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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:33 AM
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Same-sex couples forced into exile from US flock to Britain
. Gay and lesbian partners drawn by new laws
· Exodus blamed on lack of recognition in America


A growing number of gay and lesbian Americans are being forced to leave the United States and resettle in Britain, where new immigration rules grant them the same rights as straight couples, according to the New York-based civil rights organisation Human Rights Watch. "Many US citizens go into exile to preserve their families and stay with their life partners," says an HRW report, Family, Unvalued, released this week. "When US citizens' foreign partners are not permitted to live with them in their country, Americans are forced to uproot themselves and leave their families, their jobs, their communities and country. Often, they turn to one of the 19 countries with laws that let citizens sponsor their same-sex partners for immigration purposes."

The UK's immigration rules were changed to grant equality to same-sex couples as an amendment to the Civil Partnership Act, which came into force in November last year. As a result, many Americans with European Union partners have moved to Britain. Lance Lattig, a spokesman for HRW, said: "A large number of same-sex couples have gone to the UK or are thinking of going."
According to the US census there are 40,000 binational same-sex couples in the US, although Mr Lattig believes the number to be several times higher. A Home Office spokesman said: "The act sends a clear message that same-sex couples deserve recognition and respect."

Other countries that allow citizens to sponsor their same-sex partners for immigration purposes include Canada and 12 other European countries - Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland. On other continents, the list includes Brazil, Israel, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.


A bit more:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gayrights/story/0,,1766934,00.html
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:45 AM
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1. I'm sorry, but "forced into exile?"
No matter how much one sympathizes with the cause of same-sex marriage - "forced into exile" is a bit of a ridiculous exaggeration.

"They chose to leave because they're unhappy at being treated like second-class citizens" is a lot more accurate.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:48 AM
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2. Indirectly you could call that force.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:51 AM
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3. Directly, I call that wild hyperbole.
I hope they're happier in the UK, though.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:55 AM
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4. Hyperbole, perhaps. But, nonetheless true.
I, at one point, also wanted to leave the US. However, I have decided to stay and fight. I do not have children, nor do I have hostile family, so I am much better off than most.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:16 AM
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12. I call that forced into exile
Edited on Thu May-04-06 06:16 AM by LostinVA
Just like Billie Holliday, et al, went to France because of laws in this country. When you are not give the same rights as others, and must leave the country to live a NORMAL life with NORMAL rights... that's being forced into leaving.

I've been fired for a job for dating a woman. Have you ever been fired for dating someone of the opposite sex?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:03 AM
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5. Forced into Exile?
Come to Brooklyn! We take and embrace everyone. In our mosaic, same sex couples are, frankly . . . routine and boring.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:22 AM
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7. Thanks -- but that doesn't address the real issues involved
See my post #6.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:21 PM
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19. Fine, my sympathy and empathy are misplaced nt
Edited on Thu May-04-06 06:31 PM by TomClash
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 05:22 AM
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6. I'm astounded at the display of ignorance on this thread
Some multinational gay couples don't just become emigrants because they're "unhappy", they ARE forced into exile because according to U.S. laws they are not granted the same legal rights as straight couples. IOW, if you're an American and marry someone from abroad, they can legally stay here in the U.S. as your marriage partner. Gay couples have no such rights. When the visa of a foreign-born partner expires, they must return to their home country. Say, maybe they can stand in the back of the line for immigrant status, which could take YEARS.

Of course, even if the foreign-born partner is finally accepted as a legal immigrant, they will have to accept the fact that unlike the situation in their home countries, they will have no legal rights as a "married" spouse in their adopted land of the US of A. In most states that means no right to marry their loved one, no right of survivorship, no right to be covered under a joint health plan, no right to adopt, among dozens of other rights taken for granted among straight couples. In some communities they would not even be able to rent/buy a home.

Some of you folks really have NO clue. Multinational gay couples aren't emigrating because they're simply unhappy, some are emigrating to SURVIVE. I'm just truly astounded by the display of ignorance, dismissal and condescension I've seen in this thread.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:08 AM
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8. Very few countries as yet recognize same-sex marriage.
The article's hyperbole implies that 1.) Recognition of same-sex marriage is somehow the norm 2.) Same-sex couples are being kicked out of the US, or leaving to escape concentration camps.

It is an irresponsible, non-factual, distorted headline, and nobody is "ignorant" for pointing that out. Nobody is trying to be condescending.

And you're doing the same thing the writer is. Emigrating to "survive"? So they will DIE now if they don't have full marriage rights? Come now.

People are still IMPRISONED in Cuba for being gay. In some muslim countries people can be beheaded. I'm only 36 and I remember when gay ANYTHING was not a fit topic for conversation and "the gay community" consisted of a few windowless bars on the wrong side of town. It's within the last DECADE that anti-sodomy laws were struck down. America has made huge progress on LGBT rights in only a few years (while most other progressive causes have withered, I might add) and yet you would join with those pointing to it as the new anti-gay third reich.


Bush is a pig who uses gays as a scapegoat to win elections, and America has a long ways to go on gay rights, but hyperbole is hyperbole. Keeping the headline factual would have made the article more effective, in fact it would be more touching.

"Gay Partners Being Torn Apart by Discriminatory Laws" would have been just as moving, and even better, it would actually be true.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:33 AM
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16. "Survive" as in survive as a couple or as a family
You can split semantic hairs all you want, but there are all manners of force, and legal force is one way multinational gay couples are being FORCED -- yes, I said FORCED -- to emigrate in order to stay together, to "survive" as a family and a couple.

You wrote: "America has made huge progress on LGBT rights in only a few years (while most other progressive causes have withered, I might add) and yet you would join with those pointing to it as the new anti-gay third reich." Please let me know what this "huge progress" consists of when state after state passes or proposes laws to ban any legal rights for gays. States such as Virginia have recently passed such sweeping anti-gay laws that we just lost our joint health benefits and other rights straight couples take for granted. When one partner has MS (as I do) and has their health benefits ripped away the you tell ME just how enlightened we are here in the US of A and how gays are making such progress while other progressive causes wither on the vine. I can't even imagine the legal hurdles encountered by multinational gay couples who are forced to choose between breaking up or emigrating in order to be together.

I saw nothing sensationalist in the headline. Force can take many forms, as the good old Webster's will attest.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 07:15 AM
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18. websters definition of ''survive''
survive
One entry found for survive.


Main Entry: sur·vive
Pronunciation: s&r-'vIv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): sur·vived; sur·viv·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French survivre to outlive, from Latin supervivere, from super- + vivere to live -- more at QUICK
intransitive senses
1 : to remain alive or in existence : live on
2 : to continue to function or prosper
transitive senses
1 : to remain alive after the death of <he is survived by his wife>
2 : to continue to exist or live after <survived the earthquake>
3 : to continue to function or prosper despite : WITHSTAND
- sur·vi·vor /-'vI-v&r/ noun

please note #2 to continue to function or prosper.

giving the LIE to your proposition that it is hyperbole.

the organization that is the eu is light years ahead of the u.s. regarding gay rights -- as is britain period.

yes there some conservative countries like poland -- but germany, france, britain, netherlands, belgium, czech republic will never go backwards regarding equality for gay people and couples -- conservative countries will have to compromise on the issue whether they like it or not.



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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:12 AM
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9. just goes to show
love knows no borders. For far too long we have been second class citizens in our own country. I feel so much more accepted in Europe - where I am a complete stranger - than I feel in my hometown of 45 years. Sad.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:13 AM
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10. Yeah, there are no homophobes in Europe...
:eyes:
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:14 AM
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11. which is not even close to what I said
I said I feel more accepted there than i do here - perhaps more sleep is in order for you?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:30 AM
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15. But there are fewer in power in Europe.
And it only takes a few in power to make a society homophobic. Britain is lucky - our civil partnership act passed easily. Poland however has a very homophobic administration. Treating Europe as a unit is as misleading as treating North America as a unit.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:26 AM
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14. Thank you.
Some people just don't have a fucking clue.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:23 AM
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13. This issue goes back to equal rights & protections that are available....
Edited on Thu May-04-06 06:29 AM by WePurrsevere
(on a federal level in this case) to straight "married" couples but not gay "married" couples because although they're "married" in every other sense of the word (possibly even in a religious/spiritual ceremony) the US gov doesn't recognize the legality of that "marriage" or a civil union ONLY because they're not a heterosexual couple.

(Not that anybody really gives a hoot but here's my solution to this issue) ... "separation of church and state" should also be applied to all long term committed relationships. The federal government should recognize both heterosexual and gay/lesbian "civil unions" and leave the choice to perform a "marriage" or not up to the religious/spiritual clergy members/churches. The fact is that as a member of clergy I can already perform a "marriage" ceremony for whomever I choose to within the dictates of my "path"... however it is not legally recognized without the proper state paperwork. IMO it is now up to the US government to stop discrimination based on sexual/affection orientation, stop using the religious term "marriage" for the state's legal recognition of a union (to help end the confusion) and stop allowing the "church" to decide what should be a "state" issue.

(edited for typo and clarity... I really need a lot more sleep but will settle for more coffee :hangover: )
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 07:03 AM
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17. Man, I'm really in the dark. When did US officials tell us to vamoose?
All our lives are uprooted at some point.

Seems Jesus didn't die for our sins... but because of them.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:25 PM
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20. Just the fact that people are moving to other countries because they offer
more freedoms than the US says alot
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