Is anyone here angry...?

...at the women that said they were pro-choice, but STILL voted against Kerry, for *--stating they voted NOT for his stance on abortion, women's rights or even gay rights, but for his views on security, etc.?

First of all, this pissed me off, because comparmentalizing does not work. You vote for the candidate, not part of him/her. The whole person. By voting against Kerry, they voted pro-shrub and against women. Against women's rights, abortion, against gay rights.

I had a very heated argument with a woman that was convinced that the GOP would never do anything to hurt a woman's right to choose, even though it clearly stated on their web site that they were against abortion and even birth control. She was so convinced they would NEVER do anything to get rid of Roe V. Wade, even though their website stated the contrary.

She refused to even acknowledge the climate created by this administration, which encouraged pharmacists to NOT fill women's bcp prescriptions if they were pro-life. All of this fell on deaf ears. She continued to just deny the possibility, saying it would NEVER happen. Despite being shown evidence to the contrary--and the voices of those around her that stated they feared what this admin. would do.

Sorry--but I can't be mad at anyone but them--at the women that saw the signs, just like the rest of us, but chose to ignore them. Because they wanted to vote for SECURITY. A vote for Kerry is a vote for terrorism, she said--echoing the voices of Faux news.

I hope women like this, frankly feel like shit right now. I really do. After Katrina has shown us all just how safe we really are under this administration--I hope they feel like idiots, for buying into the lies and bullshit.

The Roberts confirmation--the beginning of the end of Roe v. Wade--well that's just moving right along, isn't it? The very thing they CLAIMED they were voting for--was bullshit. The thing that they said WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, so they didn't worry about it--HELLO?! IT'S HAPPENING!

If they had voted pro-woman, pro-themselves maybe there wouldn't be a dozen threads floating around about the confirmations. But of course we will never know that will we? :eyes:

So, am I the only one? Or is anyone else pissed off at our sisters on the right, who lacked the conviction to take a stand for the rights many before us fought so hard for?

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When I read your post I immediately thought of my "Security Mom" friend who voted for * because she totally bought into the tough on terra/stronger on defense b.s. Women like her are usually surrounded by progressives like us and can thus delude themselves into believing that the majority of Republicans are these nice educated moderates who aren't sexist, racist, homophobic bigots. I've tried to point out to her, to no avail, that she is sadly mistaken.

Umm...yes Melissa...the guy that cut me off on the road so he could flip me off angrily for my bumper sticker, and the one who called Kerry a "fag loving fairy", and the ones who gave * the 2000 nomination because McCain may have had a Black baby, just to cite a few examples, are the BASE of your party. They are YOUR PEOPLE sweetie! They call into C-SPAN on the Bush line every morning, denouncing anything and everything they consider the downfall of society and uppity women who dare to think they should control their reproduction are at the top of their list.

I hope you are right and some of them feel bad. I have a feeling though, that others are just allowing the Reich Wing spin to lull them into cognitive dissonance. "It'll be okay if they overturn Roe v. Wade...My state won't outlaw abortion...I just KNOW it won't!..."

I'm with ya :grr: :grr: :grr:

the Reich wing spin (as you so aptly put it), of "My state won't outlaw abortion...I just know they won't..." Anyone that is buying into that is completely deluding themselves!!!

They need to turn off the Rush, and Faux news and get out there and talk to other women, talk to the clinics and healthcare facilities, talk to the single women, with no benefits about how difficult it is to get quality healthcare, much less to find a pharmacist that isn't giving her shit about her prescription for birth control pills.

It's all insane.

I know that some here aren't fond of Bill Maher, but I do watch his show regularly. I was so glad to hear him talk about this issue. The fact that it wasn't us, it isn't the women that BELIEVE in this, and fought for this. It's not the petition signers, the voters, the ones that stay up to date on the issues regarding women and our health--it's the ones' that don't--our sisters across the aisle that say they are pro-choice, but also said they didn't 'want a new guy in while we were at war...' The very same women that said, they disagreed with his policies about women, sex ed, etc. THEY have sold US ALL out!

I honestly don't know if any of them have a conscious--if they did they couldn't have voted for the asshat to begin with. So, it's probably expecting too much that they would feel shitty for their vote now. No, I wish they did feel badly, but they are too stupid for that.

Because when MEN suckup to the conservative forced preggers on the right to get a democrat foot in the door for issues of politics,they are basically selling our rights away,to get power, It's easy for men to blow off womens rights because they are not women..Womens rights are rights these men will never have to deal with and pay for if they are gone.So it's low on thier priority list,Getting more power is all they see,Blinded by the right.Playing right into thier hands.

Frankly, I am sick of being seen as an 'issue' for the politicians to bolster their votes. We are human beings. Men's health or well being is NEVER even up for discussion, much less a wedge issue for every friggin' campaign we have.

I'm sick to death of all these arrogant, rich, power hungry assholes making decisions that affect my health, my ovaries, and those of other women...Who the hell are they to tell us what we should or should not do?

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to hear that argument about how the repubs will never get rid of Roe because they need that as a wedge issue. Of couse, those making that argument are mostly male, so what have they got to lose? Frankly, I hope they are right but fear that they are wrong.

I don't understand why women vote for repubs, either. They don't understand that male repukes have NEVER accepted women as equals and never will. The need us to provide male heirs and votes and that's about it.

out & out overturn Roe v Wade. A million middle class white women would leave the party in droves. My 80 year old mother included. In fact, she won't vote for any anti-choice candidate. But, she'd never, ever vote for another repug no matter what they mouthed about being pro-choice.

What the repugs will do is chip away at Roe v Wade. Remember, the big issue is Casey v Planned Parenthood. SCOTUS ruled that the states can impose reasonable limitations on abortion. Well, what the eff is 'reasonable'? If states say there has to be a 3 week wait period, or the clinics have to have hallways that are 20 feet wide, or clinics have to have 10 ambulances waiting in the parking lot, or etc. You get the idea. To us in the pro-choice community those are completely unreasonable. I'll bet everynew restriction will fly over the heads of the average American. All they'll see is that abortions are still legal. They'll never notice how many obstacles are put in the way.

All new restrictions will do is to make sure that middle class & above women will be able to get an abortion. That means repug women. No one will pay attention to poor women & the difficulty they will have.

You know, my eggs are so old they're on walkers. If by chance one was able to get down my tubes & I had an unwanted pregnancy, I would be able to pay for one even if it meant going to another state the same with a lot of repub women. The repubs will make sure that abortions are available to those women & their daughters.

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I am SO hoping that you are right, they won't overturn it. I'm just so suspicious of the way Roberts answered (or should I say didn't answer) his questions during the hearings. He was incredibly evasive, and too many right wingers were pleased to see that. It makes me feel that they have something in the works, that none of us is going to like at all...

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Your post cracked me up--our eggs so old they're on walkers...:rofl: Thank you for bringing some humour to the issue, it's so hard sometimes...

I just don't understand how or why issues of human rights become politicized and bandied about, like our feelings, opinions, thoughts, etc, don't even count. I mean, geez they are talking about US, OUR rights, OUR health!

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is more restrictions. Not a complete ban, just a bunch of bullshit rules that will make a lot of clinics & doctors throw in the towel. Already in some states there are only a handful of clinics that will perform an abortion. Middle class women have little or no trouble getting to them. It's the poor who have difficulties. It's harder for her to get time off work, find child care if she has children, get a lift if she doesn't have a car. I could go on & on. The whole thing makes me sick. Jane average will never notice. It doesn't affect her, so why should she care?

roberts is going thru. Dems don't have the votes. All we can hope for is that roberts squeeks by 52 to 48.

the one I argued with. Solidly middle class, if not upper middle class. Could give two shits less about anything that doesn't affect her. She went on and on whining about Dems allegedly stealing and/or defacing her "W/Cheney" signs, but couldn't take a moment out of her snotty, holier than thou existence to consider how her vote affected women UNLIKE her.

Complete bushbot just parroting the ideas that they have all been fed, with none of the information to back anything up. Totally brainwashed.

Really pissed me off! :grr: :mad:

It was like arguing with a Jew about the reality of the Holocaust. :wtf: It makes no sense to me to argue with a woman about woman's rights... :crazy: :freak:

I got so frustrated with so many of them, after Roberts was nominated. Telling us all to just accept it, move on, nothing to see here. What a bunch of crap.

Well when their daughters, sisters, wives, etc. aren't able to get quality healthcare, or are denied birth control, or are forced to carry a child to term, that they don't want or can't afford--don't come crying to me...I don't want to hear it.

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Inevitably, the very things you have no compassion or empathy for, will affect you--god help them when it does.

When Roe is overturned they will do what was done before, "take a vacation" to Canada or some state where it's still legal to have abortions.

Termination of unwanted pregnancies has always been available to the wealthy. It's those less fortunate who die with a coathanger or knitting needle in their hands.

Do you know more than half of the occupants of OB/GYN wards in hospitals used to be women with septicemia from botched abortions? Do we really want to return to those days?

And no, I have no desire to return to those days. Nothing was ever said outright, but it has been suggested, by elder women of my family, that they indulged in some of those back room activities, back in the 'good old days.'

It's a miracle they survived it. But now i know why one woman, never had children of her own--she wasn't able to...there are some nasty repurcussions of those procedures. I didn't need to watch the docudrama on HBO to know this(but I watched it anyway).