Rape and DU

Is it possible for people to be so clueless? It is very frustrating to read something like that women are "subconsciously looking for rape".

But because they don't even want to acknowledge that they ARE misogynist, comments like that continue to proliferate here.

I'm guessing in GD?

Stay out of GD. Seriously.

...(from the 80's I think) it's implied several times and ways during the movie that women either:

1. want to be raped or
2. are raped because they are sexy, attractive, etc.

When the film's protagonist is suddenly suspected of being a rapist, his downstairs neighbor rushes out to the hall in a flimsy robe and lingerie to talk to him. During their conversation she's obviously flirting with him and makes it clear she's "turned on" by the prospect that he may be a rapist, and suggests she's available "anytime." :eyes:

Later in the film, the two leads attempt to "trap" the real rapist, using the female lead as bait. The female lead tells the male,"...you just don't think I'm sexy enough to get him interested again" when he doesn't want to see her placed in danger.

I also recall the infamous rape of Laura by Luke on General Hospital. It was later referred to as a "seduction", when the GH powers that be decided to make Luke a love interest for Laura.

I'm in no way excusing the ridiculous assertions we see in GD regularly regarding rape and assaults on women. But I do sometimes wonder if any have had their views shaped by media messages like these.

if they were about race, not gender.

Well, sure it's an awful thing that those men got lynched. But, you know, they really weren't acting smart. They need to watch where they go, and it's just an awful thing that so many black people are so resistant to taking self-defense classes - they ought to be spending a few hours a week on that. Black people need to decide ahead of time whether they are going to fight back, or just "submit."

There was a time when people did commonly think that way, that certain people were asking to be lynched by asking the wrong woman out, or by being in a part of town they knew they didn't "belong" in. Nowadays, except among the skinheadracist crowd, I can't imagine anyone talking about how it's really black folks'/Native Americans' (etc) responsibility to not put themselves in a situation where they could be a victim of a hate crime.

But yet here we are with women, at that same old point where it's normalized that women should bear the responsibility to avoid being raped. And the fact that rape happens in society, that's a generic thing that happens in passive voice. Women get raped. We don't say "men rape women" - because then men get pissed off; it implies they have some responsibility not only to NOT rape, but also to stop eroticizing rape, and to speak out against it when other men eroticize it or view it as entertainment, or joke about it.

People who would never dream of using the n-word around here call women they've only seen on the TV 'bitch.' Then they say, Well my WIFE thinks she's a bitch too, so I can't be a misogynist! (Shades of "some of my best friends are black...")

I think we should rigorously apply the 'substitute race for sex' test around here.

...but, unfortunately you may be disappointed if you do offer such a comparison.

Perhaps in the real world, people would understand--but here? In the domain of the anonymous? Not so much. :( People here will argue you down for their right to be offensive. Many that don't hesitate to use the b word, would also not hesitate to use the n word.

In my opinion there are a group of people that feel it is their role in life to define for everyone else what constitutes bigotry--sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. They don't get it and no number of rational examples will help them.

There are many on DU that may be willing to admit that the n-word is "inappropriate" but they don't shy away from using it. After all, it's just a word. Right? :eyes:

A few examples:

My aunt--them n****** were buying expensive purses:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1722134


I just couldn't take my family's racist crap:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2978125


Sorry--but I would have had more empathy for both of the above op's had they NOT indulged in using the word themselves---THEN defending thier use of it in the course of the thread, when called on it. :eyes: If one dislikes a word and what it stood for, they won't use it. Period.

Dog the Bounty Hunter's Racist rant:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2179519&mesg_id=2179519

pointing out the social/progressive connections --- that the administration might take immediate note --- if not eventual note --- and that the moderators would back you up.

that shithead, Huckabee....in this decade he released 2 rapists from prisons and they went on to rape and murder. Do we hear about that? Fuck no....all about what he said back in 1992 w/ regard to quarantining AIDS patients.

Don't get me wrong...I lived in San Fran in the '80's when no one knew what AIDS was and I watched many of my very good friends die horrible deaths. And just a note...back in those days, gays and feminists were much more allied than we are today...but of course I'm in my mid-50's and that generation of gay men died. Does anyone of my age remember what 'Equal Marriage' was....it was when a hetero husband shared equally in the household chores and women worked outside the home. Now 'Equal Marriage' is about gay marriage.

I just get this feeling that gay issues are now treated as so much more important than women's issues...and I blame alot of that on pron and the re-sexification of women. Strip clubs are baaaaaaaaack. Those were gone. Rape, esp. date rape is practically mainstream. I'm so glad I'm not young today. There was no date rape when I was in college.

Back to Huckabee....those rapes were extremely violent...do we hear a peep? NO. I even emailed the editor of Rawstory and asked why they are not headlining Huckabee and his release of these criminals along with his absurd AIDS comments back in '92. Needless to say, I rec'd no response.

I guess it's a damn shame that those rapists he released didn't sodomize some males....then we'd hear all about it. After all...that's what women are for, right? :sarcasm:

This has really pissed me off. I want to find a cave and hibernate...or leave this ugly culture and just let it rot. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....

Thx for the space to rant.

Oh last thing....if there is reincarnation, I am headed to any of the unisex planets next time...gotta find out how hierarchy works there. I guess I still have a bit of humor left, but I'm really serious about the unisex planet. It is so rare that I meet a truly kind male...

Not by much, and I was precocious anyway. I lost many friends from AIDS as well. I do remember the push for "equal" marriage. If I recall, it treated as a quaint idea, rather than a actually way of life. And statistically, It hasn't panned out very well. Women were terrified into thinking they wouldn't be "feminine" or desirable. Alan Alda was the "feminized" male. (Remember "Real men don't eat quiche?" that came along a few years later I think)Few things piss me off more than a female letting patriarchy define femininity, although I don't blame them, it starts from the cradle

As a side topic, A friend who is a public defender is in the position of defending a horrid rapist. Fortunately, this rapist is stupid and has declined the offers of lesser charges from the prosecution. "Assault one" it was I believe. I couldn't, I swear to all the gods, COULDN'T ask him more about it, although he would have told me. I couldn't ask him how he was planning a defense.

The evidence is such that my friend knows this guy get 20 to life. My friend says, "He did it, there is no way he didn't do it and I have to defend him"

My friend believes in law, he believes everyone accused of a crime, no matter how heinous, deserves a legal representative, and I don't know how, but he still believes in human beings.

After this one, My friend is getting out. I've seen him defend some real shitheads, but this particular case has done it for him. He wants to get into family law and child advocacy. (He was the one I would talk to about the Duke case)

who said that. :(

Some seem to have a problem with separating imprudent behavior (getting so intoxicated that you can't control your environment) and "asking for it" apparently, and others seem to think that a lot of women like to lie about rape.

There was a local news story recently where a woman recanted on a bizarre rape claim (same stranger assailant twice in a week) and I just know it will be cited as proof that women can't be trusted when they charge rape. Exceptions are the rule, doncha know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2434093&mesg_id=2434093
There may be others.

It's running in Canada, and it's supposed to keep people (women) from drinking.

It shows a girl running out of a party, and it says something like "All kinds of stuff can happen when you're drunk. Unprotected sex, fights, rape...keep in control."

I realize their intentions are noble, but it's actually pretty awful.