A world without religion.... OH What a wonderful world that would be !

RethugAssKicker

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:02 PM
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A world without religion.... OH What a wonderful world that would be !

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Sammy Pepys

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:03 PM
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1. Eh, I'm not so sure about that. n/t

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wryter2000

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:04 PM
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2. Yeah

No church charities picking up the slack in the South for FEMA. No one wanted that food after Katrina.

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Marnieworld

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:26 PM
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48. It's not charity if you get reimbursed

FEMA gave them $ back for their efforts. At least someone showed up though.

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WildEyedLiberal

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:04 PM
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3. People would just find new and different reasons to kill each other n/t

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Mythsaje

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:04 PM
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4. Didn't John Lennon sing something about that?

Then again, the mind-blower was when Dolly Parton COVERED the song.

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Duer 157099

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:06 PM
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5. Yes! Yes! Yes!

I'm reading a fantastic book called "Losing Faith in Faith" (Dan Barker) and it's giving me renewed focus (I almost said "faith" lol). The author is now part of "Freedom From Religion Foundation" and I'm going to look into them and see how to get involved.

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Avalux

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:07 PM
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6. Please remember a lot of folks here are religious -

it's not the religion in and of itself, it's what humans do with it and how they use it to fit their own agenda.

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Beelzebud

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:08 PM
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8. I'm glad John Lennon wasn't too PC to sing Imagine...

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jobycom

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:13 PM
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19. Funny, I thought the song was very PC. I guess it's not PC to be PC.

If it's not PC to be PC, then being PC is not being PC and not being PC is being PC, so when people say they are against PC aren't they really being PC as opposed to not being PC?

Personally, I think anyone who complains about having to be PC is just trying to justify being rude. But it wouldn't be PC of me to say that. Unless... Oh hell, my head hurts.

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Avalux

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:17 PM
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25. That was John Lennon's opinion - look at it this way

How about a world of tolerance for every other human being regardless of religious belief or lack of religious belief. I much prefer tolerance to diversity than doing away with religion.

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:10 PM
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15. A world in which people can understand simple fucking rules....

imagine that!

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Marnieworld

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:28 PM
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50. I agree

I'm not religious but I wouldn't negate all of the good it does for the bad it does. This seems like big ol' flamebait to me.

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MADem

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:08 PM
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7. I don't mind religion, as long as people don't demand that EVERYONE

like their flavor of it.

Sure, there may be some people who like beet and celery icecream, but imagine if that was the only flavor available from the ice cream truck at the beach?????

People should enjoy their own flavor, and not demand that others buy it, too....

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ThomCat

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:08 PM
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9. I think religion is wonderful

the same way I think Philosphy is wonderful. It can teach people a hell of a lot.

But it should be kept within strict limits somehow. It shouldn't be allowed to have any broad social or political influence. Think what you want, but keep it to yourself.

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deaniac21

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:16 PM
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24. What about free speech?

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ThomCat

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:19 PM
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33. Talk about it all you want.

I just don't think relgion should be allowed any broad social or political influence. Once religion gets beyond the focus on individuals and starts aiming at society very little good ever comes of it.

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WildEyedLiberal

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:22 PM
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39. What about it?

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jobycom

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:09 PM
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10. Nah, people would still be the same, they'd just find other things to

justify their actions. Science, economics, whatever. The good and bad stuff religion gets blamed for isn't a result of religion, it is just something in people, and religion is how they explain it. You don't have to look further than the 20th century to see people using science the same way, to justify racial superiority, genocide, personal self-righteousness, or whatever.

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ThomCat

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:20 PM
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34. Unfortunately, I agree.

People will always find some excuse to think they are better than everyone else.

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Viva_La_Revolution

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:09 PM
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11. A world without Organized religion....

OH What a wonderful world that would be !

Religion in itself is not the problem, it's what men do with it that creates all the problems.

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deaniac21

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:17 PM
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26. Now you are talking. A world without MEN!

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Viva_La_Revolution

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:31 PM
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54. Okay, I should have said "mankind"

cause I loves the Men. :evilgrin:

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Taxloss

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:09 PM
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12. Oh, no.

RTAK, please report to the A&A Group for public relations training.

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liberalpragmatist

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:10 PM
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13. That yin-yang's a religious symbol you know - nt

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RethugAssKicker

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:14 PM
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22. Good catch !

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jobycom

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:19 PM
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31. So you're saying the OP is really opposed to other people's religion

rather than religion in general. The "Nirvana" quote in his or her sig line would further hint at that. :-)

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lukasahero

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:26 PM
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46. BWAHAHAHA!

Thanks for that - didn't even see.

:rofl:

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JohnKleeb

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:10 PM
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14. You're wrong

I guess I am a minority here on the boards but I really do see religion as a positive force in the world. Yes it has its bad but that's a lot of things in life. Remember it was religion that drove the Civil Rights movement, helping hte needy out, and so many other causes of right.

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Tulum_Moon

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:13 PM
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21. The world may just be a better place

We could all live as one. But I don't see Muslims giving up on Islam.

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Bridget Burke

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:17 PM
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28. I don't think that Muslims are the only ones ...

Who would not abandon their faith. Why did you single them out?

And who says we must all "live as one"?

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JohnKleeb

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:18 PM
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29. People will always find reason to hate, its human nature at its worst

I wouldn't give up Christianity either. The past two years of my life have been hard but thanks to religion things really have become more clear.

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ThomCat

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:21 PM
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Religion also justified the racism that the civil rights movement opposed.

Religion wasn't just on one side of that fight.

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JohnKleeb

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:25 PM
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43. I am aware of that

but it was in fact a Southern Baptist minister that was the face of the Civil Rights movement. Religion like many things in the world is a two sided coin. It has its people who use it to promote hate read the Phelps and those who use it to promote the good in people ala King.

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ThomCat

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:27 PM
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49. So if religion was the foundation on both sides of the fight

religion gets the credit no matter who wins?

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JohnKleeb

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:30 PM
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52. Not what I said

Religion isn't this evil thing that some make it out to be. You know why slavery became commonly used in the American South. It had more to do with finding a racial scapegoat so poor whites and poor blacks would hate each other no matter what.

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ThomCat

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:31 PM
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55. And religion was a huge part of the justification for slavery.

Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 01:32 PM by ThomCat

I know that my last post wasn't what you said, just the obvious conclusion based on what you said.

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Inland

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:11 PM
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16. Huh. I would have picked a world without war, or disease, or warming

for my "wonderful" world. I don't think religion would have made my top ten of things I would wish away, although religions that cause war would have been included in number one.

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:12 PM
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18. Yeah, but that would make for lousy trolling.

This topic, on the other hand, will inspire precisely the ugliness and division that the OP was hoping for.

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Inland

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:18 PM
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30. Roger that. nt

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ThomCat

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:23 PM
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40. Getting rid of religion would get rid of most wars.

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WildEyedLiberal

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:23 PM
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41. Like WWII?

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Inland

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:26 PM
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45. Sure it would. And disease, and poverty.

Anything else? Hospitals? Charities? That annoying brunch crowd?

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stopbush

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:12 PM
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17. One can dream, can't one?

A good start would be to make the distinction between spirituality and religiosity. They
are, in fact, quite exclusive of each other.

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RethugAssKicker

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:15 PM
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23. Agreed... thats why I specifically stated "religion"

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Zynx

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:13 PM
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20. Okay, what exactly would actually improve?

Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 01:14 PM by Zynx

Greed? No. Killing? Hell no, the godless among us have proven that they are plenty capable of killing people en masse. Poverty? The greediest person I've ever met was a Republican atheist. Dishonesty? Oh, because we all know atheists don't lie.

Come on. Give us your best shot. When you make such a bold statement, you must provide some kind of argument.

I think a world without flame baiting types such as yourself would actually show more promise.

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RethugAssKicker

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:17 PM
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27. I don't think the wholesale killing of people would occur

without it...The idea that God will reward you for killing "his" enemy would not exist. IMO.

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:21 PM
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35. Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot might disagree with you there. n/t

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WildEyedLiberal

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:22 PM
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38. Great minds think alike n/t

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WildEyedLiberal

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:21 PM
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37. The Holocaust wasn't religiously motivated.

Neither were Pol Pot's killing fields, nor Stalin's gulags, nor genocide in Rwanda.

Pretty much all the "wholesale killing of people" in the 20th century was done for reasons other than God/religion.

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ThomCat

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:26 PM
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44. Sure it was.

The whole idea of singling out the Jews was entirely based on religion. There was a long and robust history of Christians persecuting and blaming Jews. The Nazis simply developed what was already there.

The holocaust was the largest Pogrom in history. Without religion (both the Christian and Jewish religions) it could never have happened.

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Inland

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:29 PM
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51. Here you go.

Killer wholesale

Killer retail

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Zynx

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:35 PM
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56. Hmmm...Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot...

They must not have killed people wholesale by your definition. I could throw Hitler in there, but I'm not up for the debate about his religion since that is always a pointless exercise.

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rinsd

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:30 PM
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53. Totally agreed, religion is the excuse/rationalization for depravity

not the cause of it.

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SmokingJacket

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:19 PM
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32. Why post something like that?

Just to piss people off? Because it ain't productive. Religion's not going anywhere. And I say that as an atheist.

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Inland

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:21 PM
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36. No, look at the carefully thought out thesis

Oh, wait, there's no message at all. Yeah, it seems it's just to piss people off. Thankfully, nobody is taking the flamebait.

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rman

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:23 PM
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42. people can do evil without religion

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ThomCat

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:26 PM
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47. True, but religion is great soil for growing evil.

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Wed Apr-26-06 01:36 PM
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57. Locking

A world without flame bait.... OH What a wonderful world that would be!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

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