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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:20 PM
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Holy Crap!!! George W's palace
http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/picture/0,,295185,00.jpg
"Building work at the 104-acre complex, known locally as 'George W's palace', is supposed to be secret, but it is impossible to disguise the cranes dominating the Baghdad skyline"

In the chaos of Iraq, one project is on target: a giant US embassy
From Daniel McGrory in Baghdad

THE question puzzles and enrages a city: how is it that the Americans cannot keep the electricity running in Baghdad for more than a couple of hours a day, yet still manage to build themselves the biggest embassy on Earth?

Irritation grows as residents deprived of air-conditioning and running water three years after the US-led invasion watch the massive US Embassy they call “George W’s palace” rising from the banks of the Tigris.

In the pavement cafés, people moan that the structure is bigger than anything Saddam Hussein built. They are not impressed by the architects’ claims that the diplomatic outpost will be visible from space and cover an area that is larger than the Vatican city and big enough to accommodate four Millennium Domes. They are more interested in knowing whether the US State Department paid for the prime real estate or simply took it.

While families in the capital suffer electricity cuts, queue all day to fuel their cars and wait for water pipes to be connected, the US mission due to open in June next year will have its own power and water plants to cater for a population the size of a small town

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-2162249,00.html
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:22 PM
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1. Jeebus! That is obscene.
However, I will make a suggestion: since King George is building a palace, let's just ship HIM over there, let him live there, in return for agreeing to leave us the fuck alone.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:25 PM
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6. Good idea!
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:26 PM
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8. The Iraqis have been through far worse from him than we have
I vote for delivering the King's palace to him, stone by stone, air-dropped "special delivery".
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:35 PM
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17. You are right, of course, magellan. They HAVE had it worse
I wasn't suggesting he should rule over there -- God forbid the Iraqi's suffer THAT punishment! I just mean, ship him over there, let him ride his trike around the palace grounds, and let the rest of us get on with the business of setting the world -- or at least this country -- right.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:47 PM
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20. All's well, SeattleGirl
I was trying to find a funny way of saying what I meant so you wouldn't think I thought you meant...lol, I shoulda used a smiley or sumpin! In other words, it's cool. Actually you may be on to a brilliant idea. I mean, Bush** stuck in a sprawling palace in the middle of Baghdad? The man is already a paranoid freak...I'd pay real money to watch his total meltdown on CCTV!! :smoke:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:26 AM
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29. LOL! That would definitely be worth paying for!
:rofl:
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:23 PM
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2. Meet the new boss
eom
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:23 PM
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3. Hey New Orleans.. Check out that pad!
How does that make you feel?
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:23 PM
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4. Pentagon east.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:50 PM
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24. Correction: it's the Tower of Babel
I know they built this hoping it would be "Saigon helicopter proof" but it strikes me that the real precedent for this comes straight out of Genesis
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:25 PM
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5. Whoah!
And the enduring bases. It's an outpost on the frontier. It's a colony. It's so in-your-face.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:26 PM
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7. disturbing
So disturbing, I am speechless. I just really can't put it into words.

:wtf:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:28 PM
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9. That is going to be Target Number 1
once it's built. I would be afraid to be anywhere near there.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:17 AM
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:11 PM
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58. That comment was uncalled for
This embassy building is outrageous and I am sad that reconstruction funding (which will dry up soon, as no more has been budgeted) could be used for anything other than helping the Iraqi people. But your comment, perhaps unintentionally (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), is calling for violence against Americans who will be in the building, and I think such talk should not be tolerated on this message board. Please reconsider what you just said.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:37 PM
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69. No, I am against violence of any kind, including destruction of property
I also want the troops to come home, but they're there now, and even folks working for Blackwater shouldn't be hurt. And that's ridiculous to want to destroy a building complex that maybe some day can be used by the Iraqis.

I'm not anti-war. I'm pro-peace. And I think any calls for the destruction of people or property is immoral and goes against the people I admire like MLK and Gandhi. Are they not our role models?

What is happening to the people on this website when it's okay to incite violence and destruction?



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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:55 PM
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73. As A Matter Of Curiousity, Ma'am
On what grounds would you hold that U.S. soldiers, and mercenaries employed by the U.S. government on contract, having invaded Iraq and currently being engaged in occupying it, are not legitimate objects of attack for a national resistance against invasion and occupation?

Any country and its people have the right to resist invasion and occupation, and are certainly under no obligation to cease doing so at the command of the invader as he solidifies his position through establishing a puppet government housed in his fortified zones.

How is pointing out these facts, for they are facts, inciting violence and destruction? You may be sure Iraqis, from a variety of factions and feom a variety of motives, will continue to press their war against the occupation of their country, whatever we may or may not say here.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:28 PM
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10. Add in the permanent bases...
...and Iraq is BushCo's, permanently.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:32 PM
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12. jinx!
you owe me a coke
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:43 PM
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19. Anytime and allways, Amiga.
Great think minds alike.





Permanent US Bases in Iraq are Immoral

Common Dreams
By Adil E. Shamoo | April 19, 2006
Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org

Last February, former President Jimmy Carter said on the Larry King show, "Some of our top leaders never intend to withdraw military forces from Iraq and they are looking for ten, 20, 50 years." He continued, "I have never heard our leaders say that …ten years from now there will be no military bases of the United States in Iraq."

President Carter’s understanding is true. President George W. Bush announced at a recent press conference that he fully expects U.S. troops to be in Iraq for the duration of his presidency while leaving the issue of a permanent presence to a future president.

In the meantime, the United States is preparing for the long haul. The Pentagon has already spent $1 billion or more on the nearly 100 bases strewn across Iraq and the president's latest funding request for the Iraq War included $348 million for further base construction.

Some of the bases resemble mini-cities. For example, Camp Anaconda occupies 15 square miles and has amenities such as swimming pools, a gym, a miniature-golf course, and a movie theater.

Given the daily turmoil in Iraq, the American people should question both the morality and the policy implications of what this sort of U.S. military presence brings.

The current objective, as pronounced by the president in a public relations blitz over the past three months, is to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq. The president argues that this in turn will bring prosperity to the people as well as peace toward its neighbors and toward the West and to the United States in particular.

CONTINUED...

http://www.fpif.org/fpifoped/3224



Crazy Monkey
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:30 PM
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11. It's funny I found this in the British news.....NOT. MSM never said a
word.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:06 AM
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25. Why aren't they talking about this? Never mind...
I wish Dick Gregory or Helen Thomas would ask about this "Ponderosa" spread at a press briefing.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:32 PM
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13. On first look...
I thought "holy shit, I'm not suprised they are hiding that one". Then I thought "you know what, I can't believe they aren't using pictures of this place to show how "great" things are going over there." :shrug:
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:32 PM
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14. Here's another thread on this.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:35 PM
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16. Another country other than ours reports this. SICK!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:47 PM
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21. And yet another one at ...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:32 PM
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15. This has been known by DU for months. Are you really surprised,
or are you surprised that no one else has 'talked' about it?
I wish the rest of the world knew this little tidbit...
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:35 PM
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18. Well my newsgroups know now.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:49 PM
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23. We always knew about 14 enduring bases
But now there are a hundred???
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:19 PM
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45. This Is The First Pic I've Seen
I've been wondering when Bush's shiny new Palace would make it's debut.

Will Bush, Condi, Rummy and Cheney (the man in charge) go down and do a ribbon cutting ceremony to rub it even more into the faces of Iraqi's? Make them Iraqi' damn sure they know who's in charge of their country.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:47 PM
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22. "Rising from the banks of the Tigris" ? How Biblical can you get?
"(T)he massive US Embassy they call "George W’s palace" rising from the banks of the Tigris... is larger than the Vatican city and big enough to accommodate four Millennium Domes."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-2162249,00.html

Oh no, It's the Tower of Babel!

I try not to make observations that will make me sound like a millenialist, but the good Lord doesn't have a lot of patience with megalomaniacal construction projects carried out by the corrupt and sinful in that particular corner of the Fertile Crescent.
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Ex Lion Tamer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:38 PM
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53. LOL!
"I try not to make observations that will make me sound like a millenialist, but the good Lord doesn't have a lot of patience with megalomaniacal construction projects carried out by the corrupt and sinful in that particular corner of the Fertile Crescent."

Great humor! Thanks for the laugh.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:43 PM
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54. Maybe it's gonna be the new Jerusalem Temple so Christ can return.
Let the rapture begin. Hey guys, you built it in the wrong place.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:07 PM
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65. LOL. Nice catch.
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Keseys Ghost Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:13 AM
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26. AACK!!
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schrodingers_cat Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 11:20 AM
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42. Oooop!!! (n/t)
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:22 AM
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28. Just like any other empire...
they must first build icons showing the strength of the empire.

:grr:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:46 PM
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55. "Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."


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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:30 AM
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30. I think we should email all the lib blog sites and get them to start
talking about this non-stop. Have it all over the Web since none of the MSM in this country will do it. I heard about this embassy, but just seeing that pic has made me furious.


I want to email now, but could someone list some of the blog sites to write to? Thanks.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:31 AM
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31. "Oil production was 2.18 million barrels"
=$152 million per day. To whom, I wonder...
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:43 AM
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32. Times a thousand days.
Do the math, everyone.

IMO, this is one of the greatest unreported stories ever.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:45 AM
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37. that was before the invasion
It has dropped about 40 percent since the invasion because of attacks on pipelines and wells

Can't say that I blame the Iraqis for trying to keep us from stealing their oil
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:05 PM
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44. We don't know if it dropped
The oil isn't metered now.

-Hoot
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:28 PM
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50. Sure we do
Take a look here:

http://www.iags.org/iraqpipelinewatch.htm

It also details attacks by Iraqis on the oil infrastructure, we're up to 309 as of April Fool's Day.

A crude threat

By Gal Luft
The Baltimore Sun, April 6, 2004.

THE CLAIM that Iraq might be able to double its oil production and pay for its own reconstruction once Saddam Hussein was removed from power seems surreal a year later. An average of one to two sabotage attacks a week against Iraq's oil pipelines has crippled the country's oil industry, hindering its ability to export crude. As a result, Iraq's exports hardly exceed half of its prewar production capacity, and Iraqis, sitting on the world's second-largest reserves, often find themselves standing in gas lines longer than those Americans faced in the worst days of the 1973 oil embargo. Exports are down from 2.5 million barrels a day before the war to 1.5 million barrels a day now.

The U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority has made protecting the pipelines and restoring Iraq's oil industry a top priority. Nearly 14,000 security guards have been deployed along the pipelines and in critical installations, using surveillance equipment and electronic motion detectors. There has also been a sixfold increase in the number of mobile security patrols.

But the fight against pipeline sabotage is nowhere near its end. In fact, in some areas it is intensifying. After more than 100 pipeline attacks in northern Iraq, terrorists last month began hitting the pipelines in the south near Basra.


http://www.iags.org/n050904b.htm
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:57 AM
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33. Welcome to the U. S. Territory of Iraq.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:26 AM
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34. Did Congress approve of this abomination? What about the troops? I
thought the billions of dollars appropriated was for the troops and that Iraqi oil revenue would pay for reconstruction?

This is a crime beyond belief and it needs to be handed over to the Iraqi people and this criminal adminstration should never, ever profit from it.

We need to see those energy meeting hearings. When was this all planned? This took time.

Whenever I think I can't be more disgusted by these crooks, I'm always wrong ~ someone has to stop them ~ where is our government?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:46 AM
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39. Oh, That!!!!!
Yesterday, congresscritters passed a 'resolution' declaring 'it's not the policy of the U.S. to have a permanent presence in Iraq"......transparent fig leaf, no?



:rofl:

:rofl:
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:34 PM
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52. Well the fig leaf maybe transparent but that monstrosity isn't. lol
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:37 AM
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35. I'd like to see a 60 Minutes report on THIS
This is made-for TV.

The recitation of the raw numbers alone would cause an uproar. At least among the majority of Americans.

But, since when have a majority of Americans stopped anything, lately?
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:31 AM
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36. "While families in the capital suffer electricity cuts, queue all day to
fuel their cars and wait for water pipes to be connected, the US mission due to open in June next year will have its own power and water plants to cater for a population the size of a small town"

Not to mention all the KILLING. How sickening, and sad. :(
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:46 AM
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38. It's not an embassy
It's a base
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:49 AM
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41. Au Contrair, it's one of Our Empire's SUPER bases in occupied Iraq ...
:puke:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:48 AM
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40. I can't believe that our tax dollars are being
PAID for this shit!

I call it a HUGE "target of opportunity" that will be destroyed after we're kicked out of THEIR COUNTRY. :puke:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 11:49 AM
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43. Stupidity can be seen from outer space too.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:42 PM
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46. Gotta watch out for those Aliens, now they know there is no intelligent
life here.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:55 PM
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47. If they did, they might take the jobs we don't want.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:24 PM
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49. Let's build a space wall like Ronnie Raygun wanted to do.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:50 PM
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56. Yeah, that will stop those container ships as they fly over the
north pole with their deadly cargo destined for New Jersey.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:57 PM
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57. lol
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:22 PM
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48. That would be a good set for a reality show...
along the lines of "House" or whatever the name was where the roommates eliminated each other.

It could be called "The New Hague" and all of the war criminals could be sent there. It's probably already wired for sound and video. Corporate Media could do exposes on it and give us their opinions while a split screen shows the true intrigue being shaped by the power players; example: Rove and Cheney smiling together while they are both plotting the demise of the other while, at the same time, Leeden is lying to both of them and Bush is reading "My Pet Goat". I think it would be a fun show, I think the Iraqi's would even like it if Chalabi and a few others were included.

Who would be the last man or woman standing? Final elimination prize could be a life sentence.

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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 01:29 PM
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51. Our tax dollars are being spent to build palaces in honor of Chimpy?
What's next? Renaming the Washington Monument the Bush Monument, after making it twice as tall and placing a pair of spherical oil tanks at the base?

The only thing Bush deserves to have named after him is an outhouse. He makes Eric Cartman look like a selfless, caring, and thoughtful boy by comparison.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:12 PM
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59. Pigs!
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:28 PM
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60. They dishonor us all
:puke:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:54 PM
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62. ttt n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:54 PM
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63. And idiots wonder why the Iraqi people support the rebellion.
NT!

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:08 PM
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66. Where is the money coming from for this?
Is that why the troops are short on armor and other needs?
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:09 PM
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67. Down with Bush Inc!
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 03:21 PM
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68. Its Hard Work Taking over the world....
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:47 PM
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70. The Colonial Palace.
This is a monument to the Neo Fascist Regime of America. Imperial Hubris paid for by the American Middle Class.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:50 PM
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71. So does this mean the chimp will move there when he proclaims
himself "The King of the Universe"?
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:48 PM
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72. Will they be vacated and demolished by the Iraqis in my lifetime...
or our children's lifetime?

Time will tell.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:38 PM
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74. Pig Farm East. If ** flees there to hide, who's going to get him out? nt
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