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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 07:57 PM
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Male athletes, rape, Duke, etc.
(Cross post - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x866885 )

Several studies have found male athletes to be more likely than other men on campus to commit sexual assaults.

In a study of victims of sexual aggression at a large midwestern university, male athletes were greatly overrepresented among the assailants described by the women surveyed. Though men on sports teams were less than 2 percent of the total male population on campus, they made up 23 percent of the attackers in sexual assaults and 14 percent in attempted sexual assaults.15

At another university, an anonymous survey found that men on varsity, revenue-producing teams, such as football and basketball, self-reported higher rates of sexually abusive behavior.16

Gang rapes on campus are most often perpetrated by men who participate in intensive male peer groups that foster rape-supportive behaviors and attitudes. One review of 24 alleged gang rapes found that in 22 of the 24 documented cases, the perpetrators were members of intercollegiate athletic teams or fraternities.17

Involvement in all-male peer groups may insulate some men from doubts about the inappropriateness of their behavior, particularly when their team or fraternity holds prestige on campus.

http://www.edc.org/hec/pubs/factsheets/fact_sheet3.html#athletes


at Duke:

"Similarly, I know that at one point, campus women were aware of sexual assault and harassment by lacrosse players. The house they lived in was repeatedly toilet papered — and once, upon seeing the black-clad women tp-ing the house I asked why. Their reply: to warn other undergraduate women that a woman had been assualted while at a lacrosse party."

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/29/duke-rape-case-round-up/


Sounds like Duke was used to "taking care of these things" sort of like the Catholic Church and molesting priests:

"In a conversation Friday afternoon with John Burness, Duke's senior vice president for public affairs (aka the man in charge of Duke's image), I learned that the university was fully aware of the antics of its lacrosse team before the sensational gang-rape investigation.

Burness said that Durham police had been asked to inform the university when its students were arrested in town. The charges then were dealt with in the student court system...

My point was that, whatever comes of the rape allegations, the lacrosse team was widely known to be out of control long before those allegations were ever made."

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/424766.html


I think there are a lot of people wrongly assuming that without the public pressure this case would have been handled adequately by the county court system:

"We will begin by reviewing all available records -- disciplinary records and complaints made to the Duke and Durham police -- and we'll look at the various procedures in place for monitoring the conduct of students in general, and athletes in particular, to determine the adequacy of those," the statement said.

Fifteen players -- about one-third of the team -- had previous criminal charges in Durham in the past three years, mostly related to drunken and disruptive behavior. Most of those charges were resolved in deals with prosecutors that allowed the players to escape criminal convictions.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/425837.html


Also see:

http://justice4twosisters.blogspot.com/

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The gang rape is the essential scene of the patriarchy

...It’s the patriarchy in its essence, where the leaders of male dominance are active sadists but their followers have managed to convince themselves they do like women, they aren’t evil, etc. In the article, it’s noted that often in a gang rape, some participants will help the victim clean up, give her money, even walk her home (presumably to protect her from rape). Accusations of effeminence are used to keep unwilling participants in the game. The victims are objects of male bonding.

I’ve joked in the past that the states that are lining up now to ban abortion after South Dakota reminds me of a gang rape. It does. The psychology is exactly the same–ganging up to show off who’s the most masculine, who can hurt the victims the most. And the victims are always, always pegged as guilty.

Criminologists say that a lot of young men who participate in gang rapes would never rape a woman on their own. That strikes me as accurate–the pressure to conform and participate is probably enormous. It’s good evidence for the feminist assertion that rape is a tool of male dominance–the psychology is a lot like that of war–you must be brutal to the target to show your loyalty to the group. That the violence on average in gang rapes is worse than most other rapes is more evidence of this.

http://pandagon.net/2006/03/29/the-gang-rape-is-the-essential-scene-of-the-patriarchy/
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:29 PM
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1. And similarly, street harrassment is a male bonding ritual
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 08:30 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
Over the past forty years, I've been hassled by a lone man only once, and he was some jerk who was walking toward me on the sidewalk and told me I should be smiling. I laid into him for that, and he was taken aback. He was just trying to be "nice," you see. Right. He was telling me to "smile" when he had no idea what was going on in my life. (Nothing bad was going on, but it was still presumptuous of him.)

But the "hey baby" type of harrassment seems to be exclusively a group effort, whether it's perpetrated by construction workers or eighth graders. It's a game, and the object of the game is to get a reaction from the woman, even a negative one.

It doesn't matter who the woman is, either. I've been part of a group of mostly white-haired women who got the cat-called by teen-age boys leaning out of a passing car.

I finally decided that my mother's advice "Just ignore them" was the correct advice, because whenever I reacted, the guys would laugh and pat one another on the back and give one another high fives.

But in my fantasies, I take a swing and knock all of them flat with a single blow. :evilgrin:

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:14 AM
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4. Oh. My. God., Lydia, I HATE IT WHEN ASSHOLES TELL ME:
"You should be smiling." What, with all the polite, compassionate, intelligent folks like them out there to make life so free and easy for me? ACK. That is my least favorite rude behavior of all time.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 06:10 PM
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7. I have a patented response to that:
"Want me to smile? Then give me a reason to smile - LEAVE."
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:10 PM
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9. Great response!
:7
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 06:54 PM
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8. I walk head held high
I meet eyes. Fast pace, arms swinging (It's one of the ways I exercise anyway)Those Eyes divert to the side, or if they're brave enough for a leer, it's more like a little rat scuttling into the bushes. I ignore "hey baby" from cars. Eyes flat, nose slightly tilted, walking on the street, I look 'em dead in the eye. I learned this little chin tilt from my time on the street, kind of a backwards nod. I'll give them that if they keep eye contact. I never back down. I never show weakness. If I get a polite response, they're "rewarded" with a smile. (I stay safe as possible of course, in a rape culture it doesn't matter how you walk)

I'm older now, but I am in healthy shape. In fact my muscularity promotes curiosity. But since I walk aggressively, the pick up lines are "Do you know how to get to so and so" And the like. Occasional honks, hollers, crap like that. But I walk with power. "I" wouldn't fuck with me-- The way I walk.
But still, I am 45 year old Grandmother of two, would those idiots be acting that way if they knew my "social status?"

My daughter told me that in the military I'm considered a "MLF" Bet you're holding your breath for that one. Mother you'd love to Fuck. LOVELY. Like I'm supposed to be complimented by that. (She took me to see her PT in Hawaii, I had a great time folding my arms and glaring)

The Duke atrocities are yet another reflection of Woman as Body Parts. The Racism about the sexuality of black women involved is deeply ingrained in our society. (And a very long story, I should do some research we could have an entire thread devoted to it) My father, who until the last twenty years was as racist as you please. Once he outgrew most of that through age and wisdom (thank god)I found that he has always found black women attractive, and since he couldn't express it, expressed his racism and sexism toward them instead.

I hope those little bastards go to get convicted, go to prison, and have register as sex offenders, so it follows them the rest of their lives.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 10:12 PM
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2. They're in FULL 'blame the victim' mode now...
Alleged Rape Victim Had Past Brush With Law (Big friggin deal. WHAT does that have to do with her getting raped NOW? Excuse ME?)

http://www.wral.com/news/8513890/detail.html

_ _ _ _ _ AND _ _ _ _ _


The lacrosse players' attorney, appropriately named "Cheshire", claims that tempers flared, but no rape occurred. He blames the women leaving
early because they were being shouted at with racial slurs for the incident.

http://www.wral.com/news/8516436/detail.html#
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 09:00 AM
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6. I also heard where the neighbor who heard and reported the racial slurs
was getting threatened.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=4054178


It's disgusting what lengths they go to. It's one thing to defend a case - but these things go far beyond defense.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:12 AM
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3. I want all the sick little misogynists who posted in that evil
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 05:16 AM by BlueIris
thread in the Lounge from last fall on the pros and cons of fraternity life to have to read this portion of one of the fact sheets listed in the OP until its gruesome realities have sunk into their ignorant skulls (yeah, I know they might have to read it for, like, a year):

"Gang rapes on campus are most often perpetrated by men who participate in intensive male peer groups that foster rape-supportive behaviors and attitudes. One review of 24 alleged gang rapes found that in 22 of the 24 documented cases, the perpetrators were members of intercollegiate athletic teams or fraternities."

In that unfortunate discussion, I could not believe how many idiots were actually posting that no one had ever done any organized studies to evaluate whether frat boys raped women more frequently than other men on college campuses.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:54 AM
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5. I must have missed that
and yeah - that thread would have pissed me off, as well. Apologists. Blech. :puke:


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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 07:07 PM
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11. I remember that thread--
and alerting on it like there was no tomorrow, only to get nothing from it deleted. :eyes: wonder why...NOT.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 10:51 AM
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13. Fraternity Stats
From:

Duke lacrosse allegations fit mold

"According to research by Smith and Hattery, gang rapes at colleges break down this way: 55% involve fraternities, 40% involve men's teams, 5% involve others on campus. They presented their findings last week to a conference of The Drake Group, an organization of faculty and others that lobbies for academic integrity in college sports....

Smith says the sports most likely to have athletes involved are "ones with helmets and pads. For instance, you don't find cross country runners assaulting women on campus. You find this behavior among the violent sports where there's contact and an air of hyper-masculinity."

Smith says the culture of these sports often includes "locker-room talk that is misogynist."

...Smith says he teaches a course on violence and women each fall semester and he almost always gets a knock on his door from a woman in the class who has come to say, " 'Excuse me, can I talk to you about this?' And they go on to tell you about the same business — the rapes, the assaults, the coaches who tell them, 'Well, gee, you don't want to ruin this guy's career, do you?' "

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/lacrosse/2006-04-07-violence-allegations_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA


If it were up to me - On the basis of this - I would ban Football, Lacrosse and any other sport where gang rapes are encouraged among it's members. And Fraternities. Seems to me they cause more harm than good. For everybody.

It's bad enough when groups of men gang up on their own - it's worse when they are socially sanctioned, and applauded and defended. And where people are trying to make the argument that it is so well known that Frat guys rape that it's the woman's fault for going into the house.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:39 PM
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14. Oh, no, can't ban collegiate sports--then why would donors give?
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 01:40 PM by BlueIris
:sarcasm:

Revenue generated by sports was the single largest source of financial support for the major research university at which I did my undergraduate work. And don't even get me started on how unsafe that school is for students.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 07:06 PM
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10. I'm assuming that these guys come from money
I hope that I'm wrong. I also hope that I'm wrong in that their wealthy families will find a way to bury this or make it go away.

I'm beyond sick of that.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 12:06 AM
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12. Of course
I'm sure that to the guys a gang rape, or even harassing a woman, is just another "sporting event" to them. They cheer each other on, see who can "score" the best, get the best reaction out of the victim. Then when it's all over they go back to their lair to compare notes, drink beer and relive their "victory". :puke:


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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:10 PM
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15. What happened in The Accused isn't that far off the mark
is it?
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 10:09 PM
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16. Are we not allowed to talk
about the Duke rape case in this forum? Why was the post about this issue locked? How are we going to be able to counter misogyny if we're not even allowed to say that it exists?
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