CNN: Patrick Kennedy checking into rehab

On CNN NOW. No link yet.

ON EDIT: Will announce in 3:00 pm press conference.

EDIT #2: CNN says AP reporting checking into Mayo Clinic

Best wishes to him.

for the prescribed amount of dosages?

for trying to use the drugs as an excuse.

truth up.

edit to add - well, he doesn't remember anything. It does sound like the Ambien driving stuff.

We wish him well.

have had problems with addictions. Hopefully he can get the help he needs.

I read in the boston globe this morning, sorry no link

I hope he gets the help he needs

Shit, I was hoping you were wrong. :(

As man that has had so many of his male family members
executed, I'm surprised that drinking would be a surpise
to anyone.

We are all the captains of our ship, and there are several out there who have faced much rougher seas than Kennedy who haven't become addicts.

I hope he gets the help he needs, but only he is to blame for his problems and only he can face their consequences.

He's an alcoholic. Period. Alcoholics don't need an excuse to drink.

What makes you think he currently drinks? I have witnessed him drinking only bottled warter as have others! ( And I brought him the water so I know it wasn't vodka! Lol!)

...but the end result is the same, is it not? Why split hairs?

Also, he may not remember his famous uncles, but I bet he's heard enough about them to know them quite well.

And just for the record...Patrick's not going into rehab for alcohol...it is instead for an addiction to prescription pain medication. You should know that...it's been all over the news and the DU boards.

grabbed a truly viable story out of the National Headlines.

Today I despise him ... I pity his addition but I'm also pissed off at his clear privilege and arrogance to NOW, all of a sudden - check himself in. :grr:

Ever watch the 80s Flick "Clean and Sober?" Patrick Kennedy's behavior reminds me of the smarmy lead character (Played by Michael Keaton who develops into a likable guy by the end of the movie) pulling the same shit to stay out of jail. What spoiled and selfish ADDICTIVE (poor poor me) BEHAVIOR.

If you don't have addiction issues in your family and friends, then please rent this movie to FULLY understand the selfish nature of those who choose TO NOT follow a viable program of recovery.

Again, it's really piss poor of him to capture the headlines at this time. Yes, as far as a showing of good moral character, I half wish he would have opted for the possibility of going to jail rather than running to rehab.

That's so sad for a Democratic Representative to lower himself to doing RIGHT at this moment!?! I'm very saddened and disappointed - Especially for Our Country! NOT SOME SPOILED BRAT REPRESENTATIVE. Albeit I hope he follows a successful recovery program for the rest of his life, damn him for stealing the headlines at this precarious time in Our American History! :puke:

between such trauma and an addiction. If a linkage is to be made with his family, I think it would be more likely to be a genetic predisposition to substance addiction.

:rofl: Sometimes, I just SLAY myself!!! Empathy??? :rofl:

About three hours ago (2 hours before the announcement).

Checkmate Rushbo!

Will he cry for the medical records? Will he cry about special treatment? Will he say it's a personal matter and remind everyone that Mr. Kennedy has not been found guilty of anything?

And Rush was speculating that perhaps Patrick had a prescription drug problem and hoped that he would seek help. Honestly, he did not gloat about Kennedy's problems and said that in Patricks family history of addiction and Pat's own problems with depression and drugs in the past, that maybe he would benefit from help.

He said that he wishes himself that he would have sought help much sooner than he did and he hoped that Patrick's family and friends see to it that he gets the help he needs.

way in which a rich white guy from an old political family was given a different treatment than she was. May my tongue fall out of my mouth, but I'm not sure he doesn't have a point there.

:wow: Could there be some good in this nasty man?

I think RushBo is just "stirring the pot" to get us Democrats to continue to fight with each other over who's more ABUSED - McKinney vs. Kennedy. Right Wingers love it when we fight amonst ourselves.

I for one think he is the last person who should make any comment what so ever. Though, somehow I don't think that will stop him.

:rofl:

Kennedy was supposed to have done, and that the excuse of thinking you are going for a vote was chosen because a Congressperson cannot be stopped when they are on their way to a vote. He said that he wondered what Cynthia McKinney was feeling about this since a white man was getting off and she's under investigation by a grand jury. He commented that apparently there is a gender gap among the Capital cops, with the older supervisors more inclined to give the Congresspeople slack, and the younger people being those who signed up after 9/11 who consider their job to protect the Capital and are more gung ho therefore.

But as for doing things under the influence, hasn't he been doing his show in an unconcious state for a while now?

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It goes way beyond just being on their way to a vote. They can have immunity even when out of state, 24 hours a day, for the entire length of session.

The coverage is very broad and it especially includes court appearances, they cannot attend court nor be subpoenaed while in session.


Which brings up the next point...who the hell will represent the people while he's away at rehab?



Interpretations of the phrase "going to and returning from" legislative sessions were interpreted to include representational duties, as well as time spent on settling private affairs to prepare for the actual trip to and from the Congress. In Senator Byrd's case, at the time of the Route 50 accident, he and his wife were on their way to attend a Mother's Day event in West Virginia, the state he represents in the Senate.

Freedom from "arrest" has been interpreted to mean also from detention or delay during an attempt at civil law enforcement. One jurist wrote that a Member of Congress should be given the maximum leeway in protection from routine law enforcement efforts because "a Member has superior duties to perform in another place." The argument went on to cite that when a Member is detained, the people he/she represents lose their voice in debate and in votes cast.

Even today, a Member of the House must get authorization from the House to respond to a court summons, because a summons is considered a breach of the constitutional privilege under the arrest clause. House rules specifically do not allow one of its Members to appear in court, even voluntarily. A Member must apply for permission from the House to do so. Such applications are read aloud routinely on the House floor. If a Member wishes to assert the constitutional privilege against arrest, the Legal Counsel of the House is authorized to prepare an official House letter to the Court asserting the Constitution's protection for the Member under the arrest clause. http://tinyurl.com/ek8t3

to see. Somehow, though, I think we will be subjected to endless retrospectives on Joan and Teddy Kennedy's problems...plus rehashing of Chappaquidick...and it will go on all weekend with replays of their bio's on MSNBC and the rest of the cables.

They say when your drugs cause you problems, you have an addiction.. He probably has been loading up on the Ambien... I really don't think he was drinking though.....I think he is making the right decision.. The smart decision.. People get hooked on these drugs all the time and with his history, he has more of a chance....

It was pain meds before. Probably knows enough from prior treatment to recognize he is headed for trouble and is warding it off. I commend him.

who struggle mental illness. His battle with depression is raging again.

I salute his courage for going in rehab and his openness about it.

some people seem confused

The poor guy is genetically predisposed (inclined??I can't think of the correct word to use here) to all kinds of crap anyway due to his family's history.
(For example, my Mom's side of the family has a history of cancer, alcoholism and drug abuse. So far, I've been ok).

Love his honesty. Good luck young Kennedy.
Sp.

and courage...

He's giving a statement.
He admits he needs help and has had a relapse.
He's re-entering the Mayo Clinic today....

At least he has the guts to admit he has a problem, unlike rushlimpballs!!

like skinner said, limpballs shouldn't say a word.

He just did what no repuke will ever, ever do.

Admit his transgressions.

This is still nothing, nothing, compared to what the criminals do in office every day, or with their KICKBACK HOOKERS.

what he just did. Sorry MSM, back to Porter.

The meds or alcohol? I am happy that he is seeking the help he needs in any case.

garentee him an immediate silence from the press hounds. They cannot reach him at the Mayo Clinic. They'll just have to wait and focus on SOME OTHER SCANDAL until Patrick Kennedy is healthy again.

May God Bless him.

Patrick Kennedy is forthright enough to tell the press if it had been anything else.

...not because pain killer addiction is necessarily a problem for him, in this incident.

Meanwhile the whores on MSNBC are harping on it, calling it today's most important story. Porter Goss? Move on. Nothing to see. Bastards.

I hope he gets the help he needs.

we still don't know what prompted his decision to call it quits??

pain killers and was in Mayo Clinic over Christmas and New Year's and is leaving today to go back.


I just hope it isn't Oxycontin!

Best of luck to you, Patrick; our thoughts and prayers are with you.


:grouphug:

just now.

I can't imagine what it would be like to live in D.C. and be a recovering addict. Working 24/7 either in D.C. til all hours of the night or back home trying to reach as many constituents as possible each time back. Recovery takes time and commitment that I think the chaos of serving in Congress would deter. I'm glad he's going back in and I hope he can continue to follow his recovery plan when he gets out.

...Patrick Kennedy's statement. He said he was treated for an addiction to painkillers over the Christmas break and that, "The re-occurence of an addiction problem can be triggered by things that happen in everyday life." He was concerned that he couldn't remember the other night and he's seeking treatment, as he said, "...to ensure that I can continue on my road to recovery."

Nowhere did he say that he was re-entering rehab. Maybe he is, or maybe his doctors will recommend it after they do an intake evaluation, but that's NOT what he said.

he can enter rehab while not on break?

who will represent his constituents?

He didn't actually say that he was entering rehab. When he has been evaluated, his doctors may or may not prescribe rehab. But, all we know, right now, is that he's going to the Mayo Clinic.

he's free from all that.

There a is a specific process to go through when a congresscritter petitions for a waiver, and I'm sure one of the concerns is who will stand in his stead. Yet we hear nothing about this potential conflict. There must be some rule in place for when one is injured or dies suddenly? maybe that applies here?

His addictions are no better or worse than those of millions of other people, and he's handling it the way that everyone has to handle it - alone with himself. I wish him well.

I wish that a lot of other government officials would admit that they have problems and seek help. And I'm sure that Rush would have said something nasty if he hadn't so recently PLED GUILTY to misuse of prescription drugs himself, after LYING about it for years.

It just illustrates what can happen when you have problems and deny them.
Honesty is great. This family has been through and suffered too much the last Century.

After all, their boy Georgie ain't exactly Mr. Clean.

selective memory. I'll bet dollars to donuts a fair amount of them jump on it.

for taking the spotlight off of Porter Goss and Fornigate.

Dammit! We have to keep the dumbass media focused on truly national level stories, not some arrogant Representative checking into rehab. :puke:

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It's a very predictable thing to do IF you think that you may soon be arrested. Now, I'll admit that I don't know if he is close to having the handcuffs slapped on him, so yes, perhaps this may be a little harsh.

So, let me rephrase, damn his timing! Could he not wait until tomorrow?

For crashing his car?

Maybe you should consider counseling now--because your patients sure don't need the compassion you display on a public board.

...the fact that it scared the crap out of him?

How totally selfish of him to seek help immediately!

What nerve!

And worst of all, he ruined your personal news day!

Just awful!

I like your style....:hi:

I think people (I was anyway) implying that your posts make you sound as if you are a bit of a jerk.

Maybe you shouldn't counsel Infantrymen in areas like Alcohol Abuse either. Why, you're way too nice of a person to do that ... aren't ya?

Gee, talk about making it personal. There's no need for that - I might have came down way to strong on Patrick Kennedy but there's no reason for namecalling here.

He is one of the nicest of the family and does a terrific job as rep. This is a medical over percritption problem.And it isn't his fault the media is overblowing it. You don't think he "planned this" do you? Another example of "eating our own".Really this is too bad. Repukes support one another and we can't even do that but leap to the worst possible conclusions about some of our best. This is very sad.

of *all addicts* reeks of selfishness. It's the addition speaking yet we all are responsible for our behavior.

Why do you think * is such a horrible example of a human being? A good part of the reason is that he never owned up to being An Alcoholic and An Addict, therefore, he is, what they term a selfish and sadistic *dry drunk.*

Just ask anyone whose seemingly NICE relative or friend borrowed money and disappeared ... later you found that they were hoplessly addicted to some substance. Even the sweetest addicts personality wise will completely sell out their own Mothers in order to get more of the drug.

I dropped $1500 to my own brother who took the money and never contacted me again. My other brother later informed me how he is not only an Alcoholic but an Gambling Addict. Sad, but I won't loan him any more cash.

It's a sad fact that some of the nicest personas are addicts, but I sure wouldn't trust them with my children, nor loan them any money.

...and has worked hard to represent his constituency, unlike your brother who took your money and ran.

Sounds like you're projecting your anger about your brother onto every person that has a drug addiction/problem. Not every person with a drug addiction/problem handles it as badly as you brother did.

Why the hostility toward my person? The insults because I claim to have some background in the area. That doesn't automatically make me right and you explained your personal life experience of 20+ years counts. Why are you taking every single opportunity to attack my character? I could take a "cheap shot" like you did with my brother ... perhaps about your mother's alcoholism and how it is reflected by your present behavior?

But, I will refrain because we both have struck "emotional blood."

There's other stuff going on here that has nothing to do with the issues so I would suggest that WE BOTH agree to disagree?

I see the point you are making but I view selfishness, and likewise, selflessness, as requiring a modicum of free will. I'm not sure an addict has the capacity for choice that would render a decision selfish.

Someone who gives a donation to charity under duress is not a selfless and giving person even if they give a million dollars. Indeed, someone who donates $1 million to a university to secure their name on a building and get dumbass junior into college is not a charitable person.

Intent and free will are important components in the equation. Addiction screws with both of those.

And it even made me laugh by reminding me of one of my favorite Simpsons clips: "Homer: Marge, may I play devil's advocate for a moment? Marge: Sure, go ahead." Proceeded by Homer saying nothing, then a shot of him playing a pinball machine called Devils Advocate LOL

Oh, you are so damn intelligent and RIGHT on seemingly every issue OMC!

To include never passing up an opportunity to figuratively rabbit punch me.

Why can't I be you? :P

You are too much!

Hey, here's a clue for you. My post had nothing to do with you. I know that may hurt your feelings since you seem to be in need of attention or something, but I can't help that.

And why can't you be me? Well you could be, sorta, but it would take years of walking down the path of wisdom and opening your mind to receive all the awareness that path brings. It is an everlong journey but one which is immeasurable in its rewards. So proceed down that path, in your own way and in your own time, and that'll help ya get there. :P

However, and this is BIG! (take notes) The individual addict is RESPONSIBLE for taking charge of their own recovery. If they choose not to work a lifelong program of recovery, they are SELFISH. Why? Because it's not just them, but their family and friends who suffer from the behaviors connected with this person's addiction.

Get it? Got it? Good!

My Dad "claimed"to be alcoholic but as he suddenly stopped drinking and said he never ever had even had a desire to drink, for that and many other reasons , I will always wonder if he was or just a "joiner". I can't explain it , you would have to have known him.
But back to my original premise. People "hooked " on prescription meds, perhaps by their doctors are an entirely different kettle of fish than those who become addicted by choice. I cannot agree that all are selfish. One of the least selfish persons I know was addicted to weight loss stuff in the seventies when it was pure speed, and she just about killed herself detoxing. She was prescribed the stuff by her doctor and didn't even realize that she was addicted till she ran out of it on a trip to Europe! The doctor merely wanted to fill another prescription when she got home! She recognized the problem though the doctor would not and realized for the sake of her family, she had to discontinue the stuff. She went through hell. So don't be so quick to judge ALL addicts.

people who suffer from addictions.

Yes, sadly the selfish behaviors are all too predictable.

I'm one of the most LIBERAL posters here. Read up on me? However, when someone clearly has a problem and is behaving selfishly, I will not claim him at that point in time.

If Patrick Kennedy chooses to honestly and completely work his program, then I will once again respect his efforts. Today he's a great disappointment to me. The act of having some BIG news conference to announce that he's GOING INTO rehab again is not an act of courage. Many people, when not clouded by partisan bias will admit that he would have better served our democratic efforts by quietly going into rehab tomorrow. By having this news conference, IMO he is, once again demonstrating that he wants to be reelected above what's best for this country.

But again, that's my opinion. Rush however, is IMO, scoring SOMETHING that is keeping him in a functioning mode. I don't believe for one moment that he has done an inventory of his drug addled mis-behaviors and is in the process of making atonements. No way with that boy. :-)

...about those addicts after several hours or days of PERSONAL observation.

How is it that you can form your personal/professional opinion about Patrick Kennedy based only on media reports?

IMHO, your commentary in this thread doesn't speak very well for your 20+ years work experience treating addicts.

rehab" to avoid immediate arrest. Perhaps that's not why Patrick Kennedy chose to do this BIG news conference today. Admittedly I can't get into his mind.

No, when a person admits to being an Addict, there's no need to provide a professional Dx. I am only commenting on what his behavior SUGGESTS. Nope, I don't claim to read his mind and I'm only posting MY OPINION based on my past experience, personally as well as professionally.

I've sought "group-support" treatment with ALANON, have you ever interacted with this laudable support group? Those of us who have addicts in our immediate families are wise to help shield ourselves (and emotions) from all the corresponding guilt that goes along with loving an actively using family member.

On edit: I can tell that you are personally angry with me. I could be wrong in my opinion. However, good addiction counselors can NOT be understated when they are attempting to reveal the cruel truths of the selfish behaviors of the addict. How else can we help people to get to the point where they begin to realize that THEY, and only The Person can make a sincere effort toward recovery? No one can do it for them. That's why this is an heartbreaking disease. To truly help someone face reality, you sometimes have to behave like what many would consider a hyper-observant sharp shooting smart ass.

I apologize to you if I upset your sensibilities for that was not my goal. :hi: :hug:

much animosity for my statements, if you had taken the time to also worked "your recovery" as a family member of an alcoholic. We, as family member suffer, excruciating pain and guilt for not being able to help those we love from using.

But I'm all bull shit! That's cool, the people who matter to me know better.

Good Day Sir. :-)

I wouldn't want this person as my worker. 20+ years? Maybe it's time to retire?

Wouldn't most thrapists consider that a bit unethical? Three of my closest friends , well two and the husband of one are therapists and two of those are drug counselors and they do not think offering professional opinions about someone who is not your patient is proper. And all have more than twenty years experience. BTIJTO.
I think it is possible you resent the Kennedys. But I admit that is just a guess.

but alas, I'm also a fellow liberal. However, I learned through co-dependency support treatment (on myself) to not be an enabler. You know, the people who tell you to shhh! That so and so REALLY doesn't drink all that much. The family that hides the bottles secretly hoping that it would stop their loved ones from drinking.

No, I'm not one of those. I'm firm and sometimes harsh because I really CARE for the people whom I've had the opportunity to treat. Those that have fallen and return get absolutely no scorn from me.

Gee, I'm sorry folks, I made NO Diagnosis. Mr. Kennedy is admitting himself. Yes, it hurts because he's a fellow democrat. But the mere act of seeking treatment is only the first of many steps toward the road to recovery.

Attacking my message will not make the truth of the the insidious behavior associated with addition go away. It will not make every act of Patrick Kennedy courageous. He is sick and I hope he finds his way toward recover too.

See, I'm really not a heartless bitch after all? Just blunt.

p.s. I'm a liberal who resents the privileges of Dynasties of the Uber-Powerful and wealthy. In general, there's only a few rich people I can tolerate as human beings. That's a personal flaw, but its genuine.

Thanks for admitting it. That was brave and honest!I am a liberal from a formerly rich family that has met quite a few"poor" people who are also obnoxious. My MIL was one of those. She was stupid and proud of it. I don't want to learn and I refuse to read was her mantra. It takes all kinds but not all poor are obnoxious and neither are all rich. I say this coming from a family in which Dad was one of the "Uber rich and powerful" and Mom was from a poor immigrant family.Both sides had addicts and alcoholics . Both had flaws and neither was better than the other.I just wouldn't use such a broad brush.Some of my best friends are rich! :)

In general, I have a problem with "the rich." It's a personal problem and a prejudice that I'm not proud of but which is very real. I've met democrats in my local area who have their homes like showplaces that even retired generals would be jealous of. We're upper middle class by many peoples accounts, but some of the folks in the gated communities here are like, dripping with wealth and show it off to the nines. I remember going to a Christmas Party that was hosted by an acquaintance of mine working the polls and came away sadly disillusioned. I kept thinking while there, I wonder how much the value of that statue could help the resources in our local church food bank, etc.

Yes, it's a personal flaw, but like every other inappropriate behavior, realizing that you have such a strong bias (hate the rich) is the first step toward objectivity.

Nope, I'm acquainted with many rich Democrats, and NONE of them do I like in the least.

Sorry, but I'll continue to try and keep an open mind. Wish I could become acquainted with folks like The Kerry's and Gores. Thank you for being considerate of me and my flaws. :hi:

Except for GW Bush and the woman my DH is running against for state Senate in AZ. She believes abortions cause breast cancer and we should all be fundamentalist! She isn't human! (See, I am biased too!):rofl: PS, I really think you might like Patrick. He is really unassuming and quite nice. He is much nicer than some of his cousins who shall remain nameless so I won't accuse myself of Kennedy bashing!:) RFK Jr. is also a nice guy!

He basically HAD to have a news conference, or it probably would have been worse. Had he been anyone but a Kennedy, maybe not, but I think he's really just trying to keep it from becoming a bigger story than it already is becoming. If he had been anyone but a Kennedy, he probably could have gone quietly into rehab tomorrow, but in this case, that wasn't going to happen, with the press all over it already.

I understand selfishness and addiction, I'm a 21 year (this month) recovering alcoholic, but I truly believe he had little choice. It's going to, hopefully, make it LESS of a story, not more. It IS less of a story - there are far more important things going on, and hopefully, his "coming clean" with the media will allow them to concentrate on other things. I believe that was probably his motivation, rather than selfishness.

There was just no way he was going to "quietly go into rehab tomorrow". Not a Kennedy.

press conference tomorrow? I'm admittedly a little pissed off about his timing. However, upon reflection, I guess "A Kennedy" can not quietly do any darn thing ... that every press conference would be overly covered.

So yeah, perhaps he HAD to hold this press conference? But my Democratic side cries out, "Why oh why could it not have been tomorrow?" :hi:

Kennedy didn't make a big deal out of his news conference - he showed up alone and spoke briefly. Not his fault that the White House news machine seized on it as a distraction. This is Friday afternoon.

Goss's ejection is the mother of all Friday news dumps. Not Kennedy's fault.

For that matter, how do I know you have had more than 20 years of treating addiction? I have no reason to doubt you, but quite frankly I do have a problem with your perspective on the issue. Particularly since you have not bothered to address my "devil's advocate" response.

Sorry, but your quickness to judge with no intimate involvement reeks. It doesn't matter whether you are liberal or conservative in your political leanings. We, both of us being liberal, apparently define selfishness differently and view addiction differently.

Guess you will just have to read my input and decide for yourself. Just because I claim to have experience in counselling does not make me right. Perhaps I was too haughty at proclaiming my background experience. Point taken. However, we must accept the fact that even our blessed democratic representatives can FU in a big way. I kind of know now what it's like being on the opposite side of all those "McKinney Sucks" threads. I sure wish as many Democrats here would have DEFENDED her as steadfast (to include namecalling and character assaults) as you have, your beloved Patrick Kennedy. Perhaps he's a jewel of a guy, but I'm still disappointed in him today. ;)

I just find the translation of your disappointment into blanket assumptions about his character kind of odd coming from a self-professed counselor. With 20 plus years of experience I would have expected a different response. While there are of course generalities that can be made about addiction, it still remains that addicts are individuals and should be regarded as such.

because I'm making that admission on the side. Further, I stand by my basic tenet that his addiction is BAD and that most addicts who do not "work their program" cannot be trusted. Sorry if that pisses you off and you find a need to even sink into name calling and negative character analysis, but facts are facts.

Do your own research and get back to me via PM if you genuinely care?

p.s. I'm not functioning in the capacity of a professional and I made no diagnoses, just suggestions and impressions. Further, there's no need to analyze how good of counselor I am. Believe it our not, we as professionals, do not "pair up" with people who do not like our basic persona. I know this will floor you, but some people do find the cut of my jib rather fetching.

Nope, I don't adore Patrick Kennedy, and I CAN make glaring generalizations because I'm not behaving in a professional capacity. He's a public figure. However, I'm saddened that people here have called me "an idiot" , "an asshole" and "a jerk" not to mention all the analysis of my character ... why? because I dare not like your Sainted Patrick Kennedy. Perhaps I'll remember how many of you same people who adore Patrick, TRASHED my heroine, Cynthia McKinney ... and act accordingly when you insist on me voting for another one of your DINOS?

Eat our own? Indeed!

I can't imagine wrecking a car and having no memory of it speaks to a "good" addiction. I would agree with you that addicts not working their program cannot be trusted. But that does not mean they are operating out of inherent selfishness.

As you are the one flouncing around this thread exhibiting a holier-than-thou attitude with regard to addiction counseling and claiming everyone else can't possibly know what the hell they are talking about, I find it a tad ironic that you are no calling foul with negative character analysis. Why don't you quit essentially calling everyone else ignoramuses and you might actually get somewhere.

ETA: What name did I call you? Just curious. I'd like to see the quote. Thanks.

We can, per DU rules say what we will about PUBLIC characters. But I do not deserve to be picked out. I said "some people" ... go back and read the posts if you want to make sure that I'm typing accurate scoops.

You know, I'm tired of you in particular and think it's bull shit for you to continue to hyper-analyze me. Why do you "get on" anyone who doesn't adore Sainted Patrick Kennedy?

I never said that not everyone doesn't know what they are talking about. You are burning up a whole lot of goodwill here to make sure your boy stays on that pedestal.

AGAIN, I am entitled to my opinion. I did NOT ever claim that because I had background experience that I was automatically right, only that ADDICTS BEHAVE SELFISHLY.

OK, once again, and real slow - Addicts behave selfishly when they are actively using. Check it out and get back with me via PM instead of showboating for the audience?

ooh, I'm floucing! Ooh U sew smart and I'm just clueless ... I pale in comparison to the mighty intelligencia ... of you and your posse of seemingly ---> The Kennedy Adoration Society. :P

the accusation about me being the showboat? Especially after touting your credentials all over the thread.

I find it absolutely laughable that you are assuming I adore "Saint" Patrick Kennedy. I know virtually nothing about the man other than his name rings a rather familiar bell. He is not my representative and I have not followed his career. I have no dog in this hunt.

The behavior of addicts is deplorable. No question about it. It is destructive to both the addict and those around them. Friends, family, co-workers, strangers, you name it. But destructive and selfish are different things. Addicts need a lot of help to recover and one big help is compassion. Now if you equate compassion with condoning behavior or enabling behavior than you entirely miss the point.

I am incredibly disappointed that an elected representative has an addiction. I also fear that he is most likely not the only one. Where we differ is in you finding his announcement today to be a selfish act. I do not see it that way. I remain baffled as to why this has struck you so personally. I hate to disappoint you, but neither your behavior in this thread nor the revelations about Kennedy today are affect my emotional state. Nor am I judging you. I am simply disagreeing with your judgment about this issue. There is a difference as counselors well know.

You know EXACTLY where I stand.

I'm incredibly disappointed that you DELUDE yourself into claiming that you are not judging me.

How about we make this the big farewell and move on to TRULY IMPORTANT ISSUES rather than this pathetic (on all sides) pissing contest? I've made my point known, if SOME of you hate my gruff personality, that's fine by me, but SOME people calling me "an idiot" (twice!) and "an asshole" is a little over the top way to treat a fellow democrat.

After all I only criticized "your boy" not YOU personally.

:wtf: credentials did I float? You didn't like the message from a person who claims to have counseled those suffering from addiction. Tough! I never QUOTED my particular credentials, you're just pissed that I didn't suck up to his cause like many of you. Sorry, that's a fair opinion.

the generic "you?" ;)

but that isn't Patrick Kennedy's fault. We all know the corporate media whores are going to seize on this with endless gratitude over having a "Democrat scandal" to run into the ground. That takes the heat off the Cunningham/Porter Goss story, but Patrick Kennedy has no control over that. He was honest and upfront about his problem, and that's the best damage control possible under the circumstances.

And that's about the speed of it.

Oh, but then, perhaps it takes one to know one? ;)

You're just an idiot.

Your parents must be so proud of you. ;)

Because I'm not a fucking idiot.

Now that is the kind of maturity we love to see here on this board.

Whoa! And here I was only caustic against "your boy" and not you personally.

How special I must be to garner such hostility.

I'm not worthy of such an emotionally laden label. :hi:

Y'know when you're sitting on a plane and you see some douchebag trying to fit too big a case into the overhead compartment, and he's pushing and cramming, and stepping on the arm rest to get a better angle, and blocking up the whole aisle, and dropping shit and generally disturbing the whole thing for his own little selfish, stupid, impossible and senseless task, and you kind of look up from your book, and stare for about 30 seconds, and then simply dismiss the douchebag for his obvious stupidity, and you sort of catch yourself whispering under your breath "What a fucking idiot" not because you wanted to say it out loud but only because the depth of the idiocy well and truly drew the judgment out of you, against your will almost, it had to become public, the situation willed it, and then you turn back to your book and forget that such a douchebag ever existed?

Yeah. It's like that.

Douchebag.

:hi:

Six separate times you referred to his "addition". I kind of doubt that a legitimate professional would do this. But that's just me.

Is that the best you got?

Please accept my regrets for not checking my spell check. :P

So I didn't know a thing going on today until I walked in the door. The moment I did my Grandma goes

"Two things .. one Goss resigned .. and secondly Kennedy is in rehab. . . . guess which one is getting more time."

To which she then proceeds to flip through all the news channels and show me they were all talking about Kennedy . .

I'm glad to see he's checking into Rehab. . good for him . . but damn is this going to be on every single hour today. . .

Meanwhile . . why did Goss resign . . all I've read is "mutual understanding" . . .

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Should've thought that "well duh look around D.U" but I took a bad spill at work today so I'm discombobulated or something ;).

can be dangerous to quit sleep meds cold turkey.

If you check yourself into rehab, you've admitted to having more of a problem than complicated withdrawal symptoms. Dammit, this stinks to high heaven. He's got some real dirt on him that the damn freepers are going to go nuts over. Really, I wish it were not true, but I have a very strong impression that he's got serious problems beyond addition to this medication.

...he's dealing with it quickly. What else do you need to know?

I could be wrong, but I suggest based on treating a significant number of Addicts who did not wish to "work their program" that turning himself in TODAY (vice tomorrow sans huge media coverage) he is acting in a highly selfish manner.

I have a full grip on the situation and Patrick Kennedy may be a peach of a human being, many addicts are sweet. Just don't turn your back on them and expect the most selfish behaviors until they truly own up to their addiction and honestly working on a recovery program that will last throughout their lifetime.

I guess that's why I'm either loved or hated by the people whom I have treated. The ones who followed their own "Recovery Program" and faced up to having to deal with the gut wrenching, daily road to self-enlightenment and atonements have thanked me, while those who are still actively using and abusing ... well, feel sort of the opposite. ;)

One day at a time. My only suggestion is that, if Patrick Kennedy really, I mean REALLY cared about *current events* he could have quietly checked himself into rehab tomorrow afternoon. That's just my opinion but I have over 20 years of experience with Addition issues professionally and personally to back up said opinion.

...alcoholics to crack addicts to prescription drug addicts. Some I met in 7 years at college, some I met in 5 years in the military, and some I met in the 20+ years I've either worked in corporate human resources or owned my own business.

And before you say that I don't know how addicts work day-to-day, my mom was an alcoholic for as long as I can remember until her death in 1996.

And no, there is simply no way Patrick Kennedy could have "quietly checked himself into rehab tomorrow afternoon", or any other time. He is a public figure from a very famous family...the press would have blown a quiet check-in into a full-blown attempt to hide his problem/treatment.

IMHO, you're the one acting in a selfish manner by stating that Kennedy should have handled this some other way so that the other news today would not have been somehow diluted. That is totally reprehensible.

Did you receive any support from ALANON? Addiction effects everyone around the person who's suffering with this affliction.

No, I'm being harsh, not selfish. And yes, if I stomped on some sensibilities, I do regret that.

However, when you are attempting to help someone struggling to accept the fact that they are ADDICTED or exhibit problem behaviors (may not be physiologically addicted, just behaviorally apt), you can not come across as anything less than a BLUNT and IN THEIR FACE reminder.

It reminds me of one of my best rhetorical questions during one group session: So Mr. X, how have you been doing since I saw you in the Liquor Store Saturday afternoon? :grr:

Yes, I can be a real smart ass but I've also helped at least slow down the drinking and using of a significant number of clients. It breaks my heart but many people emerge from treatment feeling that "they're cured" and can handle it themselves. Many stumble and return, some are lost forever. :cry: :(

and Patrick took the most important step.. To recognize the problem... Any time your drugs/alcohol cause you to have problems in your life, you can pretty well bet you have an addiciton...

Are addicts selfish? Of course they are, they want their drugs and will do whatever they can to do get them.. But that is not who they are at all... Some of my best friends have had problems with prescription medication and recognize the fact they needed help.... They are still my best friends and know they have to live with the fact they can't handle certain types of drugs....

It is a personal battle at best, and addicts have to have more strength than the rest of us...

Alcoholism/Addition negatively effects everyone who comes in contact with a person suffering with this disease. Especially when a loved one is out of control despite all your best efforts to help them, the most wonderful and compassionate type groups for Family Members IMO is ALANON or ALATEEN.

Seeking treatment is an excellent first step that will involve a recovery that will last a lifetime. One day at a time. ;) :hi:

...in this thread. You've been mean-spirited, rude, and condescending.

You act like you're the only person in the world who has dealt with addicts, and the only person in the world who has the only correct universal treatment for addiction.

Incredible.

given this situation. I don't like his preferential treatment and having had immediate family members who are still actively using, I also know that, when active, even the sweetest people can behave quite selfish.

You really need to reflect as to why you feel a need to attack MY PERSON for being so harsh in my opinion towards him? Perhaps, just perhaps, you're bringing into our conversation some unresolved issues? I have plenty of my own since I'm still (forever more) a recovering Co-Dependent, so this is not meant in the least way condescending. :hi:

I was given it by my doctor for sleeping issues (or lack of) obviously.

I took my first pill that day and it hit within 1/2 hour - wow - I could barely get to the bed - my brain was shutting down so fast I couldn't control my body very well. Nasty stuff!! I've since taken 1/2 pill and it doesn't have that effect. I can't see why you would get addicted to it - it's very annoying when you can't function suddenly - I didn't like it at all. I can see people doing stuff while the conscious part of their brain is fast asleep - it's one creepy drug. Maybe people can't stop needing it to sleep - this stuff is way too dangerous to be taking every day - I can see myself sleep walking with Ambien :(

Consistently displayed.

Let's see ANY of the same from repugnents.

I never really cared for patrick as a Rep (he's not my rep, I'm in the other House district in RI), but I'm glad he stood up and did what he should.

As for everyone crying about him taking attention away from Goss, get over it. Local news was already reporting at 6:00AM this moring that he had scheduled a press conference, how was he to know goss was going to resign?

If you want to be mad at patrick, be mad that he has endangered his chances of reelection and puts a dem seat in the house up for grabs. The last thing anyone wants is republicans gaining ANY seats this year.

The Goss resignation on the other hand, was already planned for a friday news dump, and I expect there will be much more to his little story, so relax.

Will his district want to reelect him, knowing that he could very well again be checking himself into rehab?

To tell you the truth, its anyone's guess. It really depends who runs against him. It will certainly hurt his campaign, but it will only be fatal if a strong, moderate republican runs against him. That has not happened (in his district) since long before he came to town.

I've been hearing about Teddy and Chappaquiddick my WHOLE LIFE...

This will never go away...

Just get it over with...

That's not how I want to live my life, and that's not how I want to represent the people of Rhode Island.

He's addicted to pain pills...listen to all the stuff we've dished out about Limbaugh...time to put our money where our mouths are...

for all my life. He is continually reelected and so will be Patrick. We need more Reps like Patrick, not less. Give him and his Dad a break! Thank God for the voters who elect them as for the gossip, it will always be there. So what?

...spending $10,000 a week on pills like dear old Rush was doing. Last I heard, Patrick didn't have a radio show where he has claimed to be holier than thou for the last couple of decades.

IMHO, to compare the two individuals plays right into the hands of our rightwing foes.

Jerry Garcia or Pat Kennedy...

It saps your productivity and ability to do your job well...

Nope never used any opiates or phamecuticals...

so much? This is really weird!

...nothing to do with hate ethier...

His personal failings make him unqualified for the job...

And to be honest, a lot of my initial vitriol, which I admit was a little over the top - is the fact that I believe him to be CONNECTED and used to such preferential treatment. Oh, it's not a good human emotion, but I despise many wealthy and connected families. I know I know that I should believe they all earned it like that EX ON Executive. But I don't. I have a bias that, democratic or republican, I'm gonna take a closer look at you if you're rich. Most likely, I won't like you. Sorry, I know that's nasty and some would say petty, but oh so true.

BTW, I love John F. Kerry, Al Gore and Teresa Heinz. These good "rich people" are IMO, very beautiful exceptions.

I honestly don’t think it will derail his career.

He is a great guy and the caretaker of his mother.

Never underestimate the love of New Englanders for their Kennedys.

He will be ok

Goss is not because no one knows WTF his resignation means, and the media has already had one head-scratching moment in the last 7 days (and has no appetite for a second quite so soon). Also, his last name isn't Kennedy.

Kennedy is doing absolutely the right thing by going into rehab -- as someone else said, it'll put him out of reach for long enough for the mayflies to flit to a more odorous (or freshly odorous) flower. Kennedy may also be saving his life. I mean, if you can't remember driving the car . . . you're a (currently) a menace to yourself and everyone else on the road. Kudos to him for a quick decision.

He did not have a passenger like his dad. We don't need another murder on our hands...although he would probably walk for that as well.

the biggest murdering criminal alive today, residing in the white house.

Hey, do me a favor and check back in here after we impeach his criminal ass and the rest of his administration, ok?

But we should ALL move on ... I forgive him and yes, Ted's one excellent Senator who has remained "out of trouble" since.

No, but far too many people are killed on the road each years by folks drinking or on prescription medications.

If you ever drive in Phoenix Arizona, BE-WARE, many of those sweet elderly drivers are medicated. :scared:

You hardly hear about Laura's accident with her classmate either.

Or is it just Dems who get that treatment when they do something stupid under the influence.

Eh. It's just the inequity that gets me.

Until you see me post something that says it was right or moral, or that it is ok to drive while overmedicated or under the influence of anything, I don't want to friggin hear it.

BTW that's why Skinner gave us that mighty ole' "Ignore" key.

Have a good evening buddy!

Even though you censor me, I still love that (your namesake) CD by Queensryche! :hi:

I'm not censoring, I'm requesting you don't preach at me just to hear yourself talk. But go for it, if that's what makes ya feel good.

Right! Alas, all our memories are convenient?

But you seem to hate dissent to such a degree that anyone who disagrees with your position must be a freeper, or disruptor or god knows what else right? :eyes: Cause I never slammed her at all, I merely said she shouldn't have done what she did. And she shouldn't have.

And this has nothing to do with this thread and you are merely baiting for sake of causing trouble, which for some odd reason seems to be a pattern. But I still said nothing in my original post that 1. had anything to do with you, and 2. warranted having to hear you falsely preach.

So feel free to blast away with some other baiting comment. I know your game and it is tiresome.

You crack me up. No you were not the worst of the McKinney slammers. You were more like the covert "Oh my, I just don't feel that she should of ... ought of ... oh my my, she should NOT have done that!" Those slams can be the most hurtful, as if, you can morally rise above it all.

Nope, and the fact that you posted OODLES of "oh my, not appropriate of her" type posts leads me to believe there was more depth to those posts.

Your game is also tiresome, and again, I never resort to figurative "rabbit punches" ... that's just lame and you know it. :P

You just conceded that I didn't slam her. You admitted readily that I in fact did only disagree with the "I'm gonna defend her irrationally no matter what just because" mentality, but did so with tact and respect. And yet even having done so, it bothered you so much that I didn't turn a blind eye to an assault on an officer that even now you harbor resentment and bring it up unprovoked while exaggerating my position to that of something deeper. So that post above proves my point beautifully.

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I hope you have a bunch of ISP's and email accounts so you can visit again!

Or he coulda shot somebody thinking they were a quail.

Or it's a good thing it wasn't a classmate he ran into.

:rofl:

Freeper.

The diagnoses on here are incredible! Now I know we have the smartest, bestest ever posters on DU!

Your partisian slip is showing. No ONE made any diagnoses, the dude admitted to being an addict and has checked himself in.

But your humble comments are noted. :P

so I consider that a huge compliment!

An omniscient doc! Wow. I am in awe.

state that his Addiction is TROUBLE, may have some very real personal life experiences to draw upon? Aye? Now, I'm talking as a Recovering Codependent NOT as how you term, a Mayo Clinic Doctor.

But oh, all that matters is that we stick with "a fellow democrat" ... no! When someone f**ks up in a real bad way, we should be free to offer our opinion.

Albeit I have over 20 years experience, sure, I could be wrong - no one has the corner on truth. I'm only giving an opinion, not insisting that MY opinion is the way it is.

However, anyone, layperson or professional who's experienced the disease of Addiction in their life, KNOWS the heartbreaking behaviors that goes along with this affliction. And yes, these behaviors are SELFISH because the afflicted is addicted to the drug. They will sell out their mother because of this insidious disease and lose their, once sound, moral bearings, IF they don't work a recovery program. I honestly feel, that No one who has had the sorrow of dealing with this disease (and is honest with themselves) would disagree with the above outline.

You have been singing the selfish refain several times in this thread. I'd like to engage that for a moment if you'd indulge me.

I don't want to engage you people who seemingly place Patrick Kennedy on a pedestal. Many of you same people were quick to CONDEMN Cynthia McKinney, but ole' Patrick can do no harm.

Yes, the above is prejudice but it's my personal opinion. No, I don't want to banter any more. How about you go and snag yourself and addiction counselor - one who can prove to you they are who they say they are - and ASK THEM IF ADDICTS BEHAVE SELFISHLY, denouncing all else just to gain access to their drug of choice?

Go ask someone who has extensive experience in Addiction Counseling to get your answers. Any good addition counselor who's worth a squat KNOWS that Addictive behaviors are, by nature, selfish. And everyone pays even if the person does not have to Doctor Shop for their meds.

Well, just go ask the professionals. Like Randi Rhodes states, NEVER take my word for it.

Research the answers for yourself.

As a matter of fact I have deliberately refrained from voicing my opinion on the matter because I do not feel I have enough information about the situation. And for what it is worth I never issued an opinion on Cynthia McKinney either. I simply couldn't make up my mind because I felt there were compelling arguments on both sides of her situation. Again, I was not there and the evidence was conflicting.

I find your assumption that I am unfamiliar with addiction counseling quite amusing, but that is neither here nor there. Therefore I must surmise that my devil's advocate position has struck a nerve if you would prefer not to discuss it.

Whether you intend to or not, your self-professed prejudice and proclamations within this thread reek of a jaded view and counselor burn out. I sincerely hope you have retired. Any good addiction counselor who's worth a squat knows that addictive behaviors are by nature, governed by the addiction.

us all ... especially with the use of those NOVEL big words,i.e, ignoramus, ewe! :puke:

Really, I know that your intelligence is breathtakingly above that of my own, but IMO it's beyond time to give it a rest for the night.

evaluating the relative merit of our mutual views on their own. I'm also confident they can manage English words above two syllables. Good night.

Congrats to us both! :toast:

It scares me that there are people like this counseling the addicted. :( Of course, I can always hope this person is lying. The inability to spell the word "addiction" could be a sign that this is the case. God, I hope so!

I've known psychiatrists who tried to blame their patients for their mental health disorders. One was a fundy. She's also an older person who should have retired years ago because she has no compassion whatsoever for her patients. She's part of what's wrong with the "health care system" and it sounds like we have another live one right here in our midst. It's sad as hell and I wish there was a way to remove such people from the positions of power they hold over the suffering.

I post here for entertainment. Although I have admitted to working as an addiction (and BTW also Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD) counselor, who the hell do you think you are to JUDGE MY PROFESSIONAL behavior at work?

Again, you don't know me from Eve. What I find "as sad as hell" is the fact that you would presume that I choose to hold ANY POWER over those who are suffering from addiction.

Just a little FYI, I do an initial intake interview and TA DA! - If I mesh with the client then we continue, if not, I can tell within the first few minutes, I have the empathy and compassion to refer the individual to someone else.

Your haughty "thou shalts" ONLY on the basis of me being seriously pissed off at Kennedy's timing is PETTY. You really should be ashamed of such self-righteous blather. But you're not, nor will you admit to the fact that you hate me criticizing Patrick Kennedy, *in particular.*

The one young infantryman who had to give up his career in the military because I referred him on the, later verified belief that he was suffering from BiPolar disorder, just like many here's Saint Patrick, came back to me, and with great emotion thanked me for, what he said may have saved both his life and his marriage. I don't say the forgoing to blow up my ego in your eyes, only to make the valid point:

My behavior as a counselor and my blunt opinion of PUBLIC PERSONALITIES are two separate entities.

You're hopeless, but I will not tolerate such a cruel and inappropriate personal attack. :(

take the lead in reforming the drug laws, especially in treatment, because frankly we have thousands of soldiers coming home from this war, who will be in far worse shape,from this morally and racially bankrupt drug war, will most likely have them thrown in jail. Rush could've taken the high road, he didn't, I hope Rep. Kennedy does.

many areas to include PTSD for some.

Part of the reason, I fear that I come across as brusque to many is that I started off counseling for the government. I was assigned an Infantry Battalion of troops overseas. Many of these young troops were just "abusing alcohol" because they were away from home the first time. If I came across as understated and sweet, I would have gotten nowhere with helping these guys come to the self-realization that they "had a problem" and in the least, needed to lighten up on the partying. :-)

But many soldiers who have seen the horror of war will try to self-medicate with alcohol just like many of our Vietnam Veterans did. One of my colleagues used to refer to this as "suicide on the installment plan."

We can only hope that we can get good people like "Al Gore" elected as President. Both Al and his wife, Tipper, have great empathy for a wide range of mental health services that, when properly administered, will assist our troops to at least a "tolerable" adjustment back to civilian life.

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Can anyone think of a political comeback greater than Marion Davies?

The Patrick Kennedy story isn't nearly as important or damaging to national security, or at least the appearance of national security, as the Porter Goss/John Negroponte/Gen. Michael Hagen story, and the way Goss promoted a guy, Dusty Foggo, connected with Hookergate.

But MSM acts as if it is. What a crock!

I'm really a bit worried about the future of this nation, in so many ways, it's unreal. The foxes are in charge of the henhouse, literally and figuratively.

Sue

producing these bizarre episodes, episodes of sleep walking, sleep driving, with no memory of having done so. Predates the Kennedy incident by 12 months at least.

And yet -- media whore media are on it like a dog on a bone, to the detriment of the gay hooker 'n Goss resignation.

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a host of other things in this thread.

I'd like to enter something here, something I've learned over many years dealing with people in both military and civilians situations concerning addiction and a lot of other things discussed here.

First, when addicted to a mind altering substance, if the individual is truly addicted, there have been physical changes in the body. This is not something that should be taken lightly. The body craves the substance, and when denied, almost anything can become a reality to obtain the substance. The brain has been affected, in the case of opiates, the receptors have been "dulled" and the increase in dosage has become physical. Same basic thing with alcohol, but there are differences. Each type of addiction, rather the substance abused, creates different cravings, alcohol is different than narcotics, and each narcotic is a little different in how it is "needed" by the brain and body.

In any case, an addiction, or multiple addictions for that matter, are physical. Mental dependence is quite different, and often is more difficult to treat than the physical addiction. Nicotine is the most addictive drug in the nation at this time. I've tried to quit smoking a few times, it is not easy...even after the nicotine is out of my system, my mental state is constantly looking for more. I've only made it to 4 days, and I know that after 3, the physical nicotine was out of my system.

The real situation here, is that Kennedy is going for help, and I commend him for that. I don't care if it was because he thought he might get arrested, or because he knows he really needs help. The fact that he is searching for help shows me that while he has a character that some would deem as flawed, I see a character that understands he cannot control something on his own at this point; and he is man enough to seek help. Far too many do not make that first step...Graveyards are filled with those that never made an attempt.

Anyone that makes the steep forward to get help is OK in my book. I have been an advocate for universal, no cost, on demand treatment for years. It should be the responsibility of the gov't, whether local, state or federal, to ensure those that are afflicted with something they cannot control are treated with dignity and the best possible care. After all, it is the substance that has taken control away, the addicted individual is not responsible at a certain point; the substance is not the man or woman affected.

I agree to a certain point. The addicted individual is, however, the only one truly RESPONSIBLE for their own recovery. As a counselor, I can guide an already motivated individual, but without their DEEP DESIRE to stay on a path to recovery, they have NO chance in hell of ever even beginning a thoughtful path. And yes, it is their responsibility to want to get better. It is their responsibility to WANT to keep with a program. When they stumble and relapse, they do NOT deserve my scorn. However, it is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to get back to a meeting and TRY to work their personal recovery program.

It's hard being a family member of someone who is addicted to any truly unhealthy substance. And yes, although I love him more than words can say, his recovery is "his responsibility" ... and yes, part of me is angry that he does not choose to help himself.

That does not make me a mean spirited asshole, only a loved one who's powerless to help another without their strong desire "work a recovery program." And as a loved one who suffers right along with the person who's addicted, I have "my own" recovery program that I must try to follow each and every day for the rest of my life.

I hope that clears up any misunderstandings?
I seriously doubt it - but at least I've given it my best try. :hi:

what you do.

But let me say, in my statement that "the addicted individual is not responsible a certain point", is meant to say that the substance has taken control of the individual. I agree that it is a personal responsibility for an individual to look to rehab and seek help, don't get me wrong on that.

My point is, while addicted, the substance is in control. Many can't, or won't seek aid when they are under control. Each individual has a point at where the addiction is reached; each individual reaches this point at a different time and under different levels of exposure. There is not one "point for all". Treatment varies as well, some respond well, others will never respond; most are in the middle some place. The first action each addicted person must take, is to acknowledge there is a problem that needs to be dealt with...once that is established, other steps can be taken. Finding the one that works on an individual basis is the difficult part.

Once again, I commend what you do; it is a very noble profession and takes great strength and character. You work with those that are in constant denial, (although not all). You work in a field that is misunderstood and has been stigmatized to the point where the victims of addiction have been dehumanized by society. You need to be a very dedicated person, and have an extremely positive attitude to work in the field of addictions. i have great respect for those that do so.

:hug:

And admittedly I was over the top with anger at IMO, Kennedy's piss poor timing. That was not polite and I did assume facts not in evidence.

However, when I put on my professional counselor hat, I'm very careful at what I choose to say or not say. Here in cyberworld we all sort of let our hair down with regard to public personas. And I was really disappointed, again by the timing.

No, Patrick Kennedy has a long and difficult road ahead of him. Far more people seek treatment than succeed at finding a path to recovery. It's heartbreaking as a counselor because you can only "slow down" most clients. The few successes you do have are the ones you nurture in your memory.

Thanks for the clarity ... we all are a little peeved that the Corporate media is making too much hay out of this ... being a true personal and family tragedy, not really for national obsession.

that have taken on this very difficult task. You have saved lives, and helped people up from lives of extreme misery...if that is not commendable, I don't know what is. You have acted, when so many others have just talked, this is a very good thing. It inspires me to know that you, and people like you, are out there truly helping those in need.

May your successes be many in the future.

story is such a big deal.

You would think it was the only thing going on in the world. It's a 3 minute story if his name was anything but Kennedy

but Kennedy.

I get the impression the media would have been happy if the car would have burst into flames.

It was minor traffic accident, and a quick reference to him going into rehab. The earth didn't stop spinning on it's axis, the sun is still shining, the H.o.Reps is still around, the nation wasn't nuked, bush didn't resign. Why is this even "news"?