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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:03 PM
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Keith's broadcast has started.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:05 PM
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1. Wow, we posted at the Same Time :)
24/7 Team Keith Watch Coverage....LOL.
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:23 PM
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2. We're on the job, Catch (Neither of us is on MSNBC's payroll, honest!)
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:27 PM
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4. PS - I always check to see if someone has already posted any announcement
. . . I plan to post, and I didn't see one. Amazing that we both hit "send" at 6:03.

(Mad at myself that there wasn't a new tape in when he started that beautiful intro. It was classic Olbermann.)

:loveya:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:07 PM
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18. Yes, I check the forum first, then posted.
Great minds think alike!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:32 PM
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8. I wish I was on the NBC payroll
typing in my sweats at home of course!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:25 PM
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3. maybe someone should start an emergency KOEB meeting?
Or, perhaps, we could just gather here for a bit of levity in an otherwise gloomy day... :(
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:28 PM
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5. Hi, Rev. We could move to ER at 8:00. . . People will look for us there at
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 06:31 PM by WhirlyGirl
-- that time, I think.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:16 PM
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20. Maybe we could just post the link to here at Countdown time.
Is that tie what I think it is? :wow:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:19 PM
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22. Yes, that's a good idea. If someone posts it I'll be glad to KICK it every
. . . 5 minutes or so -- or whenever it starts to drop -- until everyone finds his/her way here.

:loveya:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:20 PM
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24. Don't "over-kick". Just keep in on the front page of ERD.
We all know where to look for the initials. :)

I'll go do it now.
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:27 PM
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26. Understood.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:38 PM
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30. No, no, no
We've been through this before. The Tie doesn't have all that blue in it.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:42 PM
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36. well, when the "minister of discipline" appears,
he may deal with me. O8)
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:44 PM
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38. Dang, you're so . . .
. . . kinky.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:45 PM
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39. like a tie.
:evilgrin:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:10 PM
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136. In the meantime, all good EDVs will discipline themselves.
:hi:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #136
146. Eye SEE you!
;) How are ya, bleev?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:20 PM
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153. I'm definitely in the mood to celebrate life.
All of ours.

BTW, I never meant, when I said that cow-tipping was a red state thing, to imply that 'Sconsin was red. I shoulda said a red County sport.

And I know that for all your *reformed* tendencies, you never did that, unless the cow way in the way of some mushrooms you wanted.

:hi:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:24 PM
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156. Well, I saw that CW chastised you properly.
I've never been cow-tipping, although I have known a few people who have. My crowd went more for "let's go drinking at the pig farm." It seemed to be the only place where the Old Style was better than the atmosphere.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:30 PM
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6. I think this is the Emergency Meeting Rev !
I've had the tv on all day listening for the sad and "official" announcement, and I tell ya, hearing Keith's voice is the most comforting and dignified of them all! I hope they keep him on the rest of the night!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:47 PM
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40. I totally agree!
I am in my comfort zone when I hear Keith. His tone is perfect for the occasion... gentle and loving.

As if I needed any more reason to love him... :loveya:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:58 PM
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44. Pleeeeeease, MSNBC -- recommend him for a NEWS Emmy, willya?-- it's . . .
. . . LONG overdue, considering his history of excellent work.
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:02 PM
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Hey Cheese
Another quiet nite I see. :-(
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:04 PM
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128. It is good to see you.
:hug:
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:10 PM
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137. I came in late last nite
to clean the thread, but you'd already left.:hug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:22 PM
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154. You are so kind.
I saw your notes, and laughed, but I just didn't have energy enough to respond.

Yesterday, I found out that one of our retired Bishops died last week. He was a friend of mine (he attended one of the churches I interned at). He took me under his wing, so to speak. He was a kind and gentle man, and an intellectual giant.
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:26 PM
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158. Sorry Rev
:hug: A lot of loss going around it seems.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #158
166. Well, like the good Bleev said,
"I'm definately in the mood for celebrating life."


For your kindness, I would like you to meet Binky.
She is the one who stays with me wherever I go.
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:40 PM
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172. She's beautiful
:loveya: What's her personality?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:46 PM
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178. She's a bit shy.
When she was a kitten, she belonged to a friend of mine. Her boyfriend claimed there was an "accident," that she had fallen. She had a broken leg and concussion. Took her months to heal, and it left emotional scars (Meghan ditched the BF, and saved Binky's life).

So she bears emotional scars. She doesn't trust younger men, but has absolute love for those who are "more mature" (that is, over 40). She adores my dad. :)
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:50 PM
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181. She'd probably
like me then. I get along with most kittys. They can tell that I understand that the world belongs to them and it is our job to serve them.:D
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:56 PM
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186. I'm certain of that.
My cats have incredible personality radar. Some people, they greet and walk away. Others they hide from. But the truly great people get the full welcome: circling around the person, rubbing their heads on your shoes, your legs, and if you're sitting, your hair.

Kitty love is indeed the best!

How's Jamie tonight?
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:59 PM
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188. Being her cute self
My housemate, Dave, usually feeds her when he gets up at 5:00am. I sleep until 6:30 normally, yet once the alarm clock goes off, I hit the snooze. Jamie will come in and gentley tap my mouth until I get up.:loveya:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:04 PM
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193. Snooze buttons are satanic.
I have hit those things too often, and slept right through the cycle. It got so bad, I had to get a travel alarm clock to use for Sunday morning, just to make sure I didn't miss the regular clock.

Pretty lame, huh?

Now my internal clock is set better, so I just get up when I need to during the week, and use the alarm only on Sunday.

I sure wish my cats would give me a wake-up call. But they do come and tell me when I've been on the computer too long. :)
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:11 PM
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200. : ) When I'm on too long
Jamie will come in and tap me on the back, means it's time to play ball. ( I set two alarm clocks, I am NOT a morning person.)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:15 PM
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202. magic words....
Honestly, Sparks, could I possibly love you more than I do? :loveya:

Did I read last night that you do housework, too? I can handle cooking, but laundry is an ever-looming chore. And there's that Christmas tree thingy, too.
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:20 PM
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208. Laundry-cleaning
no problem. My mom made us learn young, but never taught my brothers or I too cook.

I'm all for passing a law that all x-mass wreathes must be off of doors by March 1. Violators shall do mandatory 1 year in house decoration rehab therapy.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:38 PM
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218. like a week at camp cupcake?
or whatever you call Martha's new digs? LOL.

Around here, that's a bit tricky. This week was the first time I could walk around the snow and get the lights off the bushes. Let's just say they're "indoors" but not stored.

Your mom is a wise woman. I grew up presuming that housework was everyone's job - we never had gender-assigned chores. I learned to cut the grass, and my brother knows how to do cleaning. Snow shovelling was a family event. When there's just two kids, everything gets cut down the middle.

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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:44 PM
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221. Lights left on bushes
is ok, as long as they're not turned on after Jan 1. There is NO excuse for a door wreath left up. Should you have one of those, I MUST punish you severely.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:54 PM
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223. Good Lord, never!
I have a Moravian Star, which I light until January 6 (Epiphany). This year, it took quite a beating from Lake Michigan's winter blasts.

But you know I'm always up for a punishment, don't you, you naughty boy?
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:57 PM
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226. : )
It's so hard to punish the willing.:evilgrin:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:01 PM
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229. oh my..
:rofl: You know me too well!
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:08 PM
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232. : )
:woohoo:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #166
209. Just gotta step in and say
Hi Blinky. Kitty kitty kitty.

Yes, me wuvvums kitty.

(Scratching kitty behind ears, on top of head).

Okay, back to saving democracy.

:)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:42 PM
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220. psst -
that's Binky, like the pacifier.

Well, she does like to "chew" on my finger. A nervous habit. Oddly enough, her first "mom" had no idea what a binky was - she just liked the name, and thought it fit.

You get major props for gushing over her, bleev. I don't think she's afraid of the eye-patch, either. ;)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:30 PM
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7. Ok, even though it's a sad occasion.
for those of us not near a TV, can we have a suit & tie report, please? :)
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:33 PM
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9. When is MSNBC gonna start WEBCASTING??? -- this is the kind of . . .
. . . broadcast which screams for availability on the Internet!!!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:27 PM
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67. Whirly, that's one of the best suggestions I've heard.
Why don't you go ahead and e-mail them? I'm sure they've considered it.
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:47 PM
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179. I will. And please, everyone, join me in suggesting it to them, okay?
If it's good enough for C-SPAN, it's good enough for MSNBC!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Dark suit, med blue shirt....and the tie is fuzzy on my screen....
..but it looks like The Tie....omigod, wonder if? The timing...
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:36 PM
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11. get OUT. really?
pls confirm.....
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:42 PM
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12. No, it's not it . . .
. . . this tie has three black stripes against a taupe background -- then a space -- and then another three stripes, and so on.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:45 PM
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13. Yes, our tie has extremely frivolous connotations,
at least for US. :7 Probably not the right tie for such a day.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:59 PM
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15. Thanks for confirming......
I'm far away from my screen, hence fuzzy, but I did see stripes.

I'm glad it isn't THE one, because it's not really a floatie heart time right now :(
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:02 PM
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16. I'm glad they played his fine intro again.
It's the only part I didn't have recorded.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:38 PM
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32. Nooooooooo
it's NOT the tie.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:19 PM
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23. The problem is, dear Crispi -
that they're actually reporting the NEWS, therefore the focus isn't on Keith very long at all. I'm only catching glimpses. I think it's probably the "pseudo-tie."

Of course, we all know where he keeps THE tie! :evilgrin:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:30 PM
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27. Rev, it's good you all settled on a nice . . .
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 07:32 PM by WhirlyGirl
. . . soft one, then. ;-)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:45 PM
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14. And the coverage has just improved by about 10-fold, as well.
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 06:48 PM by Clark2008
There's more in-depth coverage about the Pope, himself, and less about what Shrub thinks or what the fundies think and that crap.

Hours and hours and hours of Keef! :loveya:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:03 PM
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17. Sorry Clark, I didn't see your floatie hearts......
...if you saw my comment, I meant it like this kind of floatie heart night:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

I'll shut up now :banghead:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:09 PM
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19. Don't worry, Catch . . .
. . . thank goodness for the Edit button for the times I almost stepped on my tongue -- and for the group's understanding of sudden brain farts when the editing period elapsed before I saw my boo-boos! (As when I transposed people's kids last night. :eyes:)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:16 PM
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21. So, stupid question, but
KO getting all this air time is a GOOD thing, right?

And do ya'll think they're actually gonna run Countdown tonight, or just special coverage?

And, is the Pope dead yet? They've been saying it on and off all day and by now I'm genuinely confused....
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:24 PM
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25. I think Countdown is effectively pre-empted by the ongoing vigil, crisp --
. . . I love hearing him speaking off the script. NO ONE can do this like he can.

To your other question, Keith said at 6 that the announcement of the death was contradicted by the Vatican; and a guest soon after opined that if death occurred in the middle of the night the Vatican would WAIT UNTIL MORNING to announce it, being mindful of the announcement's importance and the sensitivity of many who would be hearing it.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:38 PM
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31. He is actually asking questions of relevancy.
I realize a lot of this coverage is overkill (please, no pun intended), but at least Keith is asking the correct questions and not comparing the Pope to Bush or Reagan and all that crap that CNN was doing earlier today.

I like that he's talking more of the Pope's history, the plans for replacements and the geo-political implications instead of what the freepin' fundies think.

Oh - and it was Faux News, of course, who ran with "the Pope's dead" story and had to publically apologize for it. :rofl: Not that that info isn't to be expected.
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:49 PM
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42. I think there are some guests who will only come on and speak to Keith . .
. . . for that very reason.

One way or the other, he always brings out the best in any guest.

As to the Fox thing -- remember what I said yesterday about Murdoch messing in the editorial side of the NYPost, and their having to retract stuff as a result? This erroneous death announcement is undoubtedly MORE OF THE SAME.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #31
64. The irony here is that it will again be a repeat of Election 2000.
He's dead. No he's not.
This just in: FOX is right - he's dead.

Sounds a bit like a Python sketch, eh?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:30 PM
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75. Fox jumped the gun today and announced his death based
on a misinformed Italian press rumor, then CNN, and THEN both retracted that shortly thereafter, but not before the "Pope Has Died" thread was running really long today in LBN....LOTS OF CONFUSION. Skinner jumped in to change the subject line and left the thread!

Fortunately, the Network of Keith, took the high road and will only make announcements based on OFFICIAL Vatican word.

Whew, been a long day!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:34 PM
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81. I'll give MSNBC. They're still following the "Brokaw Rule."
"We will get the news to you. We might not be first, but we WILL be accurate."

The only good thing to come out of Election 2000, IMO. :thumbsup:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:17 PM
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149. thanks Rev, I needed that.....
But now that Scarborough's taken over, I sometimes forget how pithed I get at MSNBC.

I'm sending them a note now...no more Donahue's or Healy's as analysts! Especially that this is the Pope, they reek of rw spin!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #149
160. Yeah, it might be time to change the channel...
but I hope the gathering will continue. This is helpful for me, and the laughter and camaraderie is good.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:42 PM
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175. From a Non-Practicing Catholic
this thread is good for me too. Mostly because, as alot of DU threads proved to me today....I understand why I'm not practicing, but also understand why I'm still Catholic. A rough day for the religious wishy-washies...heh.

I may pop into the Catholic DU group for further understanding and to lend support also in the days ahead. Like my whole life dictates, Catholics rock, but they also drive me crazy too!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #175
190. That's really great.
I had a course in Catholicism while in Div School (hey, I was even dating a Catholic at the time!).

I have tremendous respect for the Church, as well as much of its teachings. But for me, it was a reaffirmation of my own faith.

I often heard people say "once Catholic, always catholic" (capitalization intentional). I interpreted that to mean that one could leave the institution, but still remain within the church.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #190
205. Exactly...I keep the happy parts of my early childhood catechism
in my heart and soul...so to speak. So I won't take sides in the religion (DU) discussions, because I think it's a personal journey.

Much like I couldn't spew on the Schiavo threads, because, in my heart and soul, I couldn't let a child of MINE live like that for 15 years. :::shaking head for the parents::: I wouldn't let a pet of mine live 15 days like that...but it got religious :::sigh:::

I'm still pissed at our Congress for getting involved in the first place, which Keith so subliminaly refers to in his wonderful blogs!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #205
211. I agree.
We need to be focusing on where the real evil lies. Right now, we're letting someone else frame our debates for us - and just look at what's happened. It feels like a hurricane has passed through, and now we're in recovery mode.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:35 PM
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28. Why is he on at 7?
and how did I NOT know this?

Hello Everyone. I thought I was getting home early tonight too. Damn!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. He went on at 6 Sydnie !
Special coverage for the Pope tonight.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Thanks Catch
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 07:44 PM by Sydnie
I am beginning to feel like that old saying of George Gobels -- "Did you ever feel like the whole world is a tuxedo and you were a brown shoe?" I missed the first hour and a half of LIVE Keef coverage. :::::Heavy Sigh:::::

edit sp
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:52 PM
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43. I missed it too
*stares at brown shoes*
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #43
108. Hi, fern!
:hi: It's been a long time since I've seen you around. How are ya?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #43
122. Didn't see you until now.
Glad you're here and there's no need to shoegaze. I missed it too. We can be losers together. :)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #43
147. Hi fern. I was wondering if you hadn't been around much, or if
I just have trouble seeing your name when my vision's doubled.

:hi:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #147
167. It begs the question...
Can a one-eyed man get double vision??
Doesn't that involve some kind of hallucinogenic?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #167
189. LOL!
Outta the way, damn cow!

:7
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #189
196. You made me giggle.
:7
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #196
198. My work here is done.
Go in peace.

:)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #198
206. well done, thou good and faithful servant.
I was going to say "why thank you, Jesus" but thought you might be insulted rather than complimented. :hi:

(Geez - too many eggshells. I'll return to snark next week.)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #206
213. No worry about eggshells, at least for me.
I'm cool with Jesus, as long as he doesn't mind (and I know in my heart he doesn't) sitting down with Buddha.

I got years of education with both.

:hi: And, in case it hasn't been mentioned lately,

:yourock:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #213
222. I think Jesus and Buddha probably run a bar together in the afterlife.
You know, "where everybody knows your name, and they're always glad you came."

:yourock: back atcha, bleev.
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #206
219. I admit to being surprised
at how many people bashed DU Christians this week. As I recall, religious leaders were in the forefront of the civil rights movement, and in this area, performing gay marriages before the state made it legal. Progressive Christians have helped progressive causes a lot, imho.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #219
224. Now, stop that.
You don't want this to happen to you:
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #224
228. Those are facts
I didn't make them up. The unitarians were marrying lesbians here long before the court ruling. :thumbsup:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #228
236. Very true.
And then there's the "Boston Personalism" theology of the late 19th, early 20th century... a progressive response to the fundamentalist reaction of Darwin.

Most people are under the false impression that the only response to Darwinism was Fundamentalism. The church also responded with Liberalism, and led the way to many reforms, not just in theological thinking, but also throughout society.

"I am a good Methodist." O8)
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #236
238. I didn't know that either
I've always been fascinated by different belief systems, from wiccan to catholicism, and everything in between. If you have time someday, pm me a synopsis of methodist belief structure. I'm honestly curious.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #238
241. you betcha.
I really think it's all part of the whole. Some may call me a universalist, but I prefer to think of it as "inclusively enlightened."

John Wesley was pretty much squarely in the middle, an "evangelical-orthodox." (think of that as a liturgical charismatic). That's me. Worship is structured and ordered, yet also meaningful and full of life.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:36 PM
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29. I turned the TV on at 7 and thought the Pope had died when I heard KO
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. Fortunately, he's been there to keep the record straight without sounding
. . . repetitious.

Hi, Sharon! :hi:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. Hi, Whirly
:hi:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:48 PM
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41. I just checked out the poll linked from another thread and
KO has pulled ahead in all three categories. He was just behind Aaron Brown in credibility earlier when I voted.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:01 PM
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45. I am so confused...
Where are we and what's going on?

:loveya:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. I think the plan is to stay here, since
it doesn't look like there's a regular Countdown on because of the Pope's impending death and KO's nonstop coverage of it. Rev posted a link over there so people could find us.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. I can deal with that...
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 08:07 PM by Patsy Stone
And then I won't feel guilty for going on in the face of the impending black smoke about how good KO looks tonight.

Plus, it's Friday, I have wine, and we're Jewish. :)

:hi: Sharon
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. Is this where I say "shabbat shazam?"
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. It is indeed, Rev.
All the best people do.

What was that thing with the WI quarter? How many leaves should my ear of corn have?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #51
56. LOL. I have no idea.
Some have said one leaf on the left side is normal, if you have two on the left, you got the winner.

All I know is that WI quarters are hard to come by - at least, around here they are!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #56
66. Currently
I have two; you want one?

I'll keep one for the collection, but I thought you'd once said that some were different. Both of mine are the same, though. :(

It appears that in addition to a very small husk, there's a larger leaf on the left. That would make me unlucky in cards (or coins), I suppose. :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #66
77. You could always save it for the "tip" jar.
Has anyone seen our bartender lately? :hide:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #77
82. Not yet
but I haven't made it all the way through the thread once. :)
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #77
94. Okay, this is weird
I just reached into the drawer where Hubby keeps the quarter collection and the first one I picked up was Wisconsin. How freaky is that?!?!? One leaf on each side. I hadn't heard about there being different ones.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. See my post to you on the KOEB in 2004 Election results
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=351919&mesg_id=351932
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:17 PM
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54. I did, thanks Clark.
How are you this fine Friday night? I'm alright and I missed you all last night. When I went to watch the rerun at midnight, it ws Dan Abrams and they couldn't do anything but read other people's reports on Il Papa's health.

Good for KO. I'm so pleased that they chose him to lead this story. He was also the only one I've heard so far say that the rest of the CM went with the incorrect story that he'd died earlier today.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #54
89. I just had a thought....this would have been Tweety's gig....
Chris Matthews is on vacation, and probably would be covering this, if he weren't on his way to the VATICAN. Lots of newsie tidbits all day today, my brain is scrambled (no offense to TS).
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #89
96. Hi, Catch.
See... we are, on this sad day, blessed by the fortunate circumstances of Tweety's vacation. Amen. :)
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #96
138. We'll probably have the Tweets on 24/7
from the passing/funeral/electing new Pope/etc.

He wears his Catholicism on his sleeve big time too!

Oh Gawd, here's Bernadine Healy again...::reaching for the remote::
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. Shabbat Shalom to you, Patsy


Sorry - that's the closest I could find!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #50
84. L'Shana Tovah
it is then. :)

Poor man. All in all he was a good man. At least KO is respectful enough to speak about him and interview people well enough that I'm actually learning something on the NEWS! WTF?

KO: :loveya::loveya:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #47
60. It's Friday, I have wine and I'm Catholic (lapsed).
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 08:56 PM by Clark2008
I know many here don't agree with the Pope's positions on reproduction, but I have great respect for this Pontiff. He has impressed me more than upset me. His reaching out to Jews and Muslims, helping free his homeland of Poland and standing up to people like the blivet on wars, in my mind, at least, out-weighs his lack-of-a-stance on the pedophiles in chruch, which I think he should have cleaned up.
His life is fascinating, though, and I have always thought his heart was in the right place, even if I disagree with some of his positions.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. I'm learning a lot about him tonight, Clark
I really knew very little before and he's been Pope almost half of my life. I've always respected him a lot, though, and it's very sad even for non-Catholics when someone like that dies.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #60
87. I agree
I never ever got a woogie feeling, even though our positions conflicted about a bunch of things.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #87
144. That is a kind and respectful thing to say, Pats..
Mazel Tov :toast:

(how'd I do on the spelling?)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #60
91. Yes, I'm an ex-Catholic too. There is much to respect in what this pope
did, and now in the time of his death, that's what to focus upon.

In another thread today soneone mentioned seeing photos of intense prayer services for him in a Muslim group in Palestine and in a Jewish temple in Israel. He also tried to restrain W from his killing both on the small scale (executions in Texas) and on the massive scale (Iraq). Long ago, when he first came to office, he was also a beacon of hope to Soviet-dominated Poland.

Yes, there is much I disagree with in what he has done and said, but also much to admire.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:14 PM
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52. Wow! Did you hear Keith on the pope?
"Spirit of progressiveness, at least, if not doctrine."

Maybe that comment can help clarify the discussion of religion vs. politics. I think it was brilliant.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. I've been trying to explain this all day to people
I really would like to have a copy of that tribute Keith (probably) wrote and has been re-reading at the top of each hour. It's absolutely beautiful.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Yeah, that was good, too.
but the comment I heard him make was while he was interviewing Jesse Jackson. I think they were trying to ask, "why should non-Catholics care?" in a very polite way.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #52
58. He's good alright...
but we already knew that. Doesn't it make you feel a bit (sorry) "superior"? :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #58
174. I've never been called "superior" before,
although there have been plenty who have called me a mother...

Around here, Superior is a Lake, as well as a position or vocation. :)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #174
197. Oh, Rev...
I'm sure they meant it in the nicest possible way. :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #197
227. But of course.
Where's the Grey Goose? You deserve a gift for that, dear.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #52
79. That's brilliant wording, captures the truth in few words without
too much negativity. There are such strong emotions about the doctrinal positions under this conservative pope, yet he did good things too. And he really had W's number. He personally called to ask W to reconsider some executions in Texas. As one poster in this interesting thread ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3402887 ) said, "He personally called Gov Bush on several different occassions pleading with him not to execute certain people, some of whom were mentally retarded or minors when they comitted crimes. Bush basically told him to fuck off each time. No, he did not like Bush, no matter what Bush told American Catholics."

Keith really has such an amazing sense of HOW to present news, combined with a knowledge of what is important.
 
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:15 PM
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53. Hello People, I've found you and Keith over here at last
You know, I wonder if they put him in for Big Anchor during the pope's death because of the very fine job he did, calm and compassionate and professional, around the 9/11 tragedy. The man isn't all funny stories, SOMEBODY in the power structure at MSNBC has realized.

He also did a very fine job with Mrs. Schiavo's death - grave and dignified and spot-on the relevant aspects. Who else could handle this great, and for so many very sad, transition in the papacy?

He's the best, there's no other anchor these days that's even close.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:18 PM
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57. Hello Everyone...
Somber day and night. Stayed away from the TV as much as possible today. Raked leftover leaves out of the garden, put down new mulch and started getting things ready for May when I can get new annuals planted. Tulips and daffodils are coming up. Daffy's are ready to bloom any day. Getting the flower beds ready is therapy what with all the sad news.







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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #57
61. yep, the garden is a great comfort
and the spring is beautiful. all of our daffs are out here and I've got the 'maters in.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:29 PM
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72. too early to plant
anything yet here. Could start some stuff in side but just easier to buy plants. They always tell me to wait until the Kentucky Derby to plant. After having been in FL for decades I feel like it should be sunny and 80 in Feb. still.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #72
102. Yeah, I got my plants in a bit early
but by June it will be 106 and nothing will grow.... so I decided to take the risk and hope that it wouldn't freeze -- and so far, it hasn't.

Got peppers and cukes, too, and some of the peppers are already thinking about flowering! :thumbsup:
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:56 PM
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112. Ok I'm just
jealous. I know we will get another freeze here. I do have bad case of spring fever. And they are calling for rain the next few days. The local news will they will have to open 20 or more gates on the dam and flood poor Port Deposit again by Monday.



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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #57
70. Wanna come over and do mine?
I couldn't do my fall clean-up when I dislocated my shoulder and all of the beds are full of leaves. I think it will take me until July to get them all cleaned out and get all the dead stuff cut down. I can't do too much at a time because I don't want to overdo it with my arm, so it will be very slow work -- an hour or so at a time probably.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #70
83. I would is a great
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 08:39 PM by CC
workout. Sorry to hear about your arm. Have any kids in the neighborhood need some cash? Used to have a little guy around here started at 8 raking and weeding. Was affordable and a hard worker. Most people paid him more than he ask. Most of us hired him because he was so cute and wanted to earn his own money so bad instead of because we needed him to do it.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:50 PM
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100. That would be great, but I don't know anyone
I've been debating about hiring a gardening service just for the initial clean-up. It would sure take a load off for me. I may ask around this week and get some prices.

Between my arm and the fact that I had bad sciatica problems last year before I went for physical therapy I really shouldn't be doing all that bending and lifting.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:59 PM
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119. Might be a good
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 09:02 PM by CC
idea to look into it. Then in July you could sit and enjoy your flowers and think about how nice it is to have them and not have put in all the sweat and toil.


Edited to add Why don't you have Botany send you the lawn boy from Gull Bay. Sounds like that would be a treat to the eyes in addition to getting the work done.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #119
124. I think you've convinced me
Once the clean-up is done I can do the little bit of annual planting I do and the weeding (yuk -- as much as I hate that!). I have mostly perennials.

Thanks, CC!
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #124
129. You are very
welcome. You will be happy in the summer. Course I'll have to have ya post pics then too.
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:24 PM
Response to Original message
62. Hi everybody!
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 08:24 PM by greenmutha
Just popping in to say hi. :hi: I have a show tomorrow that I'm getting ready for, so I can't stay but for a minute or two.

Keef's been on for two hours already? Man, this thread is gonna be a monster tonight!

For Keef and the EDV's of the KOEB: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

On edit - And for the ASTB, too! :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Hi Green! Good to see you - and good luck with your show tomorrow
:loveya: :loveya: :hug: :loveya: :loveya:
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Thanks Hope!
:hug: to you, too.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #62
73. Missed you!
Have a great show tomorrow, mutha. Good luck!

:loveya::loveya::loveya:
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:30 PM
Original message
Thanks, Patsy...
:hug:
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #62
78. hi and have a great show tomorrow.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:28 PM
Response to Original message
69. Monica! Truckin' it two blocks over to St. Patrick's.
And still she gets to be called "on location", because she didn't have to drive to Jersey today. :)
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:29 PM
Response to Original message
71. Howdy all
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 08:29 PM by Greylyn58
I see we are meeting here tonight. Hope everyone is having a pleasant evening whereever you are.

:bounce: :bounce: :woohoo: :woohoo: :toast: O8) :toast: :woohoo: :woohoo: :bounce: :bounce:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :grouphug: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:




By the way: I've reduced the size of my Sheridan picture as I was jumped on by several DUer's in another thread for it's size. I hope my continuing to post it doesn't offend anyone because that is not my intention.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #71
80. Hi and I like his pic
it brings a smile. Maybe they were dial up people and slowed them down.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #71
183. He's still beautiful.
As to the other thing: yada, yada, yada... I am convinced that some people are never happy unless they are complaining. I thought that was an activity reserved for the fundies.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:30 PM
Response to Original message
74. This tie...
is, like, KO's most favorite tie. :loveya: He wears it at least once a week. I'm almost sure he wore it Monday. Just wanted to make that observation.

And, I'm not Catholic, but :hug: to everyone who is. From what they're saying it seems like this was a good pope. I actually saw him when I was in college -- he came to San Antonio, and what the hey, how many chances do you have to see the pope? So all of us college kids went to mass. I don't think one of us was Catholic. :P
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #74
105. You have a good memory, crispini -- it *is* the one he wore on the28th --
. . . Don has left an image up on gogomag. Here's the link:
-- http://www.gogomag.com/cgi-bin/tvheads_viewer.pl?tvheads28478&28478&Keith
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #105
113. Heh.
Well, if he's gonna wear the same tie twice in one week, SOMEONE's gonna notice. :P Just call me tie-obsessed. :7
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #113
201. More like Keith-obsessed,
with latent tie compulsions, IMO. :)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #201
207. Pot, meet kettle,
:evilgrin:

To the "ties" that bind! :toast:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #207
237. I think I need a bitch-slap emoticon.
Where the hell is seito when you need her?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:30 PM
Response to Original message
76. Shouldn't there be more people
in St. Peter's Square?
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #76
86. There were a lot more earlier.
It's, like, 3:00 a.m. now and a lot of people went home. I'm sure they'll be back at daybreak.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #86
99. Shouldn't people be flying in from all over the place?
Shouldn't there be a full house in St. Peter's? Like Midnight Mass?

I was surprised, that's all.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #99
107. They had a mass earlier in the evening.
I'm sure there are people from all over the world there, too, but it is the middle of the night. Of course, that didn't stop the people outside the hospice in Pinella for the past two weeks, but then what's more important -- the Pope or Terri Schiavo?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #76
88. Hi Pats, and EDVs all. Can somebody put a record on?
I think we're all here to celebrate life, with some of our best friends.

:hi:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #88
97. Oh yes, bleever - you are so right. Here's what I'm playing right now
on my computer:
R. Carlos Nakai: "Canyon Trilogy" (he's a wonderful Native American flutist)

I've been feeling sad for the last few days. Let's have some good companionship and celebrate life, as you say.
:pals:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #97
139. Sounds good, Hope. We've been sad enough this week.
I'm ready for raucous, life-affirming fun.

:pals:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #139
145. I'm trying to start a small life-affirming project - see if you want in:
I would like each of us to find one or two news stories that lift the spirits and strengthen hope. For example, the one on Rwanda I posted in this thread a little earlier. If we started a clubhouse thread for collecting these, we could post the collection in GD tomorrow evening. I think it would be a good thing all around. I know I've been sad these last few days, and it feels like a time to exercise those "hope muscles" - work to lift spirits.

What do you think, bleev?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #145
162. Stories of Hope. I think it's a good idea.
I'll think about what I'd add to the list.

My high spots of the week aren't really feel-good stories, but I'm glad that the judicial system worked for TS, and that the commission on the Iraq intelligence came back to blast it.

If I remember something uncomplicated, like the rhino that adopted the goat after the tsunami, I'll let you know! Though I know would denounce that as unholy.

:)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #162
177. I think both complicated and uncomplicated stories have places
Just pick ones that especially resonate for you, no matter what they are. I truly believe that will work the best, and it will also cheer you the most. All of us will overlap some in our choice of stories, but there will be differences too because each of us reacts most strongly to different issues.

So please, choose what speaks most strongly to your own sense of hope.

:hug:

I've started the KOEB clubhouse story collection thread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=315&topic_id=1796#1800
Title: KOEB PROJECT: Please post news stories that are HOPEFUL in this thread
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #88
104. What would you like to hear?
Sydnie and I are doing a new version of Maxwell's Silver Hammer up above.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #104
142. Great! Can you tell me what "pataphysical science" is?
Or is that too personal?

:shrug:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #142
159. Only...
and I mean ONLY if you tell me what a Pompatus of Love is?

:hi:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #159
169. And while we're being inquisitive, can someone tell me . . .
. . . WHICH Sean Kennedy is being referred to in the Gull Bay story?

I found a cute one in Google images -- but he lives in Canada.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #159
184. Alas, it's not something you tell someone;
you can only show them.

And Google image search isn't gonna fill the bill on this one.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #184
195. Pop Musik
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 10:23 PM by Patsy Stone
by M is on the digital station right now... just sharing...

I don't think that Google images would help me here come to think of it. Besides, I'd just get a bunch of rock and roll photos anyway. :)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #195
203. Yeah, I don't think it's one of those things you can take a picture of.
At least, you shouldn't if you're a Boy Scout leader.

:)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #159
240. well, some people call him the Space Cowboy..
God, I feel like FOX NEWS... :puke:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #76
90. Well, it's 3 AM there
that could have something to do with the small crowds.

I wonder about the lights on in the other areas of his suite. They reported that they shred his documents and such almost right away. Perhaps they have begun that process?

And what's with hitting him on the head three times. Not to be a smart ass at such a sad occassion, but, just who was the first person to do that and preclaim it a good thing? Wouldn't a mirror under his nose be more humane than three wacks in the head? They could have used a feather before mirrors were invented and gotten the same info as three shots to the head with a silver hammer. Could that have been what the Beatles really meant re: Maxwells Silver Hammer?

These are just the type of crazy thoughts this non-catholic has been having all day.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. LOL
Singing: "Sydnie was quizzical, questions oddly physical
actions to The Pope..."

:)
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #90
101. Why would
they shred his documents? Would think they would want to keep them. And I missed the hitting him on the head. Poor Father Abrams, going to call for Mac help and have me asking him these questions. Writing them down.



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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #101
111. I missed that, too.
Very strange custom.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #101
120. I would assume (and I don't know for a fact)
that they consider any of his papers to be personal and they might want the info to remain only known to him and god?

They also smash his ring. Again, don't know if it is so no other Pope will ever wear that ring or if they are breaking some sort of bond between his body and his spirit. I am just speculating on why they would shred the documents and smash the ring. If any one knows why they do these things, please share.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #90
143. Sydnie
They don't have to hammer him on the head three times and shout his name anymore.

As recently as 40 years ago, the Camerlengo did this by tapping the pope's head three times with a small hammer and shouting his family name close to his ear, but that colorful ritual is not mentioned in the 1996 revisions made by Pope John Paul II to streamline the process, and referred to by the opening Latin words of the document as "Universi Domini Gregis..." -- The shepherd of the Lord's whole flock...

However, the Camerlengo is still required to slip the papal ring off the dead pope's finger, and smash the official papal seal.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031001-043419-2720r

The reason they smash the ring is symbolic - the end of his authority.

Hope that helps! :)
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #143
168. Thanks -- but someone needs to tell that to CNN
because they covered that little detail numerous times today, that they WOULD be hitting him with a hammer, shredding his papers and smashing his ring. You gave a much better explanation of it than they did for sure.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #168
176. CNN sucks
They just half-ass do their jobs and there probably isn't a Catholic among them - or, if there is, he or she is probably one of those fundie Catholics who doesn't realize how progressive this Papacy is (yes, there are some aspects that weren't, but Pope John Paul II is/was truly representative of Vatican II, which first allowed mass in languages other than Latin and allowed the priest to face the audience - that kind of "progressive").
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #176
180. I whole heartedly agree they do SUCK!
It was on today when I was getting dressed for work. I had never heard of the hammer thing before yesterday in a thread here at DU. Having them say it today, I had no idea about that habit at all.

But really, who thought that was a good idea in the first place? Doesn't that seem a bit ODD to check to see if someone is alive with three blows to the head? LOL
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #180
192. I think that started back in the days when everyone was scared they'd
be buried alive.
This was to ensure against that.

I'm not sure why, really - but my mother would know. It's too late to call her and ask, though. I'll try to remember to ask her tomorrow at my son's soccer game or maybe see if its in my books somewhere - but I rather suspect it was to prevent against burying a Pope alive or something.

Some sort of superstition, in any case.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #176
248. Amen to that, Clark!
It's really kind of appalling how very little the media knows about religious matters. They make superficial attempts to inform, but often get distracted by using high profile figures, rather than thoughtful theologians. No wonder people have such a negative view of the church!

One exception: Jim Wallis. I hope his stature grows...he is wonderful.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:40 PM
Response to Original message
85. Botany's posted another Gull Bay installment in the other thread
I've invited him and his muse and all other wandering KOEBers over here to join us.

We need some cheering up tonight. I've been feeling strangely sad for the last few days, and Friday night KOEB sounds like a good way to restock warm feelings.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #85
95. "The misty clouds that threaded the sky over Gull Bay were like
TOTALLY AWESOME!!"

Okay, that's not Botany's. But this is:

...... on the point of land that overlooked Gull Bay. The cottage was part of the
grounds of the old light house which had for years had warned the ships about the
rocky shoals which were part of Gull Bay. The red wine warmed her and the
fresh ocean breeze tantalized her senses. She also thought Martha Stewart was
a "know it all rich bitch," but also wondered if Martha would not be jealous of the
way the "New Dawn" roses cascaded over the trellis above the gate to the cottage's
postage stamp yard.

She also looked out as Sean Kennedy back from college mowed the lawn. For
all her sophistication she looked at his butt and said out loud, using her "Lucky
Charms" wee person's voice, "Magically Delicious." My how those three years away
at school had filled him out. She looked as his rugby shirt and wonder if
being in a scrum and rucking were fun or painful? To her he looked parched
and she thought maybe I should mix up a batch of "Planter Punch" (2 oz. of
Meyers' rum, fresh o.j., a splash of grenadine and cracked ice per rock glass)
and take it to him? After all she hated to see him sweat in the crimson glow
of sunset without some refreshment.


BTW Sean Kennedy loves Goldens
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #95
103. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT!! YOWZA!
For all her sophistication she looked at his butt and said out loud, using her "Lucky
Charms" wee person's voice, "Magically Delicious." My how those three years away
at school had filled him out. She looked as his rugby shirt and wonder if
being in a scrum and rucking were fun or painful?

Oh yeah, open another Guinness and let's toast the continuing saga of Gull Bay!
:toast:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #95
109. Thanks for posting that Bleev
Botany's musings are not only titilating but also informative. I now know how to make the "perfect" planters punch!


Oh Lawnboy ---- Come 'ere, lawnboy! Mama's got something for you! ROFL
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #109
115. You and Gabriella...
fooling around with the lawn boy!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #115
135. Oh my - Seito's no longer the unchallenged Queen of Smilies! n/t
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #115
163. LOL
I love this one. :loveya:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #163
191. Sparky! I just now found you you're here in the clubhouse!
Good evening to you! Have a seat and a Guinness - :beer: - even the most assiduous bartender needs to be coddled now and again:
:hug: :hi:
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #191
225. Hi Hope
:toast:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #225
235. A lot of sadness out there tonight, Sparky - let's enjoy the good company
here by the fire.

And please note the KOEB project I'm suggesting downstream - collecting positive, genuinely hopeful news stories in a KOEB Group thread and then sharing them with DU. We all need some serious spririts-lifting, I think. I know I do, I've been feeling sad the last few days and I think the news is one reason why. So much negative and so little positive has been seen.

Glad to have your good company, Sparky!
:toast:
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #235
243. I know I wasn't watching the news
even KO. This group is a GREAT place to be.:grouphug:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #243
250. Sure is. I'm so glad we got our clubhouse, so we aren't out in the cold
during the weekends! I haven't been a Catholic in a very long time, but this somber death watch, the second this week, superimposed on so much bad news courtesy of the neocons, is hard to take without sharing with like minds.

Tulips in the garden are definitely growing again, puffed out and over 4 inches now. Blooming snowdrops with preoccupied bees in the local tiny nature preserve. Lots of water flowing, ducks are pairing, geese are getting more active about the pecking order. Saw our resident muskrat, quite close. No skunk cabbage yet, though, and the birdsong hasn't gotten loud yet.

Spring is coming. Not much old piled snow left now. More light, too. I'm glad this sadness isn't hitting in fall, that would be much harder to take.

Can you see what Keith is doing? Or are you listening through the KOEB like I am?
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #250
255. I'm only listening here
I'm boycotting news for a little while.

You're quite poetic, and I like the evening photos.:thumbsup:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #255
265. I'm glad you like the photos. Without really planning a campaign of it,
I'm trying to find ways to lift spirits. This year, or maybe I should start wih Nov 3, has been so hard to take. Even in good times, the news media concentrate on awful news because that gets the most attentive audience. But now - you really have to work to find the positive stories. It's like there's a glorying in death and despair and hatred of all kinds. It's so erosive. So, I am wanting to find ways to counter it.

I'm very visually-oriented, though I respond to sounds too. So photos are an easy pick for reminding of beauty and the natural world, away from the ugly scenes. I have enjoyed sharing what I've found on the web with the KOEB. I need to get back to painting, too. With the sadness, I've stopped that and now I need to restart.

I'm so relieved that it's spring instead of fall or winter or even late summer. Maybe I'll go get some sugar-snap pea seeds tomorrow and set about planting them. I think it's about time for that, and I'd love to see them coming up. I bet my landlord's two small daughters would enjoy it too. I recall when my daughter was small, she watched the few sugar-snap pea vines like a hungry hawk and many times I had to pick the three or four she declared were ready and run cook them for her right away. Good memories.

I seem to be rambling here. I guess it's that kind of a night. Thanks for your company.
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sparky_in_ma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #265
268. Good company
is why we're here.:pals: I've still got snow cover on my yard, but hopefully the rain will take it this weekend. Then I can start cleaning out the flower beds.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #268
279. Sounds good to me. By the way, did you ever see this gardening company?
http://www.gardensalive.com/Default.asp?bhcd2=1112429528

They're amazing - all natural products, many of them living organisms like fungi or nematodes or insects. Thanks to them and their anti-fungus (by competing with a beneficial fungus) and special tomato mineral cocktail (I never imagined they needed that much calcium and other metal ions!), I was finally able to raise a good crop of tomatoes last year after two years of miserable failures. (In previous years I had fine crops, and it was apparently a combination of fungus infection and calcium depletion that did them in.) I found out about them from a fascinating book I read about earthworms. (It was one of those you see on the library "new books" shelf and just have to check out because your curiosity and whimsy take over.)

Anyway, I recommend looking through their products.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #95
110. This story needs more posting of Golden "Buddy" pictures.
After all Sean Kennedy walked up to the EDV's door and knocked.
"Is this your dog? She tried to get in the truck w/ me?"

:rofl:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:45 PM
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92. OMIGAWD, that asshat Donohue is on Keith's show.....
who pummeled Michael Schiavo the past two weeks.

I'm going to take a ciggie break....
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #92
116. He's back live at 11 p.m.
But I've got to turn the intern killer off.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #116
130. thanks....was hoping Keef was in the for the long haul....
I just don't want to hear a death announcement from the Scab.

I want my bad news from Keef dammit.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #130
140. Keith was on for 3 hours straight -he deserves a break for a while
He can eat something, work on later news. They can bring him back if the pope dies meanwhile. And if he starts at 11 PM, when will he sign off? midnight? If the pope is in his last minutes, he might stay on longer.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #140
161. Gives Keith a break
and if he is coming back at 11 chances are he will be around for the announcement. What is the time difference between Rome and here (EST for me) They have been saying as how the Pope's death would more than likely not be announced until after sunrise there. Wouldn't that be around midnight or so here? Went and looked its 4:26 am in Rome now so that would put him at the desk for sunrise.



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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #140
165. Yes, a break is good....
and his return at 11pm will coincide with the Vatican City sunrise hours, which is rumored to be the *official announcement* time.

Sorry if I sounded selfish for Keef's break. Just wish they'd use Ron Reagan instead of The Scab as filler. We know Ron doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve, as Joe is NOW. OK...I'm really reaching for the remote now....LOL.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:49 PM
Response to Original message
98. Ugh...I don't know why
but I dislike that Donohue guy from the Catholic League. Something about him makes my skin crawl. Not sure why.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #98
106. Maybe because he
sounds angry, hateful like Flush Limpballs and the rest of his ilk.

At least that is how he sounded to me just now. Another small angry man with a big chip on his shoulder.




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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #106
121. That might be it.
I remember seeing him all over the TV when The Passion of the Christ first came out and I got the same feelings then. He talks in a loud voice like he doesn't know how to modulate it.

I just find him creepy for some reason.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #121
132. All those types
voices feel like someone is bouncing on my last nerve to me. Can't hear what they are saying over the wanting to shut them up for their tone of voice.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:58 PM
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114. They're going to Scaryborough next?
Time to change the channel, eh? So he said he'd be back at 11 EST?
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:58 PM
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117. More Keith at 11:00 --
-- They're going to let him go eat.

Nice MSNBC, they appreciate our Keith: :hug:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:58 PM
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118. OK then, here's some GOOD news you can read about while he's there
I've posted and reposted on this story, most recently here ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3403027#3405545 ), but it has dropped like a rock. It's such hopeful news, I want everyone to know about it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=5&u=/nm/20050331/wl_nm/rwanda_rebels_dc

Rwandan Hutu Rebels Denounce Genocide, Halt War


Thu Mar 31, 5:06 PM ET
World - Reuters
By Crispian Balmer

ROME (Reuters) - Rwanda's main Hutu rebel group announced on Thursday they were ending their war against Rwanda and for the first time denounced the 1994 genocide of Tutsis that has been blamed on many of their members.

A delegation representing the rebel organization, the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR), made the announcement after secret negotiations at the Sant'Egidio religious community in the heart of Rome.

"The FDLR condemns the genocide committed against Rwanda and their authors," FDLR President Ignace Murwanashyaka said, reading from a statement. "Henceforward, the FDLR has decided to transform its fight into a political struggle."

Hutu rebels are accused of taking part in the massacre of 800,000 Rwandan Tutsis and moderate Hutus in 1994. Until Thursday, many FDLR fighters had denied genocide occurred, calling the killings tit-for-tat attacks.

(snip - more at link)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #118
123. Aw. Thanks for posting.
:hug: That IS good news. :thumbsup:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #123
127. Yes, whatever happens, in this moment there is hope
And we need to know about it and encourage it. It probably happened too late for the pope to know about it, but maybe not - I'd like to think he was told and heard the news with comprehension. It would have given him joy.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #127
151. Thanks for the story Hope
and I like the idea of good news being posted. I will just decide to believe they told the Pope about it.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #151
157. Yes, they said he was weak but lucid at a time when the news was already
out. I'm going to decide that too. I'll go start a GOOD NEWS collectioni thread now - please see what you can find to post in the collection. The good news stories are out there, we just need to look for them and then share them.
:hug:
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #157
164. Sounds like a good
plan to me. Will do.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #118
126. Very good news, Hope.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #126
131. Yes it is. Perhaps we could consider gathering together a list of
threads on genuinely good news, news that lifts spirits and refreshes hope, and then posting the list in GD. There's been so much sadness and so much temptation to despair, let's do something to counter it as a KOEB project!

Anyone else interested?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #131
141. If I could think of any good news I would join you
but I have been sooooooooo out of the loop lately. Your post was the best news I have heard in a long time!!

I'm sure if you started the thread, others would step up to contribute. It would be so good to read some good news for a change!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #141
152. Yes, and by human nature, when there is so much unhappiness and fear
of what is happening in our country and the world, it's easiest to focus on yet more tales of woe. As everyone knows, they dominate commercial news anyway - it's what sells.

So let's work to find just one or two GOOD, POSITIVE news stories and post them in a thread in the clubhouse - I'll start it shortly. The act of looking and finding should feel good too. The stories are out there, we just haven't been seeing them.

I think all of DU needs to see something like this. It's such a sad, scary time, and we must keep our spirits up for all the fights ahead.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #131
150. THAT's a great idea.
Count me in.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #150
185. Excellent! Here's the KOEB clubhouse thread for collecting stories
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=315&topic_id=1796#1800
Title: KOEB PROJECT: Please post news stories that are HOPEFUL in this thread

And note to lurkers: feel free to add your finds to the collection thread too!
:pals:
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #118
148. That is good news
We've had so much depressing news of late that hearing something like this gives you hope. As Galen, one of my favorite characters from the TV show Crusade said:

There is always hope. Only because it's the one thing that no one has figured out how to kill yet.

Thanks for posting it.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #148
155. Elsewhere in this thread I've introduced the idea of a KOEB project:
Each of us finding and posting one or two (or more if they're really good) POSITIVE, HOPE-ENHANCING news stories in a thread I'll start shortly in the clubhouse. Then, when we've collected some good ones, we can post in GD tomorrow or the next day and spread the hope.

There is good news out there, and we all need to hear about it. The unremitting gloom and death has me down, and I'm not the only one by a long shot. Time to exercise those "hope muscles" and lift our spirits. Then we can share with DU and spread it around.

What do you think?
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #155
170. That's a good idea
I think the death watch and fighting over the Terri Schiavo mess and now with the Pope is just so very depressing.

Plus we are being assaulted day in and day out with Shrub and his minions and their march to disassemble this country. We need something to lift us up. After all, Spring is the time of renewal and it's time all of us renew our spirits. It can do nothing but help all on DU

I like the idea.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:01 PM
Response to Original message
125. Oh gag, they're breaking away from Keith for Squint.
But Keith is coming back at 11 p.m., so the night isn't totally wasted.

I really don't want to watch Squint try to compare John Paul II to blivet. :eyes:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #125
134. JP2 despised the blivet** and suspected 9/11 LIHOP, from what I've been
reading on the DU threads today.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:07 PM
Response to Original message
133. Oooo! Last week's Galactica is on now.
Yeah!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:40 PM
Response to Original message
171. Proposing a KOEB group project - collecting POSITIVE news stories
during the next day and posting them in this clubhouse thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=315&topic_id=1796#1800
Title: KOEB PROJECT: Please post news stories that are HOPEFUL in this thread

When we have enough, we'll put them together in a post in GD for all of DU to share. We need to celebrate life and look to the future with hope and energy. And then we need to share it. I feel strongly that there's a great need for this, and I hope you'll join in and be cheered by the process. One or two stories each would add up to quite a few!

To The Ties That Bind!
:toast:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:41 PM
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173. New KO image from GoGoMag, with a glimpse . . .
. . . of soft pink tongue. :loveya:

http://www.gogomag.com/cgi-bin/tvheads_viewer.pl?tvheads28740&28740&Keith
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #173
187. Oh, is that funny! Just asking for photoshopping, if you ask me! n/t
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #187
194. Now how, exactly, would you . . .
. . . play with it, Hope?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #194
199. The idea is still in the unformed but teasingly beckoning stage, as I'm
sure you'll understand. Something with the tip of his tongue being turned into something else, like a long unrolling sign made like one of those whistling party favors. Lots of interesting choices for what to write on the uncurling sign. And that's just ONE possibility. I am firmly NOT thinking of our Keef with a sticky froggy tongue going after something buzzing around. Nope, not me!
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #199
204. Maybe the teasingly beckoning stage is just the place for it . :-)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:20 PM
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210. ROTFLMAO!! You are soooo right! I'm leaving it in the T. B. stage n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:51 PM
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182. A funny thread - this one will make you smile for sure
it surely made ME smile - the "ex-valet's" name alone is wonderful!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3400326
Title: Retired Bush valet: W has never wiped own ass
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #182
215. LOL -- I just read it to my husband while practically choking w/ laughter!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #215
216. And the face they chose to link with that name "Puckerthorn"! Genius! n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:24 PM
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212. Nature photo for tonight - sunset over the islets of Bahia Coyote
in Mexico. No, it's not my photo, it came from this web page:
http://www.notesfromtheroad.com/desertmexico/desertmexicobajasur6.htm
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:27 PM
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214. OOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo! Mystical!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:34 PM
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217. Yeah, and I like that you can't really tell whether it's sunRISE or sunSET
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 10:35 PM by Nothing Without Hope
It's a transition, which is a mystical, magical time. In old times, it was the transition times like this and the turnings of the year like the solstices, that were associated with the thinning of barriers with the mysterious unknown.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #217
231. more blues and
cooler colors are usually sunrises, warmer colors and less blues are usually sunsets. Beautiful photo Hope. And all rules are made to be broken so you can never be sure.



BTW Keith is back.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #231
233. Yes, all the blues made me think that too, but then this is in an area
with minimal air pollution, so it might be different.

And I'm back too. For a little while. I'm betting Keef used his break to grab a bite to refuel, shower and change (those lights are HOT and he's already had a long day), and get ready for what could be the intense moment of reporting the pope's death. Have to be ready to do it right, and if anyone can, Keith can.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #233
239. yes he can though
landed on Real time for a bit Alec Baldwin, Whoopi and forget the other guy and reichwing bashing...will be using the remote so holler if I need to flip again.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #212
291. I simply have to get a digital camera.
There are some stunning sunrises here on the Lake.

Algoma lighthouse

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #291
300. Oh yes, you MUST get a digital camera. Mine is nearly 4 years old
and quite basic. (You do need a good lens that zooms.) It changes your life when you can share so easily and have no hesitation to take photographs because they are free. It changes the way you see and helps you and others to remember. It's WONDERFUL! For family and friends, the sharing aspect is profound.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #300
303. Do you have any recommendations?
I have a HP operating system, and wondered if that would be a good way to go.

I'm also willing to pay for a good quality camera, but I'm not exactly swimming in the dough right now. (how's that for a mixed metaphor?)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #303
307. Mine is an Olympus with an excellent zoom lens. But there are some
great new models out there now. Mine is about 4 years old and still working perfectly, so for now I can't really justify getting a new one though I've been thinking I should start opening my eyes on the possibility. I've heard some good things about some of the new Minolta models. Basically, we should both see if we can find people who recently did the research and find out what they found.

For me, the features I like the best about my camera is that it is a size such that I can easily carry it around for sudden, unplanned photos, I like its clamshell closure so that it is protected, and its zoom lens makes framing shots MUCH more flexible than it would be without the zoom. It also takes great macro photos of very small things, which is one of my fascinations. It's very easy to use and the resolution is high enough for printing 5x7 and even occasionally 8x10 prints. Newer cameras have the optionof much higher resolution, but honestly I have rarely wished for it. Those huge files take a LOT of space! I would like a more powerful zoom to get better nature photos, but I've really gotten by amazingly well with my little Olympus.

So we need to find a digital camera afficiando - there's a Photography Group here at DU, and I bet they'dlove to dispense some wise advice!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #307
317. This is very helpful, thanks! n/t
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #317
352. If you are thinking about getting
a digital camera you might want to look at these sites. The biggest thing to figure out what you are going to do with it. For on-line and email you want smaller pictures( less ppi---pixel per inch.) For printing you want larger (ppi to tranlate into more dpi---dots per inch), you also need to have an idea of how big your prints would be. Any digital camera should work with any computer, though a cd burner and large harddrive would be good. I have a Nikon D100, got the hub a Nikon D70 fir Christmas. I tried his out and it is as good though for some reason (maybe used to it) I prefer the D100. As far as lens go, optical zoom is what you look at. Digital zoom is useless unless you like pixelated pictures. If you have a small camera store around (not a chain)many of them will let you try out different cameras in store to see the differences. For anyone with a film slr I always suggest they look into the same brand dslr and see if their lens from the film with work on the digital. Saves lots of money in lens.

Lots of info on cameras and types. http://www.steves-digicams.com/

Very good info on mega-pixels.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm

http://www.majid.info/mylos/stories/2004/02/13/megapixel.html
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #212
320. Here's some shots of "my backyard"
The Great Smoky Mountains National Park:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #320
325. These are FABULOUS! You can just feel the age of these ancient
mountains. They've stood through many millions of years of changing seasons, yet each year the seasons change as if everything were new. What a source of peace and soul nourishment.

Thank you for these!
:hug:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:04 PM
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230. Well, we're back with Keef.
Dudes, that Battlestar Galactica finale kicked ass bigtime. Wooo!
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:14 PM
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234. Turned tv off
for a while here. But back on now for Keith.
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:29 PM
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242. What a switch from Joe to Keith! -- from crass politicization to dignified
. . . news coverage.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:31 PM
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245. Need you all
to yell if I need to go back to Keith...switched to Real Time for hubby and enjoying it. If Alec Baldwin ever runs for Pres. I will vote for him.



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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:34 PM
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247. AB is really quite funny -- in contrast to the characters he . . .
. . . became famous playing!
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:39 PM
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251. He knows his politics.
Have watched him slam those whose living is politics.

Rev. please forgive me if i slip and call religion the funny hat society for a bit. (Seems they all could unite in Jerusalem to come out against gays.)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:30 PM
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244. Is it just me, or is Carl Bernstein looking more like Santa?
(as in Tim Allen's portrayal). :shrug:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:32 PM
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246. Oh, REV . . . you just want to sit on his LAP ;-)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:49 PM
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260. perhaps..
He does look rather cuddly, doesn't he? :)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:38 PM
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249. Is this like the marathon thread now?
Is he gonna go home ever? :loveya:
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:43 PM
Original message
If he stays on all night
can those of us that stay up with him claim to have spent the night with him?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:45 PM
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256. SNORK!
:spank: :P
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:46 PM
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257. I think that's more likely to happen in your dreams, Ferretessa!
:loveya:
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:48 PM
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259. Well I can dream
and dreams are good for you. Besides I did include all of us.



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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:15 AM
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275. That's gonna be some dream!
--------
<< Besides I did include all of us. >> CC
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:18 AM
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276. Well depending on where minds go
the man might need a vacation.
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:20 AM
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311. ROTFL!!!
ANOTHER ONE?!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:54 PM
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262. YES!!!!!!
Oh, wise Ferrettessa! :rofl:
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:01 AM
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264. Does that mean I have
forgiveness for any funny hat comments that slip in the future?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:09 AM
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271. Well, that depends -
I can't say "absolutely", but I can absolve you if you confess. :)
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:44 PM
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254. Another two and a half hours....
That's a hardworking guy. :loveya: heck, I'm getting tired and Eastern is an hour later than I am....
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:52 PM
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261. Do you think this could turn embarrassing for the networks if . . .
. . . they all just end up vamping -- and the pope hangs on for days, as Bernadine Healy suggested might happen? Seriously, I think I'd want to wrap it up at midnight if I were in Keith's shoes -- or else change the subject to something like baseball.

This was supposed to be the final vigil at the bedside -- but it seems John Paul is having a last bit of fun and outsmarting the MSM!
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:03 AM
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266. They are only going
by what the docs and Vatican says so doubt they would take much flack and Keith would take none because he is so classy about how he handles it. But they might have to let him get some sleep eventually should it take days.
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:33 AM
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285. Well, it's looking like a different anchor is getting the late shift each-
. . . night. Yesterday it was Scarborough, Scarborough, Scarborough. I wondered why the Countdown re-air was getting stiffed -- but they were already into continuing-coverage mode, unbeknownst to me.

It's a good humane arrangement if they keep doing it this way: two hours off between 9 and 11 to eat, freshen up and decompress -- then another couple or few hours on duty -- then 15 hours to sleep and write before the next night, which will be a short one.

That's Club Med compared to the murderous pace everyone endured at ESPN.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:40 AM
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290. Have to avoid the weekend
people though. Unless its Keith can't stand to watch. They kinda turn foxish on weekends.
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:08 AM
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305. We're usually watching movies or TVLand on weekends . . .
. . . but I imagine this one will be quite out of the ordinary, with the coverage entrusted more to heavyweights.

I'm a little put out that they don't divvy out more primetime to the women of MSNBC. I've written to the network about it, in fact. They're as smart and as professional as the men (though no one touches KO, of course).
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:39 PM
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252. Keith just announced: the Vatican Information Office closed 30 minutes . .
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 11:41 PM by WhirlyGirl
. . . ago, with no plans to reopen until they have something significant to say!

Does this signal the conclusion of Keith's coverage soon, as well?
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:43 PM
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253. Wow, this Atlanta lady's voice is JARRING!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:46 PM
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258. Reading about the contrast between other broadcasters and Keith upthread,
I am thinking: what if in the future he becomes more prominent primariily because people believe they can TRUST him, unlike everybody else on the tube? Sort of like Walter Cronkite in a way. He's got some gray hair now, but he still looks more like a sportscaster. Maybe he will be allowed to grow in stature this way because he has something people are so hungry for: honesty and visible genuiineness combined with balance and humor.

There is so much despair and anger. So I hope the utter contrast between when Keith is in front of the camera and when anyone else is up there in the same place is grasped by some people who make decisions about such things.

Keith never fails to ... well, in THIS crowd I'd better NOT say "rise to the occasion"...
:evilgrin:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:05 AM
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267. heh - you sure got that one right, Hope!
I've got something for you to enjoy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=291x1221

This was Sojourner's April Fools Day mailing. Pure satire and snark, which I will perhaps post in GD tomorrow. (We'll have to wait and see what the mood is.)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:13 AM
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274. That's funny all right, Cheese - and we need some laughter.
I think that's the general sense in the air - need to celebrate life, as bleever said earlier tonight.

Eco News: Hummer hybrid a slightly less socially irresponsible status symbol
Starting a Movement: MoveOn laxative
Action Alert: Erica, why won't you go out with me?

Classic!
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:09 AM
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272. Hope, two thoughts occurred to me tonight . . .
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 12:13 AM by WhirlyGirl
. . . The first -- since all the cable networks would most likely opt for continuing coverage of the pope's condition -- was that if it people turned to Keith at this hour on account of his dignified style and penetrating questions to guests, it could be the making of his conception as a complete newsman.

The second, somewhat unrelated thought was that, in light of all this talk of dying, it's fortunate for me that I'd found someone significantly YOUNGER than me to admire.

Someone who, please God, will STAY WITH US and NOT LEAVE US for a long, long time.
:loveya:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:32 AM
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284. Yes, I hadn't thought of that - he's going to be around for a while
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 12:45 AM by Nothing Without Hope
I think he caught serious attention with his handling of the 9/11 tragedy - and won an award for it. His treatments of the TS and the pope deaths will reach new people and remind those who recall how he projects strength, honesty, and compassion when people most desperately need it.

Many people who are "funny" use that as a shield and can't turn it off because they fear the vulnerability or because of habit or because they don't know any other way to act. Keith is different. I do think his humor has some shielding element in it, but it is also an effective weapon against hypocrisy and crimes of all sorts. But he doesn't NEED it - he can take it off and be grave and serious when the situation calls for it. And his honesty and humanity are so clear then - and people really need that. There is so much fragmentation and isolation and fear in our country, people need someone they can believe. There hasn't been anyone like that on TV since Walter Cronkite retired. Will be interesting to see if he matures into a role like that: a humorous, snarky, clear-eyed, awesomely bright Walter Cronkite. What a concept!

ed:sp
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:37 AM
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288. You're a good writer, Hope -- and a thoughtful one.
Often I have difficulty finding anything to add to what you've said because you already said it all.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:47 AM
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294. Thank you, WG - that's quite a compliment.
Now you DO have me speechless - which takes a lot! :blush:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:59 AM
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302. I don't give them lightly.
. . . It was Keith's WRITING, after all, which first attracted me to him.

(Though it didn't take long for *the rest* to swim into my consciousness as well!:loveya:)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:04 AM
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304. LOL!!! I BET!!!
it didn't take long for *the rest* to swim into my consciousness as well! :loveya:

:rofl:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:13 AM
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308. LOL -- at first, I thought you doubted what I'd said in the subj. line!
But you're right about waking up to Keith's other fine qualities; heck, I have ears -- and let's not forget eyes -- don't I?! :crazy:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:20 AM
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313. Yep, Keef is a real feast for the senses all right
Which is more than you can say even for Walter Cronkite!

And on that note, I think I'll head for the shower and then off to bed. From what was said upthread, even if the pope dies they won't tell us until dawn in Italy, whenever that is. I'm getting too sleepy to keep the vigil. Imagine all the millions of people who ARE keeping it. He certainly isn't dying alone or unmourned.

Good night and sweet dreams!
:O8) :boring: O8)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:09 AM
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306. heh - she said "swim"
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:14 AM
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309. Ahhhhh... the LLLLLLLLLLLovely LLLLLLLLLegs!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:33 AM
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321. There's nothing like Keefcake to soothe the spirit.




and who could forget:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:11 AM
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332. He never got a chance to throw the blue jammies after he threw . . .
. . . the slippers, but he had them scrunched up and ready to lob at the camera.

Btw, one of these days I'd like someone to start posting a collection of favorite Keith wavs. One of mine would certainly be his maniacal laugh after he threw that first house shoe!
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:59 AM
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345. Oops, legs are . . .
. . . BELOW the waist, aren't they?

And I was trying so hard to be good. . . O8)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:54 PM
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263. First blip in Keith's coverage
This guy he's got on now sucks.
And, while I understand this sh*t has to be asked and it's the first time I've seen Keith ask it, it still discusts me. Bush has NOTHING to do with the Pope.
I think the Pope, who is a genius, probably thought Bush was an idiot - if not downright evil.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:07 AM
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269. Since he spent time
trying to keep blivet* from killing people in so many ways seriously doubt he likes him at all.


BTW do you forgive me for overfilling your in-box? (Sorry 300 dpi was the least I was taught to work in)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:09 AM
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270. yes, he did see W for what he is. Check out the posts on this DU thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3402887
Title: "Didn't Pope John Paul II suspect that W was the anti Christ?"

The comments by Minstrel Boy (#8) are especially striking.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:10 AM
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273. Going to read but
at times I suspect he is.


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:23 AM
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281. Seriously, if I believed in "the end of the world,' I would be sure he was
He has the characteristics predicted of the antichrist. :scared:
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:31 AM
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283. Can say that by his
actions he is more in the evil camp regardless of his words. Though always believed even the worst person has some redeeming quality. Hard for me to find one in him though.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:34 AM
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286. I agree - I can't think of a single redeeming quality in the blivet**
And that is really saying something. The other current national figures who come to mind in that same category are some of his close associates. In fact, MOST of his close associates.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:37 AM
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287. So true
Might have to take Crispini's route and go to bed. falling out here and they typing is suffering.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:41 AM
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292. well, check out the new Tom Tomorrow cartoon I posted downthread first
It's a good one - and yes, I know they all are. You and I are both major TT fans for good reason!
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:48 AM
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297. Going to read then
shut down. A sleepy head here. night Hope.


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:58 AM
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301. Night CC - I'm going downstairs to do a bit of painting, then ZZZZZZ n/t
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:18 AM
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277. The Pope's words:
"I am happy, and you should be, too."

That is what dying with dignity looks like.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:23 AM
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314. When did he say that? It's wonderful! n/t
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:30 AM
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318. Keith reported it at midnight (1 a.m. eastern)
That's not the full quote, but it's all my frazzled brain could remember at the time.

I liked the interview with the priest who talked about how the Church would quickly pass from mourning to joy, in fact, celebration.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:35 AM
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322. This is definitely worth hunting down in the show transcript
and posting. In fact, it's a good candidate for the GOOD NEWS THREAD where we're collecting positive news stories to share;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=315&topic_id=1796#1940
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:39 AM
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324. Oh, I agree, Hope.
At this time, I'm more inclined to stick to the Liberal Christians group for any thoughtful posts about death. I'd hate to see anything sullied by rude comments. I just don't have the stamina right now.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:47 AM
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328. I'm in perfect agreement on that - Here's a beautiful quote on death
Live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about his religion. Respect others in their views and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and of service to your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, or even a stranger, if in a lonely place. Show respect to all people, but grovel to none. When you rise in the morning, give thanks for the light, for your life, for your strength. Give thanks for your food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason to give thanks, the fault lies in yourself.  Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When your time comes to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home. --Tecumseh
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:18 AM
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278. Well, I'm going to bed.
Night ya'll! :hi:
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:21 AM
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280. Night
sweet dreams when the sandman visits.



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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:26 AM
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282. goodnight, Crispini
Thanks for being here tonight. :hug:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:40 AM
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289. Okay, here's something else funny - this new Tom Tomorrow CARTOON
His work is so outstanding - it makes powerful points at the same time it makes us laugh, and his draftsmanship is excellent:
The cartoon is from this page: http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=18799
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:47 AM
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293. I do believe it
is time for me to call it a night. Went looking for a pic and decided to leave this one with you all. Have a goodnight all.






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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:53 AM
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299. CC - we had the same idea at the same time! I posted a night scene too.
Except mine is from the web and yours is your own. Beautiful!

Good night! :hi:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:48 AM
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295. Wait! -- I once had a . . .
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 01:02 AM by WhirlyGirl
. . . tumor the size of an orange removed, too (well, it was a fibroid...) -- and I had a dangerous brush with blood poisoning! Does that mean I'm pope material?!

:bounce:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:48 AM
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296. You want funny?
My cat Roo is eating broccoli right now. :crazy:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:15 AM
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310. Now that is PECULIAR. This is the cat you say acts like a dog, right?
Even dogs don't usually like broccoli! I do like kitties that have a lot of personality and yet are good companions. Sounds like Roo is a champion!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:24 AM
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315. Very true.
His favorite is fresh cooked mushrooms. But he has been known to eat corn, peas, olives, Doritos, chips, and popcorn. :popcorn:

He'll usually try anything except fruit and sweets.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:32 AM
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319. One of my friends cooks a lot of Italian food, and her cat is mad for
OLIVES. So Roo isn't unique for that.

Some time I'll have to tell you a bit about this friend's amazing family history - they come from a tiny Aeolian island off Sicily with a thousands-year-old archeologically documented past. Some wonderful stories.

She loves those olives, too, but she has to share some with Buster or he pouts. :eyes:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:36 AM
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323. snicker -
Carl Bernstein was just talking about the current Vicar of Rome: Cardinal Ruini.

My guy's "The Bishop of Roominster Tabby." He must be Anglican. :)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:43 AM
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326. I LOVE that name, Cheese! And he has apparently forgiven you for it ; -)
The Bishop of Roominster Tabby

Yup, a very proper Anglican with a snarky sense of humor and some adorable quirks. You're both lucky.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:51 AM
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298. OK - time for another nature photo
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 12:52 AM by Nothing Without Hope
This is from the archives at the Astronomy Picture a Day site, and the link-filled description is with it on this page: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050129.html

It's the Southern Cross constellation over Mauna Loa.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:20 AM
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312. I had to give kudos outside the clubhouse!
Add yours!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3407171
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:26 AM
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316. Stepping away from the keyboard for a little while; I want to watch Keith-
-- and he's downstairs tonight.

Back later.
(If you've gone to bed, you may find replies tomorrow.)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:07 AM
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331. Good night, WG - I think you're the last one left awake.
Thanks for your good company. Here are some more floaties to let out into the world when you leave for the night:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

And here's a hug for you:
:hug:

Time for some :boring:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:16 AM
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333. Thanks, I'll be sure to put the floaties out before retiring.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:44 AM
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327. Dear friends, I am turning in.
Thank you, one and all, for being so loving and caring tonight. I appreciate each and every one of you, more than I can say. :grouphug:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:53 AM
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329. Good night, Cheese - and be sure to read the quote I left for you
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 01:55 AM by Nothing Without Hope
It's on death, and it is very beautiful.

It's here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=315&topic_id=1622&mesg_id=1965

Good night! I'm heading off to bed too. Give Roo a scratch in his favorite behind-the-ear spot for me.

Edited for an important addtion:
:hug: to you all, friends :hug:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:04 AM
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330. Ok, there's some scuttlebutt . . . (and Keith's off the air for now) --
-- Before signing off, Keith reported that a Romanian publication has announced both the birth AND DEATH dates of the pope . . . and that the AP has picked the onfo up from the Romanian publication.

IN ADDITION, Keith said that in the past few minuites there had been some . . . I guess you could say, some chatter . . . that the Vatican Information Office would be making an announcement at 3am our time. And that the cardinals were heading for Rome, but there was no confirmation that they'd been formally "summoned."

So that's how things stand at 2am Eastern.

-- WhirlyG, girl reporter
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:18 AM
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334. So, girl reporter, is Keith going to stay on until then? That's about 45
minutes with nothing new coming in, right?

Here's a photo from the MSNBC front page now:


Hard to believe they'd let all these people just stand there without telling them the wait was over.
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:24 AM
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336. He handed it off to John Siegenthaler at 2am. And the rumor of an . . .
. . . announcement at 3 was emphasized to be only that.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:26 AM
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338. OK then. Long night for Keith.
Long night for us too, though without the cameras and bright lights and national attention!

This time for sure: good night! :hi:
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:28 AM
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339. 'Nite, my DU sister. And sweet Keith dreams to you!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:30 AM
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341. To you, too.
This time for CERTAIN sure! :boring:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:23 AM
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335. Here's an interesting bit of arcana - this door is closed when a pope dies
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 02:25 AM by Nothing Without Hope
http://www.hindu.com/2005/04/02/stories/2005040214981300.htm



Caption: Swiss guards stand at the Bronze Door, a storied portal that for centuries has informed the faithful of the death of a Pope, at the Vatican on Friday. Tradition is that officials close the massive door under a portico off St. Peter's Square when a Pope dies and keep it shut until a new pontiff is elected. — AP

I wonder if the door is closed yet?
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:26 AM
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337. I can't tell if that door is open or closed --?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:29 AM
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340. Looks open to me, with the huge panels on either side of the
Swiss Guards. It's much taller than they are. Wonder who built it and why it is so large? There was a pope who had a pet elephant that he doted on...
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:32 AM
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342. 'There was a pope who had a pet elephant that he doted on...' - Hope
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 02:33 AM by WhirlyGirl
. . . (your punchline here; I just don't have the nerve!).
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:37 AM
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343. No, it's really true!!! There are books written about it. See:
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 02:40 AM by Nothing Without Hope
It was one of the Renaissance popes, Leo X, and it's quite a story. Here are editorial reviews at Amazon.com on one of the books written about the pope's elephant, called, straightforwardly enough, "The Pope's Elephant":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0140288627/qid=1112427263/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-7816307-8571037?v=glance&s=books
Amazon.com
In early 16th century Rome, at the height of the Italian Renaissance, when artists such as Raphael, Michelangelo, and Leonardo thrived in the Holy City, the decadent court of Pope Leo X was a place where visitors could find pleasures and entertainment more exotic than anything they had previously imagined. Among the Pope's great joys was his menagerie of exotic animals, and the prize of his collection was an Indian elephant named Hanno, presented to him by the King of Portugal. The Pope's Elephant by Silvio A. Bedini, historian emeritus at the Smithsonian Institution, describes Hanno's powerful effect on the Papal Court and on the Roman citizenry. This elephant--trained to kneel, dance, weep, and trumpet on command--led parades and entertained at public festivals and was commemorated in paintings, poetry, and sculpture. For Romans, Hanno became the preeminent symbol of the alluring Orient; for Pope Leo's detractors, the elephant became a symbol of Roman corruption. Bedini's rigorous research and eager enthusiasm for his subject and his judicious selection of whimsical illustrations make reading The Pope's Elephant a quirky and delightful pastime. --Michael Joseph Gross

Product Description:
An "utterly charming"(The Observer) look at the white Indian elephant who became the darling of Pope Leo X and Renaissance Europe.

In 1514, Rome, the Eternal City, was the center of the Chrisitian world and home and workshop to Raphael, Leonardo, and Michelangelo. It was also the city of Pope Leo X, the pleasure-loving pontiff whose court was infamous for its excess, frivolity and impropriety, as well as for its newly-arrived white elephant Hanno. Hanno became a star feature in processions and festivals, and the subject of countless paintings, sculptures and fountains. In this fascinating glimpse at a forgotten sidenote to history, Silvio A. Bedini gives us an elephant's-back view of early modern Europe and the inner workings of the Vatican at the height of its influence. Charmingly written with dozens of accompanying photographs and illustrations, The Pope's Elephant will delight readers just as Hanno delighted the people of Rome five centuries ago.

"A work of extraordinary scholarship. . . . Crisply written and amply illustrated, it shines a bright light on two short lives, that of Leo and Hanno, and that of the age they embodied."-- The Literary Review
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:45 AM
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344. I believed you -- just don't let Leno know about it, that's all!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:07 AM
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346. You're right about that - I shudder to think of it
OK, this is the absolute end of the evening. I've just finished up around the house and am shutting down and heading for the shower. Thought I'd see what you thought of the elephant story and was delighted to see your reply.

Good night!
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 04:15 AM
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347. AN UPDATE (for anyone happening by at 4:13am) . . .
. . . MSNBC is reporting that the Vatican plans an announcement at 4:30 Eastern.

Will return after that, to say what it was.

-- WhirlyG, girl reporter
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WhirlyGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 05:51 AM
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348. The pope is not in a coma, the Vatican official says.
He opens his eyes when spoken to, and slips in and out of consciousness.

Robert Bazell, NBC's chief science correspondent, predicts that because of the massive organ damage caused by infection, "the pope is in his final hours."

But they said that yesterday, didn't they?

-- WhirlyG, girl reporter
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 09:17 AM
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349. Keith will be back on tonight from 6pm to 10pm with Tweety as
co-host from Rome. That ought to be amusing!
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:05 AM
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350. Noooo!
Last night I missed the first 2 hours, not realizing he was on, and then missed a good chunk of the rest tagging along with the husband on a spontaneous trip to Lowe's. And tonight I've got tickets to see Jon Stewart when KO's on.

The trip to Lowes was funny though - everyone at the hardware store was weirdly nice to us. The paint mixer guy mixed a gallon of paint for me, and immediately marked it down like one of the mismatched paints, and was joking around with us for a while - as was the cashier.

When I got home, I realized I was still wearing a Kerry shirt that I put on earlier when I thought I was just gonna be hanging out at home all day.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:00 PM
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351. How I envy you, Fern
I really wanted to go see him tonight. The show last night was great.

I'm sure hubby won't want to spontaneously go, though -- he's going to want to watch the State game at 9. I couldn't care less (as you can see from my avatar). I'd love to go to the Opera House.

Have a great time -- and be sure to report back!
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