KOEB Meeting 5/20/08 Kentucky and Oregon Primaries Edition

:hi: And heeeeeere we go again...

MSNBC has already projected Hillary as winner in Kentucky. What a shock, eh?

Warning: Keith is wearing the Hideous Green White Polkadot Tie.

Come on in anyway.

Every single poll he's seen has Hillary beating McCain? How much you want to be that he's seen polls that Obama beats McCain also???

:headbang:
rocknation

With one fifth of the precincts reporting, Obama has 44%. He needs only 29% to get the 15 delegates he needs to clinch in KY. Hillary will need to get 86% of the vote to stop him.

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rocknation

I hope we have a good group tonight. I'm sure many people are feeling a bit down in the mouth with the news about Teddy. Sad indeed.

Should be a snoozefest until later tonight.
They'll probably go back to talking about Teddy in an hour or so.

Terry Mac is delusional.

:hi: Glad you both could join us tonight!!!!

TerryMac is indeed the Baghdad Bob of Dems. I muted him most of the time. I just caught what Keith was saying to him and the very end.

Blah, blah, blah....best for the country, blah, blah...

:eyes:

Can I say something really stupid and shallow here? The hair on the side of Keith's head tonight looks like soft kitten fur, and I want to pet it.

That is all. *sigh*

I'll try to be deeper for the rest of the night.

...the closer you get to the wooly caterpillars. :7

NOW you've gone and done it. :loveya:

I'm going to be a puddle of mush the rest of the night.

I keep waiting each spring to see if this will be the one where they pupate and spring off his forehead into butterflies, but it never happens.

"pupate and spring off into butterflies..."

:rofl:

but you knew that. :blush:

This has been going on so long, do you ever wonder whether we'll miss it? These primaries and caucuses have become like a way of life. Yet we had every reason to believe it would all be over by Feb. 5. Just like Hillary. But...not so.

You don't even know how to pronounce "Appalachia." People there get as pissed off when you use the long A on it as Nevadans do when you use the "ah."

Joey Scars is not really known for his brains, is he?

He's mainly known for his dead intern.

No, I didn't say that. :blush:

Oh boy, I just can't wait till Hillary's speech. Not.

:hi: :hi:

I just heard Dead Intern Joe bloviating. I can't stand him. I hope to God that Obama climches this thing tonght. I hope the "superdelegates" tell Hillary where she can go.

I'm really bummed out about Ted Kennedy. Brings back memories of my Dad. He died of metasized malignant melanoma in his brain. He started out with seizures as well.

Do have some good news. My niece is in the hospital tonight having her first baby. She's thrilled and so is her boyfriend. They're getting married next June. I am so excited I could scream...

Wow - what a mixture of emotions you're going through!
:hug: for your memories of your Dad, and

:bounce: for the baby on the way!

Tracy or Kevin. Not a word yet. Apparently her water broke last night and at noon today she was dilated to 5 cms. The doctor told Tracy a few weeks ago she might have to have a C-section but she went into labor early so maybe the baba won't be as big.

I just lost the TV. Mr Wonderful is watching a DVD of the 1991 All-Ireland. He doesn't want to listen Keith and Tweety all night.

It's moments like these that I'm glad I'm single. Or moments that extra TVs are for.

When the OR results (and Obama's delegate-clinching speech) will be on. That's when the REAL action will start!

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rocknation

:hi: Same here. So sorry about your dad. What an awful thing to have happen.

I'm thrilled for your niece. Hope all goes well. If you get any news you can take time out to share with us, please do! (It sure beats listening to Lisa Caputo!)

Someone posted a link to it elsewhere in DU:

My Lady Parts Do Not Ache for Hillary Clinton
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2008/05/clinton_obama.php

I figured to start cooking while Hillary is giving her victory speech. Instead, the insidious little thing is 21 floors below me in the next street, spewing out a tinny electronic rendering of "Music Box Dancer" and making me wish for a soft cone instead of a square meal.

Damn you, Mr. Ice Cream Man!! Damn you!! :grr:

where I live, they troll the streets all year 'round. :crazy:

dg

:P

It got up into the 100s early on this year. And summer hasn't started yet! :(

dg

I don't think we're going to get a summer this year. This morning, it was 41 degrees out. Spring is very slow this year.

sorry...must watch because Pujols makes lovely THWACK noise when hits ball 408 feet into the third tier.:bounce:

Don't worry, I understand. I envy people with real sports teams.

I'm home from the hospital They had to redo my daughter's stent, which had come dislodged. Now the rest of the pulverized stone should be able to drain out and her bilirubin levels should start to come down. They'll let her come home as soon as they've dropped enough. Hopefully tomorrow, but maybe not until Thursday.

I'm so sad about Teddy. A stroke would have been better than this awful news. :hug:

:hug: Complications suck. At least it looks like it's full steam ahead from here on in for your daughter. Sure hope so, anyway.

Thanks.

and not yours either, but at least it will be a hurdle she's gotten over. And that's a good thing. A little ray of sun.

Not the extra time, but the lack of another operation. Hope it's tomorrow.

:hi:

They did another ERCP today and replaced the stent.

:hi:

I totally misunderstood. I thought it was either or, or that it would pass itself through the stent that was there.

The only real operation was the gall bladder removal. The other procedure is what had to be redone -- the one where they put a camera down her esophagus. That's how they found that the stent had come dislodged and that the duct was still blocked. The new stent should do the trick!

and here's hoping that does indeed do the trick.

I'm glad to hear they got things straightened out for your daughter.

Now, how are YOU holding up through all this? :hug:

I'm just sick of spending time in hospitals.

You need a nice, long break.

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

That one is too cute!

Keith is saying Norah O'Donnell is from the "next generation," not his??? Jeez, Keith...

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

Here comes Hillary...time to put dinner on!

I wonder: is the Welsh Corgi toss a part of the Kitty Olympics? :hi:

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :wtf:

Which is in 15 minutes. They advertised that she'd be here, so I assume she's doing a later shift.

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

I think it's time to go downstairs to get a snack. I don't think I can stand listening to her drivel and delusions. Be right back.

Poor man.

:hi:, all!

I haven't had the sound turned on until just now. Don't know why I'm listening to Hillary, but I am.

"I have more popular votes."

Repeat after me, Hillary: Obama has more popular votes in states that actually count.

OMG. Such shameless shilling.

Has anyone from her campaign explained what the popular vote total is in the caucus states? And of course more people voted for her in Michigan, since he wasn't one of their choices.

:mad:

This "Some" keeps saying such TERRIBLE things about Hillary and her followers and that they should give up? Should they? NOOOOOO!

"Senator Obama and I remain hopelessly deadlocked, except I am beating him in the popular vote"...OK, she didn't say it, but that's what she means. "We are going toe to toe."

OMG, the CROWD is reciting "GO TO HILLARYCLINTON.COM" with her! The beg came right up front!!

Here she goes again with her speech to the supers. "We have to pick someone who can win in November and is best prepared." Oh please.

"More people have voted for me than for anyone who's ever run for the Democratic nomination...in the face of naysayers and skeptics!"

Yes, she's the champ, despite "all the pundits' chattering"!

Delusional.

Now here comes the pitch to all those hard-working white people.

Oh, and she's best prepared to deal with foreign policy because she ate tea and cookies with the wives of 80 world leaders, now mostly deceased.

She's still running not to prove she's tough, but because we have to beat the Repugs and she's the ONLY one ready, willing and ABLE to do that! Woo hoo! Now she's going to go on and win the rest of the states and Puerto Rico and she's going to FIGHT for the Florida and Michigan delegates and she's going to "fight for the nominee, whoever SHE may be!"

Kentucky-fellating..."This state KNOWS HOW TO PICK PRESIDENTS!!! WE CAN'T WIN WITHOUT KENTUCKY!!!!"

Blablahblah..."This race is STILL SO CLOSE...neither of us has that magic number...neither of us can...our party will have a tough choice to make...they will choose me because I am ready and I win swing voters in swing states and did I mention I will be Ready On Day One???????"

:puke:

Oh, and now a story about an eightysomething black woman who is FIGHTING FOR HER. And the young wife of a veteran. Yadayada. And the poor kid who sold his bike and his video games. "Thanks, kid...I really needed that money."

Oh, and don't forget: She will UNITE the country!!!! Yeah!!!!!

Oh well, at least Baghdad Terry didn't say it was going to be a speech for the ages. It wasn't.

If she could eat all those cookies and still look good, I'm impressed.

No one except you, Bill and Terry are buying it.

but she doesn't mention that.

:hi:

At least you just did.

She's kinda crazy these days. :hi:

like she wants to get off the stage and have a beer with a shot of Crown Royal.

I can't say I blame her.

It's all about the Benjamins.

Michigan and Florida. When are you going to get it, Hills? Obama wasn't on the ballot here, why should you get the votes?

Give it a rest already!

And now it's we can't win without Kentucky. Last week we couldn't win without West Virginia. Well, which is it?

New York? California? Fuck you.

because they can't vote in the GE, but she's going to count them too.

I don't get those territories who can vote to nominate but can't vote to elect. Either let them vote in both or not in either. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Just got home. Watching the sad excuse of a Mariner's baseball game until Hil is done speechifying.

Hubby is watching and keeps giving me updates. Sorry about that, SG!

:hi:

Yes, you would definitely have a different take on this game! :hi:

:hi: Which is a worse experience, I wonder?

At least Tweety and McCheese are discombobulating all of Hillary's bad math.

I'm glad they did that, but they'd better watch out of the Hilary supporter bus commin' at them.

:rofl:

Good one.

I LOVE that line!! (and that show!) :rofl:

You tell me!

Ja? :D

Hey - you might be part Overman and don't know it!! :bounce::bounce:

Barack will definitely get the majority magic number tonight. I hope the SDs come out of the woodwork tomorrow and put an end to this nonsense already.

Give me a break! :rofl:

That woman has more personalities than I have socks! :rofl:

It's a rich man's game, no matter what they call it! And there's Hillary, just a poor secretary working for a hellish male boss and trying to get by...Oh no, wait, she's not, she's a WEALTHY SENATOR WHOSE HUSBAND WAS PRESIDENT FOR EIGHT YEARS!!! Silly me, I forgot! Just slap me on the head and call me a Kentuckian!!

and why can't I get that kind of attention?

I'm glad he said this is "no-singing" coverage. :rofl:

at the idea that Obama can be the nominee and yet LOSE KENTUCKY BY 35 POINTS!!!!!

HOW CAN HE DO THAT???????? EVERYONE KNOWS YOU CAN'T WIN WITHOUT KENTUCKY!!!!!!!!

Maybe it's Rachel. :)

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary... People who live in Kentucky don't even believe that.

Buchanan's just apoplectic. He wants his girl to have the nomination handed to her so bad he can taste it. It's the Repugs' only chance at motivating their otherwise miserable, depressed electorate...rallying up the "Anyone But Hillary" vote.

is going for the bottle, maybe.

It makes as much sense as anything else.

talk about that then?? I don't think so! Grr :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :grr:

He'll make you insane. :hi:

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

Go away Hillary ... you have been a nasty liar and run up a
huge bill .... it is over go the f*** away.


BTW Hillary I never told you were my Fav either ... go away.

I'm getting anxious.

Looks like I haven't missed too much. Sounds like it's all been Hillary.

I'm hoping Mr. Wonderful will skip the next game on the DVD, so I can turn the TV back on.

Mazel Tov, mo! :toast:

Thanks.

I just talked to my sister and she said our sister-in-law Pat, who's a nurse, said it'll be at least a couple of more hours and Joan told me that the doctor is only going to let Tracy push hard for like an hour and if the baby isn't out then, she'll do the C-section.

She's like 2 and 1/2 weeks early, the baby wasn't due until the 6th of June.

I'm just worried about Tracy. She's my favorite niece and she's hard time growing up. My brother, was an alcoholic and didn't pay one bit of attention to her and her mother left Chicago for Florida right after Tracy graduated from high school and the divorce from my brother was final and more or less told her "you're on your own."

She's put herself through college and last summer got a masters degree in ESL. She's a great kid.

but it sounds like she's a strong girl with a good head on her shoulders. I'll bet she'll be just fine. Best wishes to all of you.

I'm sure all will be well. She sounds wonderful.

:hi: Hi, everybody! I was playing Mahjongg.

:hi: :loveya:

I posted a naughty thread in the Lounge. :evilgrin:

:hi: :loveya:

:rofl:

:evilgrin:

It seemed appropriate. Hillary needs the KY to get through Oregon. ;)

:rofl:

:rofl:

I simply agree when you admit that you're dirty. :P

And you're right -- someone had to do it! :rofl:

Did you win? I haven't played in years. I didn't know anyone who wasn't either Chinese or Jewish played!

The damned thing is addictive. :)

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I can't say I'd be proud to have Hillary's base.

And I'm DAMN TIRED of Ohio being lumped in with West Virginia and Kentucky just because it's full of "hard working white people" or an industrial state. Sheesh.

Thing is though, when it comes to the GE, I think Hilary is delusional if she thinks people would vote overwhelmingly for her over a pasty old white Republican.

Sharon --

The polls are closed in Kentucky and votes are being counted in Oregon, and it's clear that tonight we have reached a major milestone on this journey.

We have won an absolute majority of all the delegates chosen by the people in this Democratic primary process.

From the beginning, this journey wasn't about me or the other candidates. It was about a simple choice -- will we continue down the same road with the same leadership that has failed us for so long, or will we take a different path?

Too many of us have been disappointed by politics and politicians more times than you can count. We've seen promises broken and good ideas drowned in a sea of influence, point-scoring, and petty bickering that has consumed Washington.

Yet, in spite of all the doubt and disappointment -- or perhaps because of it -- people have stood for change.

Unfortunately, our opponents in the other party continue to embrace yesterday's policies and they will continue to employ yesterday's tactics -- they will try to change the subject, and they will play on fears and divisions to distract us from what matters to you and your future.

But those tactics will not work in this election.

They won't work because you won't let them.

Not this time. Not this year.

We still have work to do to in the remaining states, where we will compete for every delegate available.

But tonight, I want to thank you for everything you have done to take us this far -- farther than anyone predicted, expected, or even believed possible.

And I want to remind you that you will make all the difference in the epic challenge ahead.

Thank you,

Barack Obama

:rofl:

I hope he's right, though. Not. This. Time.

Oh, and NOBODY on this damn broadcast can pronounce "Appalachia"! Not Keith, not David Gregory, not Claire McCaskill, NOBODY!!!!

LEARN, people!!!!

Oh man, did they HAVE to put on Lisa Caputo again???? I'm muting her.

when Appalachia State beat Michigan. I heard it said so much, I learned the right way to pronounce it.

:rofl: Oh well, at least you can comfort yourself knowing that nobody at Michigan could possibly produce a recruitment video THAT bad.

I used to work in that field in a previous life. It's always funny to find an especially execrable example of university marketing.

why Hillary can't win the educated voters. :rofl:

And he's not buying that the majority of people dodn't let race factor into it.

You know, I think the problem here is less with Obama and more with Appalachia. When one small homogenous region of the country won't vote for a black man, they get to be labeled as people who "won't vote for a black man".

But I'll have to log-off because the computer is in the bedroom and he wants to go to bed. Keep your fingers crossed for my niece. I'll let you know tomorrow what the baby is.

Lisa, Lisa, Lisa, both Obama and Clinton are losing to McCain with the working class workers by THE SAME MARGIN!

Dems usually have problems getting those votes.

And with absolutely no disrespect to those voters, they are not the only population in this country.

that so many Kentuckians voted on race!!!!

IT'S TRUE, LISA!!!!!! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!

Yeah, maybe he should have tried harder, but he also knew that no matter what he did some of those people wouldn't vote for him, so why bother? He'd have to bleach himself 100% white, and it ain't gonna happen.

LOL, Keith just showed Howard "Rahm Emanuel's pizza." At least we know what HE's having for dinner!

FUCK YOU WITH A BATTERING RAM, SCARBOROUGH!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, he pissed me off.

That is all.

:grr:

:rofl:, but still, "ouch!"


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Clinton in WV and she still beat him?

Can't have it both ways folks.

So, are we now in tear down Obama mode, guys?

how much can you hear about before you cut your losses prematurely, at least at this point?

How many stories do you listen to about people who won't vote for you because you are an N-word, because they think you will appoint other N-words to higher offices than white people and they don't think N-words should be above white people, and because they think you are a Muslim even though people keep telling them you are not a Muslim, because well, even though people say it, they still "believe" otherwise?

Tomorrow morning, I have to drive to Madison (3 hours) to meet with my District Superintendent and another D.S. to talk about what's going on at my church. I am scared and worried that it will be one of those "what's wrong with Ruth" meetings. With all the stress I've been under lately, this is probably the worst for me. My confidence level is pretty low, and I've convinced myself that they're gonna throw me out of ministry. :scared:

My thoughts and prayers will be with you tomorrow. I hope it goes okay. :hug:

Whatever happens, I should be here tomorrow. Perhaps drunk, but I'll stop in.

(I'm a worst case scenario person, just so I'm prepared...)

Of course you have my good thoughts and prayers. All my best to you tomorrow.

It's the waiting that's so difficult right now. :hug:

I know, easier said than done.

You need to think about everything that's RIGHT with you. Start. Right now.

How can they throw you out?

Damn. I will be thinking of and saying prayers for you.

Oh, and you have my permission to drink. :hug:

The DS already told me they've finished making appoinments for the year (which oddly begins on July 1), so I will not be moving. That's good, because I don't have the energy to pack right now. But before they move people, they want to work to find some kind of resolution, because they don't want the next pastor to end up facing the same kind of problems.

This particular congregation has had a habit of running off their pastors every 3 years. I've been here 5. Whenever I ask them to do something for missions, or even simply to write a mission statement, they turn on me, and I become the "issue." I'm just tired of the games, and this time, I refused to play along. That's probably what I'll tell the DS tomorrow.

Thanks for the pep-talk. That's just what my Mom would say to me. :hug:

I wish she was here as support through my daughter's MS diagnosis and gall bladder surgery. It seems like as soon as she died everything started falling apart. Not only with my daughter, but one of my sister's daughters just separated from her husband because of abuse. My sister lives in Israel and her daughter lives in Baltimore. My mother didn't know about any of it before she died.

I will tell them that my #1 priority is to my Dad, and that's what I had to do last month - even before cleaning the parsonage, make a list of my duties, or seek counseling. I still stand behind that decision.

I hope it comforts you to know your Mom's wisdom and love will always be with you, Sharon. :hug:

Hope your daughter is home soon and back to normal. More hugs on the MS thing. It seems there is more or it around these days or I just know too many people with it. It is a hard diagnosis to hear and my heart goes out to you and the whole family. If you can call anything an upside there is one in that she is female. They are finding some very promising things to help women with MS. Has to do with some hormone you have during pregnancy. I can't find my link right now and will keep looking for it. Basically they found that women with MS seemed to have less severe symptoms to almost no symptoms while pregnant. They have found what hormone it is that seems to stall the MS and are now doing trials with it. It is the most promising treatment those I know with MS (that are female) have heard about. I so hope her symptoms are mild and stay that way (or even better go away). Hang in there, she can lead a happy, productive and long life. I know she has her family's love and support. She also has a lot of others praying for her.


On your niece, sounds like she is making a good move getting out of a bad situation. Shame she had to suffer with an abuser but with support she can make a better, safer life for herself. Keep in touch with her and just listen. If she goes back, no matter how much you hate it please just let her know you are there and love her and will always be there for her. Maybe suggest she look into counseling. There are very good shelters in Baltimore that offer it to those trying to get away. This is a very good one http://www.hruth.org/.

but hadn't heard they were making progress with the research on its use for MS patients. It's the hormone that keeps a woman's body from rejecting the baby as a foreign object. MS symptoms are gone during pregnancy. I wondered why they wouldn't try to duplicate that hormone and use it as an MS drug -- it seemed so simple. It sounds like they're working on it.

and why they are being cautious. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11224-pregnancy-hormone-reverses-ms-damage.html
The one I had seen was local but can't find it. Still sending lots of :hug:s and prayers including that they find a cure/treatment that will work %100 soon.

I saw it happen to another minister in another town I used to live in. He rubbed his congregation the wrong way because he had these crazy ideas about trying to bring in new people and about allowing the church facilities to be used by community groups that might, you know, leave a mess in the basement hall or something. About having an imam come in after 9/11 and talk about Islam and what Muslims really believe. About trying to do community outreach (no outreach, please, we're Lutherans). About trying to get someone interested in the church besides the rapidly shrinking and aging congregation it already had.

Of course they didn't like him. And of course they pushed him out by not being able to afford a full-time pastor anymore. Why couldn't they afford a full-time pastor anymore? Because the congregation kept SHRINKING because fresh blood was not welcome.

It was a shame. When I was in the hospital, he was there for me. And for a lot of other people.

The churches that are dying have only themselves to blame.
I've told them if we didn't change our priorities, we'd have the best looking emptyest (sp?) church in town. And that's what's happening.

I basically told my committee that we obviously had a conflict in priorities, and that I wasn't interested in satisfying the grumblers (no pandering from me!!); and since they weren't budging, then it would probably be best for me to move on. THEN they said, "We don't want you to leave!"

Boo-fucking-Hoo (in my best Grinch voice).

Who cares more, or works harder than you?

Snap out of it! SLAP! SLAP!

You're Pastor Ruth, dammit.

Even *I* know that.

But I insist on establishing boundaries. That's not too popular around here. As someone once remarked (and these remarks ALWAYS get back to me!), "We just can't seem to control our pastor."

Thanks, bleev. :hug:

That they also have grief, pain, sadness, and other things going on in their lives.

With the new bishop and DS's, they've changed the way they think about making appoinments. They are now also holding CHURCHES accountable. That's something that never happened when I was in NC. There, whenever there was a problem, they simply moved the pastor.

So, I figure that's something, anyways.

Amen, SG. :hug:

Churches as a whole SHOULD be held accountable. The church is comprised of all its members, not just the pastor.

I hope you get the hearing (as in open ears) that you deserve.

Five years ago, I was called to a meeting with the Bishop (now retired, thankfully). About 10 minutes into the meeting, it was apparent that she had already made up her mind, and wasn't going to listen to a thing I had to say. I'm still majorly pissed about that.

These guys are new, and have recently been pastors themselves. I have a feeling they will be at least a little symathetic.

I think that when you've walked in the same shoes at some point, understanding the problems and the good things about it is so much easier.

These problems are not always the fault of the pastor. The congregation also has numbers on their side and if they want to they can freeze out the best of pastors. It's hardly a fair game in that sense.

One of them is now on the pastor-parish committee.

All the rest of them love me! (but they're cowards)

are what children desperately need, and what communities can't function properly without.

It's what enables leaders to lead. It also gives complainers stuff to complain about.

If you're confident about your boundaries, it means you have confidence in your leadership.

which I will prayerfully unpack later tonight.

Thanks, bleev.

Because you're a leader.

Can't you point to the history and tell them you're doing better than the last few, just by time served?

:hug:, Rev. Here's my advice: Don't let the assholes get you down.

:yourock:

one person on the committee kept insisting on having a Worship committee. Long story short, I finally asked "why is this a priority for us? In every one of my evaluations, you have consistently given me superior marks in the area of worship. It seems to me that we ought to be focusing our energy in areas that need attention."

People are stoopid. :banghead:

But :yourock: :hug:

That you don't want to have a Worship committee because you don't need one? Oh, my word. :hug:

They are mad because:
1. I took time off to care for my Dad, empty his apartment, and work on four key points:
a) Clean the parsonage. (it's not dirty, it's cluttered - and, IMO, not an issue for them to consider. They can complain if I have damaged something - which I have not.)
b) Keep office hours. (kinda hard to do when you're off for a month, huh?)
c) Make a list of my duties as a pastor. (where do you begin? and how do you document "hours per month spent on counseling/funerals/hospital visits?)
d) Make an appointment to begin counseling.

All I could manage to do was keep office hours (since I've returned), and do a poor job in cleaning the house.

the picture I was looking for. It is of Ter in his bike clothes. Why was I looking for this picture? So I could send it you way with something like, "Be nice to Pope Cheesy or I'm going send him to kick your ass!" Want me to beg Ter to make a wrong turn and come kick some ass for you? Hell want me to try sneaking in the truck and come kick some ass for you?

Sending lots of :hug:s your way. Sounds like you are doing more than is humanly possible. Make your list of what is right and what is wrong. A list for you! Then decide what you want to bring up with whoever.


As you should of done and too bad if they can't handle it. Dad comes first and they can get over it if they don't like it.
If they don't like the clutter they can offer to help you get it under control. Then send them my way to help me. These days your place would probably look pristine compared to here.


As things return to normal (whatever that is) set some office hours convenient to you.


Get a weekly planner that breaks things down by the hour for each day and write everything down for a month. Even phone calls. Use that to make up a list of your duties and how much time it takes. Average it out if it is a slow month. You need to be keeping track of mileage etc. for taxes anyway.Keep it with you at all times. Let them see you write in it. If they are nosy enough to ask tell them what you are doing. Start with tomorrow even if you have to use a loose piece of paper. Hell be really mean and break it down to an hourly wage according to what you get paid. After you finish crying about how little you get paid make sure they see the breakdown. Most pastors are not getting rich and would make more money in the civilian world. It ain't called a calling for nothing.


Is this for you or for you to give counseling to others? If for you put it at the top of the list. You at least need a sounding board for all that you have been through and need a place to vent. If for others, do what you can when you can. Bet you already try to do more than you can with what you have. (Time and emotional wise.)



Sounds like the best pastor I know needs to do a sermon on what a real Christian is. The cowards will love it and hopefully the complainers would read the appropriate passages (in the bulletin in case they couldn't find them) and get a clue. You could slide in stuff relevant without calling out for weeks. :evilgrin:

Hoping this makes sense as the dogs are crying as I type. Will be back after letting them out.

It's NOT knowing how to establish boundaries that will kill you...believe me, I know.

Yeah, that's their problem, exactly...they can't control you. Pity for them. Salvation for you!

Or as Jesus said, "shake the dust off your feet and move on." :)

:hi: Wish we were closer to you but Cassie says that she "Wishes You Good Luck". Cassie says that the thing that she does when she gets scared is "think about things that I can do to change the problem and see what you can't change. Then ask someone you trust if they can help". :hug:

Just know that you're not alone. You're ALWAYS special to us! Wish we could visit your church.

Cassie is a very smart little girl!

:hug: Hugs for you too. Just read upstream about your daughter. Glad to hear the rest of the stone will be gone. Wishing her well.

And so true, too.

:hi: and :hug: Hugs for you!

Best advice I've ever received. You have a gem there, Gigi!!! :hug:

And, just for Cassie: :hug::hug::hug:

:hi: and Cassie is indeed smart! But I guess it's because she has a smart mom!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

:hug: :loveya: Lots of good wishes heading your way!!!!

dg

are you available? :hug:

:hug:

dg

I luvs ya!! :hug:

He went from being a GOP troglodyte to being intelligible because he was disgusted with *. Now his reptilian brand loyalty has him reverting to nonsense like "Obama has run an elitist, ultra-liberal campaign".

So long, Joe. It was nice to have had you, at least briefly, awake and responsive.


:patriot:

and not start acting like someone else's creation! Right on, Chris!

Yeah, Joe. Because, as Our Dear Leader has proven in one photo op after another, ROLLING UP YOUR SLEEVES is the key to making people think you are JUST ANOTHER HARD-WORKING GUY LIKE THEM and that you are WORKING FOR THEM. No, it's not just a ploy to pander to them. Naaah. :shrug:

That was awesome.

SHE NEEDS HER OWN SHOW!!!

But we do need Rachel to have her own show, and I think she will.

That would be awesome, except it runs simultaneously with her radio show.
Or could she do an Imus thing for an hour? Without the hate?

Horta, who has learned to "blog" on your "internets". I am not qualified to program your "teevee sets".

Hey! C'mon over to the other thread!

Still stuck in West Texas in a hotel room without MSNBC. :cry:

Apparently, I am missing a really lousy tie & another "Greatest Speech in the Universe for All Time" by a crazy lady who still thinks she has a shot to be president.

:hi: :loveya:

dg

Hope things are going well!

:hi:

You should be able to still watch Obama's speech on SOME station.

I HATE hotel rooms with no MSNBC. I refuse to stay in an MSNBC-free room anymore unless it's a weekend!

:scared: at least the ones I've stayed at.

dg

Oregon hasn't even closed yet, so I'm thinking we need a new one.

:thumbsup: