO ARE DEMOCRATS! I suspect he may not be liberal enough for some here, but I think he could be a useful asset. Another guy we need to get involved is Harold Ford, Jr., a young man from Tennessee who appears to have a bright future and just happens to be of African descent. He may be able to help in the south somewhat. The convention should be held in Denver. Or maybe Chicago, since its close to home.

1.) Get back to me in a few months...

2.) Evan Bayh and Wesley Clark

3.) Nashville

-- to invade Nashville and command the media for an entire week and nominate a president there, while a defeated and forgotten Bill Frist sourly broods in his Washington townhouse, after losing the Social Security battle and also the filibuster battle.

Nashville skyline here we come!

Hillary/Lieberman

or

Hillary/Edwards

or

Hillary/Bayh

on edit: I'd like the convention to be in New Orleans.

1) John Edwards/Bill Richardson

2) If I had some Mayor Richard J. Daley "Big Party Boss" power
I'd pick Mark Warner/Joe Biden

3) Detriot, Michigan (Joe Louis Arena)

Why? He blocked a recount, why would anyone support him. Not me, never!!!!!

zalinda

First he could bring in New Mexico's electoral votes. Plus he'd be the first Latino-American on a major national party's ticket which would help the Democrats bring in the latino vote and other minority voters (I'm African-American and would love to see another minority on a Democratic ticket). He's a good public speaker and is Governor of a state Bush got in 2004.

Now about that recount I had to do some research about it before I talked about it. I guess the 3rd party canidates in the 2004 election wanted a recount in New Mexico. And this is what Bill Richardson said...

"I don't think a recount will reform our election laws. We don't need any more lawsuits. We need to move forward."

Now why did he say that, because he knew like the Kerry Campaign knew that they weren't going to win the White House (in 2004). I think alot of people did not get past 2000 and because of that it hurt us in 2002 and 2004. We have to "Move forward" our we aren't gonna win in 2006 and 2008. Plus what if Kerry had gotten New Mexico's 5 electoral votes he still wouldn't be President right now. We moved forward in 1988 and guess what we won in 1992. Focus on the next election and put your effort in the next election instead of the one we just had. It's easier to win the next election then trying to get the one that just passed overturned. Richardson understands this.

We need to change election laws and bring voting machines up to date to make these elections fair. We need to make election day a federal holiday and have early voting in all 50 states so people don't have just election day to vote. That's what Clinton, Kerry, and Boxer are trying to do in the senate. Yes we need to make sure every vote counts but we can't make up votes when they are not there. We aren't Republicans remember.

From there he can bring in not NM, but many of the western states which have been considered safe for the GOP. Richardson would be a better candidate in WV and the South than most.

He has a record as a governor and experience in the federal executive, but no record of recorded votes to have to place in historical context. Who was the last US Senator elected President?

Wasn't that 40 years ago and a very close race despite, by all accounts, an exceptional candidate. JFK was an exceptional President, that tends to bias the history of his candidacy.

If we cannot run the 2008 election without bringing out the ghosts of 2004 and 2000, we will probably run close enough for another steal. Learn lessons, but don't kamikaze over it. On the other hand, if we crush the GOP, stealing won't even help.

Though I need to know more about the guy before I say go for President or not.

However, I agree strongly with the need to pull from the Govenorship ranks as opposed to the Congress. The amount of negotiating and give and take that goes (nuance) doesn't work well in today's sound bite media. As a result, someone from the Congress looks executively "weak". JFK was the exception, not the rule. Before him you had Harding, Garfield, Hayes, and Lincoln. Only a handful of the total number and most from the period of time when the Executive branch was considered weak.

I would thus consider a Warner or a Richardson as being better candidates to field by their experience than anyone directly from Congress.




My thoughts tend towards someone like Mark Warner or Bill Richardson for this reason.

I can't believe that people are talking about Hillary Clinton in 2008. We can't afford to do that. It's a joke. WE WOULD LOSE. WE CAN'T LOSE IN 2008. P...E...R...I...O...D.

What is her base for running anyway? Because she's the wife of a former president? One Senate term?

I guess some folks are thinking that if Hillary gets in that we will pretty much have Bill running the country again, which is about as wrong as possible.

We need to be serious, and be serious as soon as possible.
All the people that talk about Kerry being weak didn't pay attention and don't know what they're talking about. Nobody else that ran for for the democratic nod in 2004 could have competed so well with Bush during a time of war, when they have everyone scared non-stop of their political bullshit, AKA "terrorism". Dean would have lost for real. The man is a fighter, but he wouldn't have gained the trust of mainstream voters the way John Kerry did. Hillary couldn't either.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, and the right to support the candidate of their choice. The thing is, that we all come together to choose our nominee, and it's not too early to start planning now. I don't want to see my party nominate a losing candidate. I don't want my party to throw away a great choice and a man that would make a wonderful president, John Kerry, because they have the false impression that we did something wrong and have to cleanse our party of everything from this election. John Kerry won on November 2nd. We all know it. I don't give a hot damn if Paula Zahn or Judy Woodruff or Chris Matthews wants to believe it or report it. It happened.

After another piss poor, suck ass term under Dumbya, people will wish Kerry had "won" (taken office). He is established. He is a strong leader. He is a fighter for us. If we nominate John Kerry in 2008, we will win the White House.

If he chooses not to run(I think he's already planning another shot), then we have other top choices. The main one, is Wesley Clark. He's all around a great choice. We also have Joe Biden. Al Gore could try. We also have this Mark Warner fellow, but he's not the first choice in my mind.

We don't have to play by their rules. Let's show the world we were not fucking around when we gave our support to John Kerry in 2004.

I say it's time for the 2nd coming of JFK to the White House.

I honestly think John Edwards is one of the few politicians that won't be stale four years after having been part of a losing ticket.

The Kerry campaign didn't utilize Edwards' popularity nearly enough. The GOP barely had any dirt whatsoever on him. And people love him.

Russ Feingold seems like the ideal running mate as well.

So at this point, I think the answer to questions 1 and 2 are the same: John Edwards and Russ Feingold.

As for question 3, my answer is Kansas City. Missouri is a state that we Dems sure could use, and the Dems already have solid support in St. Louis (Illinois influence; Dick Gephardt). Western Missouri is more red, and having Democrats holding their convention in the brand-new arena being built in KC would be beneficial in many aspects: 1) It somewhat christens that arena on a national level, and KC would eat that up, and 2) The Democratic influence could potentially sway enough voters to turn Missouri blue and give us another 11 Electoral votes.

That and the fact that I live a mere 200 miles from Kansas City has nothing to do with it... ;-)

I live about an hour east of KC.

I posted somewhere before about I thought that KC deserves a second look-over because of the plans for the new arena and the downtown revitilzation programs.

Parts of MO could turn blue again but the education has to start now! Many in the rural areas are angry with our new governor (he is making massive program cuts) and are angry with themselves for voting in Republicans almost across the line.

The great part about a convention in KC-it could be labeled as paying tribute to Harry Truman, since Independence is basically just a suburb of Kansas City. Missourians are proud of their plain-speaking president. Many historians rank him in the "near greats" listing of presidents (and his popularity keeps going up). Many saw him as a man of the people (failed businessman, never even attending college), someone that they could identify with. And utilizing his stomping grounds could bring a lot to the platform, reidentify the Dems as a party of the people. :dem:

I live in Council Bluffs, Iowa.

Who's the new governor of Missouri? I used to go to Northwest Missouri State but after graduation didn't really follow Missouri politics.

The 2008 election will probably be as close as the past two, so Missouri would be an ideal place to pick up some new Electoral votes.

I am in Warrensburg-home of Central MO State U and the very nearby Whiteman AFB.

As to the new gov-gasp-it is Matt Blunt, the son of Roy (yes that Roy).
He is already messing with the budget. I won't get into that. Go over to the MO forums if you are interested in what Blunt has done. Most of the posts are dedicated to him.

But I went to Northwest Missouri State University, so it's good to see another MIAA fan here.

What happened to Gov. Holden? Why didn't he run for re-election?

Glad to have you with us!:toast:

I see you like Fleetwood Mac as well -- they kick ass.

That is terrific. Both are wonderful. Together, with Howard Dean at the helm of the DNC, we will earn the priveledge of starting to put this broken nation back together again.

wouldnt it be ackward to have the senator who served longer and was re-elected at the bottom of the ticket, then again so was Kennedy/Johnson

them.

If it turned out the way you say, there'd be no weeping at my house, believe me.

1) Warner/Feingold or Bayh/Rendell

2) Clark/Feingold

3) Chicago

Kerry/Warner (should have done this in 04)
Kerry/Oboma
Gore/Kerry
I think Fla is the way to go for Convention, we need to turn this state blue again

Hillary not! We love and respect her but Bill comes with toooo much baggage.

Gore/Boxer....I like the sound of a Boxer rebellion

but you've fulfilled the request in my original post and I thank you for it.

I like Boxer, too. She probably would scare the bejesus out of Republicans, and of course, that's why I like her!

:hi:

John Kerry /Bill Richardson. Biden SOD / Clark SOS / Bob Graham NID, the list goes on....I'm still energized. It's because of John Kerry I joined the Democrats....

KERRY 2008!!!!

2) Feingold/Clark

3) New Orleans

I like Clark as prez and Hilary as VP.

Kerry / Clark much better ticket ...Hillary too centrist/triangulation bullspit...

Kerry an authority on National Security...


:kick:

1. I have no clue. I just hope that when the time comes, the Dem power structure has moved out of el mundo self-desttucto.
2. Clark/Blagojevich
3. New Orleans would be fun; Kansas City might be very smart.

They'd probably all drop over dead if we held the convention there.

Hey... that sounds pretty good!

And while we're in town we can edit a few science textbooks.

1) Which two candidates do you think will actually constitute the Democratic ticket in 2008;

Mark Warner/Evan Bayh or Evan Bayh/Mark Warner



2) Which two candidates would YOU personally choose if you were the lone powerbroker;

Mark Warner/Evan Bayh or Evan Bayh/Mark Warner

and


3) In which city should the 2008 Democratic convention be held?

St. Louis Missouri

What's the name of your horse?
Who is your trusted sidekick?

I think the Democratic Party will pick Hillary Clinton, after some maneuvering is done.


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... or someone else that she can put on the ticket to fulfill the same role. I can't really come up with 2 candidates I would consider to be "perfect". Alot depends on how much name recognition can be built up for the "unknowns". At any rate, I think Hillary will steamroll everyone else in the primaries UNLESS Al Gore decides to throw his hat in the ring again and then... all bets are off. There will be bloodshed in the party. Convention city? Go back to the scene of the crime I say - Cleveland? That or San Francisco.

1. Sen. Hillary Clinton/ Sen. Evan Bayh

2. Gov. Mark Warner/Gov. Bill Richardson
Good Popular Southern Democrat along with a strong Hispanic Figure popular in the Southwest along with the Hispanic Population.

3. Minneapolis/ St. Paul, Minnesota
The ONLY state that has show its allegiance to the Democrats.

but I still would like to see John Kerry run again.He still has solid support in my circle of acquaintances.

1. Hillary Clinton/Joe Biden

2. Phil Bredesen/Evan Bayh

3. Minneapolis

I think their names should be included as possibilties.

And another vote for Minneapolis.

It could happen.

1. I want Al Gore/Mark Warner
2. I think hillary clinton and Mark Warner will be on the ticket
3. I think the conventino should be in Miami

We just found a great website http://www.supportkerry08.com . They are selling Support Kerry 08 wristbands and bumper stickers for just $1.00. They are awesome! Let's push this movement and let's see people on every street corner wearing these just like the Lance Armstrong band. KERRY '08!

:kick:

or everybody will think you're just into Kabbala.

1. Too early to tell

2. Rendell/Edwards

3. Cleveland, OH


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that it's going to be something like a Hillary/Biden ticket, and we will get our asses handed to us in the general election.

If I could personally choose, I would go with a Clark/Boxer ticket.

Don't particularly care which city the Convention is held in. I think other issues are far more important.

but it won't happen till I'm dead, because that would be heaven. Sweet sweet blissful heaven.

Until then, I'd settle for Clark/Obama. Or Clark/anybody who'll add a couple of percentage points that will make vote fraud implausible or impossible and get a brilliant man into the White House.

-- or not...

It got me to thinking that no matter what role they play specifically -- candidates or what have you -- the moment EITHER of them approaches the podium at our convention the hall will explode with admiration and thunderous, sustained applause.

These are much-respected people and we need them badly for the future of the party, no matter what role it happens to be.

Hillary/Byah (And we lose in a landslide...THANKS Hillary!)

Byah/Biden (And we win in a lanslide)

Indianapolis



And please...

Can we stop whining about "Rigged machines"?? There is NO Boogie Man!!

And might as well vote republican as vote for Bayh. No way. Even the republicans want us ti give them a "real " choice and he ain't it. NO repuke lite!

The give and take of doing business in these houses of government open the candidate up to the type of negative campaigning popular these days.

I think it should be someone from an Executive Branch, so something like Richardson/Biden, or maybe something like Richardson/Clark or Richardson/Clinton though Hillary is a polarizing influence and may not be a winning choice.

However, at this stage, I think it will be Edwards or Biden as the front runner. Again, I think Hillary won't be able to do it.

Note: I am still learning more about Richardson.

As for where it should be held? I think they should hold it in the MidWest or some Key State such as Florida. The extra local press covering the event is extremely helpful and should not be overlooked.

L-

Harding and Kennedy, both won.

is awsome!

What I hope and what I think are the same thing for me. Being a pragmatist means that until told otherwise via reality, my choice is also who I think will get the nom.

That said, I like Clark/Sanchez '08

A General and a congresswoman.

Please Look into Sanchez as the ideal VP for a strong defense alpha male type, as opposed to a Richardson (and his baggage) to add diversity to the democratic ticket. I can guarantee you that putting this strong woman (who has a very compelling life story) on the ticket would attract many votes in the southwest as well as other states with a high Hispanic population.

Sanchez kicked some righteous butt, if I recall correctly. She beat Bob Dorman, a Republican who was a real piece of work. Orange County is very Republican.

She's a good prospect, especially for Clark as his VP. That ticket could possibly kick ass in defense, draw strong from all minority groups (especially Hispanics), and women would love voting for her, cause she's real and competent. She has a strong domestic background too, and came from very humble circumstances.

http://www.lorettasanchez.house.gov/display2.cfm?id=805...
Congresswoman Sanchez is the ranking woman of the House Armed Services Committee. She has served on the Terrorism Panel of this Committee, where she joined other Members to investigate intelligence progress and terrorist threats to the United States.
While serving on the Homeland Security Committee, Congresswoman Sanchez took a leave of absence from the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, which oversees education and labor issues. During her tenure on the Committee, she has protected parental involvement initiatives and successfully saved national gender equity in education program. She spearheaded efforts to promote school safety. Congresswoman Sanchez is a member of the Hispanic Caucus, the Blue Dog Democrats, the New Democratic Coalition, and the Congressional Human Rights Caucus. She also is a member of the Women's Congressional Caucus, the Older Americans Caucus, the Law Enforcement Caucus, and the Congressional Sportsman's Caucus.

CLARK/SANCHEZ '08!

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please wake me up when it's over. :boring:

:kick:

John Kerry 4 President
Hillary Clinton 4 Vice-President

so actual choice, I think, will be Hillary Clinton.

I think it will be a Clinton/Clark ticket.

If I had my choice I would like Howard Dean (lone powerbroker)

City to be held in--Cleveland, Miami or Denver.

Veep will be whichever Southern Dem does best in the primaries. I don't see Hillary making it out of the gate.

Kerry / Clarke..
Kerry / Obama
... Kansas City need to reach red Missouri..

Kerry must be on top of ticket to win :dem:

and he didn't win. What is going to be different in 2008? What will he bring to the 2008 race he didn't in 2004?

:eyes:

I'll say:

1. Edwards/Hillary
2. Edwards/Hillary
3. Orlando

-- influence in this coming presidential election, no matter what. On the ticket? I think so.

Orlando is a great choice. We should park our butts in the middle of Florida and fight like crocodiles over its electorate. Damn the Republicans anyway.

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1) Which two candidates do you think will actually constitute the Democratic ticket in 2008; Kerry/Clinton
2) Which two candidates would YOU personally choose if you were the lone powerbroker; Boxer/Clark or Clark/Boxer
and
3) In which city should the 2008 Democratic convention be held? Falooja.

Actual: Kerry and Biden

My choice: Boxer and anyone- I think Obama is too new and should at least finish one Senate term and alas, TWO strong women would give the WASP mail hierarchy strokes, so maybe Boxer and Feingold? (oops, two Jewish candidates). OK, maybe Boxer for VP:; Kerry/Boxer?

City: San Francisco or L.A. if it's Boxer; smack in the middle of a red state if it's not- maybe Denver? Cincinnati? Miami?

Senator Dick Durban: Illinois

I've been pouting because Illinois has two great U.S. Senators and some states don't have even ONE!

Dick Durbin is ok by me.

working Americans whether they be blue or red. We need to find a down to earth candidate who could actually play in states where the average wage is around $6 to $7 bucks an hour for the average non construction job. I think he has become to polarizing, I personally am mad at him and his campaign for not fighting tooth and nail for every speck of turf that was battled over in 2004. I still am undecided about who I want for '08 I am a big fan of Govenor Rendel, buit not sure if he is running. I think Rendell/ Richardson or vice a versa would be a good combo.

... so it'll be harder than last time, especially if there's not reform in voting and an expose of 2004 & 2000. I fear the Repukes'll nominate someone not too close to Bush, against whom anti-Bush attacks would not have any bite.

so
1: Edwards / Biden (yawn)

2: Boxer / Conyers - they run on anti-fraud platform (with proof), cast all Bush cronies into moral doubt, and can declare Bush agreements and judicial appointments illegitimate.
... or some non-politician dark horse like - I dunno - Paul Newman, Steve Jobs, Alvin Puissant, Garrison Keillor, Saul Bellow (oops, too late)

3: Convention simultaneously in NYC and other major cities, as well as the scenes of corporate/Bush crimes against the American people: Columbus/Gahanna, OH; Warren Co, OH; strip-mined mountain in WV; clear-cut forest in OR; exploited wildlife refuge in AK; etc.

-- simultaneous conventions, especially. Wonderful. Have you written to Howard Dean about this? He's the ultimate cyber-savvy guy and might really take to it.

I would be greatly in favor of that.

I could vote for either of your tickets. I see the GOP over on the far right these days, and McCain, Allen, Brownback, THE CAT BUTCHER, and a handful of others gathering support among the right-wing nutcases.

We've just got to win this time.

(also loved the environmental emphasis of your post... thank you for that.)

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Seems a southern city would be best. We need to do everything we can to include the South in our efforts.

Dream team. NO MORE JOHNS!

with vulnerable voting records (as all senators have--no particular diss to Kerry). Of course, I just posted that my dream ticket was Clark/Boxer with Clark/Obama as a second choice, so I guess I'm having a Bill O'Reilly moment.

Seems like many people around here are convinced that Kerry has a real shot in 2008. Interesting.

1) My best guess, three years out? Clinton/Bayh.

2) The ol' reliable Southern Strategy: Warner/Clark

3) It seems like the press loves loves loves going there, and that this love reflects onto the target of coverage: New Orleans

I'm probably very wrong.. :shrug:

1. I think the ticket will look something like Clark/Warner.

2. I believe Dean/Kucinich best represent me.

3. New York City.

Probable choice? Kerry/Somebody

Convention site? Phoenix! It has never been done and would be great for the Hispanic vote! And, we nearly carried Arizona.

I mean, significant gains, which I believe could happen, I say to the national ticket. . .

screw them! the real power can come from Congress. it would be a tough fight, but that's the way the Republicans solidified their hold on Congress in 1996, after they took it over-- they realized Clinton would be harmless if there was a Republican Congress and weren't all that excited about Dole anyway.

So I'm thinking, if my nightmare scenario happens-- that being Hillary Clinton/Evan Bayh in 2008-- we should focus all of our efforts into bringing the power back to the people of this country and setting the DLC and their candidates adrift while we take this country back on a more personal level-- not only in our efforts to turn Congress blue, but also to turn every state legislature and governor's office that's up for election that year as blue as possible.

And I mean EVERY state, including Republican strongholds like Idaho, Alaska, Nebraska, Wyoming, and even Kansas. We won the Governor's office in Montana and threw their legislature straight into our corner, as well as taking over a seat we needed to reclaim in Colorado, sending a Democratic farmer to Congress over yet another faux-family businessman in a Republican district and turning control of that state's legislature blue-- and even though those are small wins, they can be built upon.

So I'm ready to throw our national candidates overboard in 2008 if I'm very unsatisfied with the ticket (I'm not talking the way a Dean supporter was unsatisfied when Kerry got the ticket, but the way a Dean or Kerry supporter would be unsatisfied if Lieberman got the spot) and if it means I can devote energy along with thousands of other people to fighting a real fight for the representation the people of this country truly need and really deserve.

My personal choice is Hillary/Nadar. That way we won't split x% of the vote going to Nadar.

1. Clinton/Clark

2. Edwards/Graham

3. Atlanta

I hold the right to change my opinion on Graham and Atlanta. These came to me on the fly. Graham brings Florida and let's consider bringing our convention to the South.

Number 1 doesn't thrill me but reality bites.

We've seen Ralph Reed and his ilk erase Georgia from our political maps. I STILL am homesick for Senator Cleland!

Atlanta would be a very good choice, no question.

LOSERS = Gore, Kerry, Edwards, Lieberman, Clinton, and just about everybody else in Congress.

My dream ticket? Barack Obama/Wesley Clark.

Obama? The next great American hope. The first great President of the new generation. Kennedy mark two.

Clark? The experienced, wordly general who commanded our last successful military action. A good balance to the ticket.

Two middle Americans. Two class acts. Both thoroughly vetted, both upstanding citizens, both likeable, and both from "common man" backgrounds.

It would be an historical election. The real transition from the 20th to the 21st Century.

Avoid everybody on the LOSERS list or we will lose. We might survive with Lieberman or Hillary as the VP pick, but not at the top of the ticket. But if we're looking for Centrists again, we will lose. Don't bring history into this race. We will lose.

New, fresh, exciting, with REAL ideas expressed in a CONVICING manner, we should win. The Republicans have given us a lot of material to work, with, too. We just need to know how to use it.

And I am an Edwards supporter disappointed that the legal battles to protect the vote fared so poorly and MIA in electronic fraud.

But I want the campaign machinery and tactics in place that would make it possible to run a ham sandwich against their best(which is saying very little) and rampage over them. Right now it is as it was, the other way round with a ton of excuses and false explanations.

I want the juggernaut to destroy and reverse the government majorities and have a candidate good enough to take advantage of the opportunity and not waste it.

That is why it is premature to talk of candidates, IMHO. No lingering DLC
triumphalism, absurd as it is now, but as empowered as it seeks to be a la Tony Blair. Rational corporate interest had their chance to forge a link with civil government and acceded to piracy instead. Real populist, real science, real civil government, real free press, real inspiration to civic duty and trust.

As for Democratic "naivete" in foreign affairs it is evidently quite the opposite. It is the pollyanna approach to politics and policy at home that the Democratic leadership has really been trying to short itself. Take care of domestic crises at home as a model for the domestic needs of the globe and the ugly waste of war machinations will wither into ever smaller police affairs. The games set up over the backdrop of greed and theft that we call wars, etc. are mad and stupid and like warts should be dried up first at the roots, which is in the poisoning of the common welfare.

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Kerry/Warner or Kerry/Easley at this point... but those two VP candidates if they show themselves as being more then just red-state democrats could probably convince me not to vote kerry.

But it looks like Clinton will get it, however. But its wayyy to early to call this accurately.

In so far as where the DNC should be... St. Louis, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Minnapolis would be my top choices

1. edwards/obama

2. dean/clinton

3. burlington, vt

Plenty of crowd power and true charisma.

Hell, I'd vote for it.

Burlington is a beautiful city -- almost perfect -- but does it have enough hotel beds for all those Democrats?

(1) The powers that be will choose pro-life Senator Ben Nelson and pro-choice Gen. Clark in hopes of attracting pro-lifers, seeming tough on national security, and taking back issues important in the South and midWest. Additionally, they will make sure that Clark tones down his pro-choice stance with Clinton's words "legal, safe, and rare." The Dem philosophy is to move to the right with their candidates, since the party takes the left for granted.

(2) My pick would be some impossible leftist choice like Nader-Kucinich.

(3) A Chicago convention would complete the idea of taking back the midWest.

1) don't think I can predict this one
2) If Dean does his job right as DNC Chair, I can see him being drafted for a run at President. Napalitano seems to be kicking ass in AZ - popular Dem. governor of a western state - seems like a good fit.
3) no preference

Why is there no discussion of him as a potential presidential candidate?

if hillary runs i think she'll win the primary. with that said, i think hillary-clark. i would pick biden-clark. as far as the convention, DALLAS right in theart of red country.

We could print and display a massive number of banners that read:

'THE BIG D STANDS FOR Democrats!"

My god think how many Republicans in Texas would be pissed off!

I'm liking the idea of holding it in enemy territory more and more.

my thinkig exactly

1) I think that Hillary Clinton as president and Barack Obama as running mate will actually constitute the Democratic ticket in 2008.
2) If I was the lone powerbroker, I would choose Mark Warner, governor of Virginia for presidential candidate and Bill Richardson, governor of New Mexico as running mate.
3) I would hold the 2008 Democratic Convention in Phoenix.

Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for President and Vice President respectively.

It's time we start winning again.

Will be: Hilary-Obama (Hilary sucks and Obama hasn't done much yet, but since he is good looking and well-spoken everyone thinks he is a saviour. I'm not even convinced yet that he a progressive instead of a DLC'er. Regardless of Obama's appeal, Hilary will kill us even if she ran with the Second Coming.).

Should be: Steny Hoyer and Al Sharpton.

Convention should be: Anywhere in Kansas: Have Frank be a keynote speaker and throw Kansas' liberal history in everyone's face just to make them remember what it really means to stand up for the little guy.

Who is Steny and why would he win? He could win over the South and the good ol boys without selling out. He is a veteran, pro-choice, gets an F from the NRA on gun control, a 100% from the American Public Health Assn, and cannot possibly be branded a snotty, Eastern liberal.

STENY in 2008!!

http://www.hoyer.house.gov/
http://www.issues2000.org/House/Steny_Hoyer.htm

Yes, I know that Al Sharpton is unrealistic, but you said "dream ticket." Nobody speaks for the downtrodden like Al, and nobody asks the rest of country to pay attention to the issues that the MSM ignores like Al. He gets me fired up, so I say go Al.

Take it to them.

We can't afford to lose the White House again, and Senators and Representatives aren't cutting it. Governors have always had alot more luck winning the presidency, and that's what we need to put out. A liberal governor who comes off as a moderate - Edward Rendell.

He's turned the entire state of Pennsylvania around and revitilized Philadelphia when he was mayor. He's a tough-looking, rough-sounding guy that people would want to have a beer with, which gives us the "Joe Schmo" votes, and he's a liberal as well, which gives us the votes from the left. He can't be painted as a weak liberal when the guy reminds people of Tony Soprano!

Rendell SHOULD be getting alot of support for a presidential run in 2008, because he is one of those who can WIN!

Mark Warner from Virginia can win as well, but as a proud Pennsylvanian, I'm going with Eddie.

Rendell for America.

Let's not repeat the mistake the Republicans did in NYC. Blue states, blue cities.

1) Feingold/Warner
2) Feingold/Richardson
3) NYC!

I think most primary voters will be hesitant toward Kerry and Edwards, and Dean has said he will not run. Thus, I think Clark will be on the ticket, more likely than not for POTUS.

I think Sen. Warner (R-VA) will retire in 2008, and Mark Warner (they're not related) will seek the seat instead of a higher office. (That or he will have just come off beating George Allen in 2006!)

I think Clark will pick someone few people expect for VP, perhaps Easley, Schumer, or Schweitzer.

I want the Convention to happen in a battlegrouind state. TGhe last couple Conventions have been in solid blue states. My top four picks in order are Detroit, Cleveland, Minneaplis/St. Paul, and Milwaukee.

Its really early and unexpected candidates might jump in and gain support but this is what i think will happen now:

1) Warner/Hillary

I think that the primary race will come down to Hillary, with the support of the fundraisers and the DLC, and Warner, backed by those who want an electable candidate and progressives who oppose Hillary's center-right positions. Warner will win in the end but hell have to choose Hillary as his VP to maintain party unity.

2) Sebelius-Clark: Two progressive candidates with wide appeal in red states.

3) Cleveland

I believe that either John Kerry or Hillary Clinton will get the nomination as the presidential candidate. Naturally, I'll support whoever is the nominee. And I wouldn't mind seeing either one of them in the Oval Office.

My personal choice is any combination of the "Big Three":

PA Governor Ed Rendell
VA Governor Mark Warner
NY Senator Hillary Clinton

I'm actually going to see Governor Rendell today, and I did plan to suggest a presidential run to him.

I would love to see John Kerry win again though, too.

I hope we make the right, the WINNING choice in 2008.

I do, however, feel that Barack Obama shouldn't be on the ticket yet, because he was just elected last year, and needs to gather alot of experience to take on either the office of PotUS or VPotUS.

Russ is the man.

Now the only thing wrong with Russ is that he is from Wisconsin "north" and is a progressive.

But he has a clear message.

www.progressivepartiorfund.com and watch his debates with a Republican millionaire. Russ got 56% of the vote, he had more votes cast for him than any other candidate in Wisconsin history.

1. I have no clue, but I predict it will be two candidates that don't inspire me with confidence, and that I'll be holding my nose, AGAIN, on election day.

2. Kucinich/Boxer

3. Someplace on the West coast; act like the party values those of us left-coasters.

Edwards/Obama Cleveland
Durbin / Boxer Las Vegas

The young and the old seems to have appealed for the last 2 elections.

My personal choce would be President Jed Bartlet and Vice President John Hoynes from The West Wing, but for obvious reasons, that probably won't happen.

I support Governor Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania. Rendell/Clinton (or vice versa), Warner/Rendell (or vice versa), or Warner/Clinton (or vice versa).

It will probably be Hillary, and I wouldn't mind supporting Senator Clinton.

I think that the DNC should hold the convention in Philadelphia: Birthplace of Liberty.

and I would love the convention to be in Milwaukee (but I think that pigs will fly first).