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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 10:44 AM
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So Nifong, the Duke prosecutor, is getting disbarred
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 10:47 AM by thecatburgler
Duke Prosecutor Nifong Disbarred in Ethics Case (Update1)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aW9bAiVpto.8&refer=us


Nice.

How often do prosecutors who railroad poor defendants of color get disbarred? How many times does DNA have to exonerate death row inmates, sometimes after they've been executed, to get some resignations and disbarments going around here? Surely at least some of those prosecutors have engaged in a "tragic rush to accuse" or have been "fed by race, class and political ambition". Maybe they "manipulated the disclosure of evidence that might have helped the defendants, and made false statements to defendants' lawyers." Ya think?

How often do defense attorneys who smear the characters of assault, rape, and murder victims to get the sociopaths they represent light sentences or acquitted get disbarred? From the "preppy murderer" of the '80s, to William Kennedy Smith, to various gang rape trials all over the country. Surely at least some of the lawyers have acted with less than the utmost in ethical propriety. Ya think?

But screw with some privileged white boys and it's over for you, apparently.

Last I heard, one of the poor babies had secured himself a nice position on Wall Street. The others will undoubtedly enjoy similar beneficence. But it won't stop them from appearing on TV periodically to blubber about the indignities they were subjected to. Hopefully, seeing Nifong hung out to dry will make it all better for those poor widdle babies...:sarcasm:

BTW, to any trolls out there: Don't bother with your outrage over me not crying in my beer over the Horrible! Injustice! suffered by those boys. Show me a glimmer of concern for the MILLIONS of girls and women who are raped in the world every day, with no one getting punished for it, and we'll talk. 'Kay?





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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 02:42 PM
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1. Double standards rule eternal.
You're absolutely right. He's being disbarred only because he went up against rich white boys.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 09:35 PM
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2. The GD consensus seems to be
Burn the witch.

Now I remember why I stay out of there.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:34 AM
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3. You would think the GD crew would be at least a LITTLE suspicious
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 01:36 AM by BlueIris
of those who moved so quickly to assail and undermine Nifong, given that the MSM has been marching in a rigid lock-step against him practically since he opened the case. Disparaging Nifong has been as high a priority for the media as ripping Democrats has been. And the broad brush characterization of him now (on every network) as the "man responsible for the 'wrongful prosecution' of three Duke University students" is some of the most poorly concealed evidence I've seen in a long time that the U.S. media is nothing more than a propaganda machine.

On a site that seems, for the most part, to recognize the reality of media corruption, (and "get" who it was that corrupted it and why) you'd think more posters here would be leaping to question the legitimacy of the media's "hang Nifong" campaign. And questioning the fact that such an obvious effort even exists. But I guess the racist, misogynist reflex to attack any man who accuses three white men of raping a black female has overpowered the logical thought processes of many DU users.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 02:01 PM
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5. And you'd think
That they'd be a little leery of the AG who is out to hang him as well. Not being too political, is he? :eyes:

I just love how it's gone from "insufficient evidence" to "those boys are INNOCENT!" Excuse me? OJ Simpson's jury didn't find the evidence sufficient to convict him but raise your hands if you think he's innocent.
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:32 AM
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4. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to write books
Wook at me poor wittle rich boy. Waaah! Did they do the morning show/talk show circuit yet and cry? :puke: What has happened to this woman?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 06:21 PM
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6. I keep hearing Judge Walton's words
paraphrasing :)

It is an impressive show of public service when so many members of this well-respected community are able to amass their collective wisdom in the course of only several days to provide their legal expertise and support to DU on behalf of a criminal defendant. DU trusts that this is a reflection of these eminent academics' willingness in the future to step to the plate and provide like assistance and support in cases involving any of the numerous female and/or nonwhite litigants who lack the financial means to fully and properly articulate the merits of their legal positions even in instances where failure to do so could result in monetary penalties, incarceration, or worse. DU will certainly not hesitate to call for such assistance from these luminaries, as necessary in the interests of justice and equity, whenever similar questions arise in the cases that come before it.


On a side note, do you all think I'm too harsh here? Is this too much? I think I swear a lot.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1132999&mesg_id=1135087
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 09:11 PM
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8. Very nicely paraphrased!
Great post on that godawful GD thread too. I tried to slog through a bit of it but my desire to keep my dinner down prevailed. I got a kick out of the exchange between you and the poster who tried to argue that you were denigrating female screenwriters. :rofl:

So a female-authored novel and/or screenplay was the inspiration for some racist misogynist fuckwit's hate-filled, gloating email. So what? What does that prove, other than he is unimaginative and unoriginal, in addition to being a racist misogynist fuckwit? Shit, if he had any talent or creativity whatsoever, he probably wouldn't be the knuckledragging shitstain that he is.

(I think I swear a lot too! :hi: )
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 06:54 PM
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7. and now they're
getting paid off by Duke.

Books, movie rights, jobs, more $$....

and I'm still of the opinion that SOMETHING happened. And we'll never know the truth, either.

The rich and powerful win again, apparently.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 09:33 PM
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9. I think something happened, too
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 09:59 PM by thecatburgler
Notice how they are going out of their way to insist upon the innocence of the boys, how utterly exonerated they are. I have literally never seen an Attorney General fall over himself to declare such things about former defendants and castigate a prosecutor like that, ever. It's like they want to make sure that no one looks further into the actual events of that night.

"Yep, nothing happened. Nothing at all. Nothing to see here. Move along now."

*edit to add* One more thing. Notice how the official focus is on Nifong being the scheming liar in the end, not the plaintiff. A lot of DUers are calling for her head, claiming that she should be brought up on charges. But she's hasn't been, has she? The story is that they're not going to charge her with anything because she's confused or mentally ill, or something. How convenient. Wonder if the valiant defenders of a bunch of misogynist fuckwit rich white assholes on DU have considered that maybe, just maybe, they don't want to put her on the stand because it may provide her with another chance to prove HER case. Hmm....
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:21 AM
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14. It's not even technically correct -
and it's ethically dishonest - to declare them "INNOCENT". There wasn't enough evidence (supposedly) to prosecute. Period. The AG CANNOT declare them innocent - only a court of law can after a trial.





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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:27 PM
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10. Puke-making for sure
I could barely watch it. The parents even made me sick. "Not MY boy" Yeah? what was your "innocent boy" doing at a party with a stripper who evidently was so impaired she was dehumanized and ripped apart by the press the minute those men were charged. I would love to see one of the mothers (or fathers)at a press conference saying something like " I believe in my son and I believe he did not commit the horrid crime of physical rape but I feel the sex trade is demeaning, degrading and also horrid to women--another type of rape, actually--and my heart goes out to the young woman --the young mother who has been put through absolute hell during this"
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:49 PM
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12. Go away
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 07:36 AM
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13. Woah, glad I missed that one.
We haven't had any trolls for a while, (that I've seen) but I suppose if anything would bring them out from their holes, it would be this topic
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:34 AM
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15. Holy fuck, GD is a cesspool
The defenders of the honor of white fratboys everywhere are out in full force. On a thread about another rape case (the nice one in CA with the 17 year old victim being rescued by 2 female athletes as she was being raped while vomiting on herself) they are bringing up the Duke case. More threads about what a glorious day for justice we have upon us because some assholes got the charges dropped and an attorney with an impressive career is getting disbarred. Yes, truly a watershed moment. Ranks right up there with Miranda. :eyes:

According to our DU commentariat: Rape is bad but women lie about it sometimes so one must always take stories about vomiting unconscious 17 year olds being sexually assaulted with a grain of salt. Plus, Nifong is personally responsible for every rapist who gets away with it now, and for the rest of time. In perpetuity. Because as we all know, rapes were vigorously prosecuted prior to the Duke case and victims were always credible, no matter what their occupation or socio-economic status was. Until Nifong and that Black stripper CHANGED EVERYTHING!! :sarcasm:


And there is one poster who is just working working herself into a lather over defending the Duke boys. I'm dying to ask her if one of them is her son because she is just livid about it, but I'd probably get tombstoned for that. I mean, shit, that would be SO MUCH worse than, oh I don't know, popping into the Feminists Group to call women skanks and whores, right?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 05:08 PM
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16. Your fortitude is greater than mine...
...I've been avoiding GD since I read about Difong's situation and the possible disbarring. I knew that would create a garbage dump of crap. I've been on a bit of a media sabbatical, so I hadn't even heard about the CA case. (sigh) But as "liberal" as CA is supposed to be, they have NOT been progressive in terms of dealing with rape.

My personal experience has been watching them tell a victim that they couldn't (translation wouldn't) prosecute her rape because the evidence was "inconclusive." In other words, they worried it wouldn't be a slam dunk win and couldn't be bothered to "waste money." Of course there was also the Heidl case, a benchmark in terms of total disregard for victim's rights and the system enabling a rapist to hurt more girls and women. :grr::mad:

As for the women posters in GD, at least one that comes out for Duke rape threads I've long suspected is a dude using a woman's name. If not, I've got to wonder how she functions in the world, with so much latent hostility toward women. :puke:

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 05:13 PM
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17. I don't know which one you are talking about, because there are 2 of them
There's the one who uses short terse legal-ish arguments. Then there's the one who talks about her kids being in college. I seriously think sumpin's up there. She is just really defensive about da poor widdle cowwege boyz, ya know?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 05:31 PM
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18. I meant the one w/a short name....
...besides being a sexist, she's a homophobe and a racist. (Big surprise, right?) :eyes:

I think I know the one you mean. If so, she TRIED to attack me in one of the "mourning the collective loss of those poor misunderstood Duke boys" threads the last go round (two months ago). I responded in a thread and she posted a baiting attack (trying to reel me in for her bullshit). I responded to her with "ignored" and she moved on. :eyes:

I think she's off her nut and I've been tempted to put her on ignore. If it's the same one I'm thinking of, she also has a bad habit of posting in glbt issue threads and being dismissive. Apparently she's an authority on gay issues because a cousin's, aunt's, friend's, neighbor's bestfriend that she happens to know is gay, and of course that means SHE has it on good authority that SHE is right and the gays are whining.

Real pita (pain in the ass), that one.

Check your pm's--I'll send you the name I had in mind.
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