When will the Irish come clean about Hitler?

LiviaOlivia

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Sun Jan-30-05 10:24 PM
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When will the Irish come clean about Hitler?

There is a lot of documentation but let's start here.

The amorality of Irish wartime neutrality was summed up by de Valera's infamous visit to the German ambassador in Dublin in April 1945 to present his condolences on the death of Hitler.

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/5984.html

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DaveinMD

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Sun Jan-30-05 10:26 PM
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1. Dev was an idiot

his ascension to power is a prime reason for the reactionery nature of the free state. If Collins had lived, things would have been much different.

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Maeve

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Mon Jan-31-05 07:29 AM
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4. Dev was a stubborn ideologue

"Never retreat" sort, once he made up his mind. (Not that I'm actually disagreeing with your assesment, just adding a refinement!)Nor did he look at the big picture--his focus was too tight.

After the Civil War, Ireland was exhausted and wanted no more fighting--and certainly no fighting on the side of the British. It was a bad choice and one that cost them dearly for decades.

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Tweed

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Sun Jan-30-05 10:41 PM
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2. Oh yes, because without the Irish propping up Hitler,

He would have fallen like a deck of cards. Ireland's neutrality saved the Germans time and time again from ultimate defeat.

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JohnKleeb

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Mon Jan-31-05 11:24 AM
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5. gaaaaaaaaah

Just what I need when I mourn the death of an Irish relative, Irish bashin.

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Donkeyboy75

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Mon Jan-31-05 06:16 PM
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7. That's not exactly the point, is it?

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two gun sid

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Sun Jan-30-05 10:59 PM
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3. Do you really believe the Free State's neutrality...

was because the Irish supported Hitler?

This is from your own link:

"De Valera's failure to countenance such a course of action was informed more by party politics than the national interest. His main concern was the split in Fianna Fail that would occur if neutrality was abandoned. More importantly, de Valera's priorities were domestic rather than international.

Third, wartime neutrality cost the country dearly in the post-war years. For North-South relations, neutrality was a disaster. Neutrality reinforced partition, strengthened unionist rule in Ulster and ensured the post-war isolation of the northern Catholic community...."

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Scurrilous

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Mon Jan-31-05 01:36 PM
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6. Imeacht gan teacht ort. eom

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