Larry Johnson: "... it's really because Goss is in trouble."

As the folk at Think Progress note that according to CNN the Pentagon dudes were shocked, as in totally surprised:



"backstory" is an interesting innuendo, :evilgrin: don't ya thunk ....


Never Forget: George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq.

at CIA. If that were the case, seems there would have been some rumblings for a while before the resignation. SOMEBODY has Goss by the nads.

they tell him to believe. He so loves the access, and is so paranoid of being labeled a liberal, that he pretty much regurgitates whatever the White House stuffs down his gullet. Matthews will at least occasionally scold the Republicans. I don't know if Russert has said one critical thing since he pegged Cheney on the WMD lies in 2004. Two years is a long time to have your head up somebody else's ass.

gotta know more:D

mentioned this VERY BRIEFLY and then was cut off to move to the next talking head. I'm pretty sure whoever that was (female) hit the nail on the head. All the talk about Goss "not fitting in" at the CIA... or the President being upset that "a whole generation of CIA veterans at the top levels have left in the last year plus because of the *goss-lings* running around the CIA", blah, blah, blah... just simply doesn't ring true. Bush sent him over there WITH THE INTENTION that Goss would gut the CIA. Rummy and Darth Cheney told Shrubya that it had to be done... and Rummy is building an alternate intelligence gathering agency inside the military that will provide both operational intelligence and policy intelligence (cooked to Rummys way of thinking, of course). No need for a CIA that has some professionals left that might actually uncover the true facts and, god help us, leak them if the administration ignored them. Goss was doing EXACTLY what the evil cabal in the White House wanted.

Now a scandal with Duke Cunningham and late night poker parties with prostitutes... that' much more believable.

insulted that no one went after Rummy for that comment.


Rummy considers himself a 'consumer' of intell.

...much more interesting, sooner rather than later.

Exactly.

He's out there in a flash because someone's got some pictures or/and has provided some details on Goss's pok(h)er skills ... :)


If You're pro-Bu$h, You're Anti-America

all of legal age?

gone will give me, and that the Libby indictment/resignation gave me. These are the rotten henchmen of a criminal cabal. They are like the enforcers in the Mafia. They destroy people, ruin their careers, make their lives hell, and even kill them, or order up their killing, on behalf of the gang leaders. We still don't know who they may have gotten killed in the Brewster-Jennings network, but, at the very least, they put many CIA covert agents and contacts in great jeopardy of being killed, and destroyed a WMD counter-proliferation network that had been twenty years in the making. They blackmail, they smear, they run black ops against people, they torture, they "render," they run secret prisons; they've got private contractor death squads in Iraq (and god knows where else); and they arranged the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq, for their criminal bosses.

When the criminal bosses fall, the whole country--and the whole world--will cheer. Meanwhile, my broken heart cannot help but jump for joy that Porter Goss--purger of the honest and the good and the courageous and the truthful--is gone, and can do no more harm.

I agree with you, Lapfog: It was Porter Goss's job to FINISH the work of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Libby, Rove and the White House Iraq Group, in outing Plame and Brewster-Jennings--that is, to get rid of anybody who thinks that it is their job to prevent war, not to manufacture it. That's what Porter Goss was intent upon, and I can only cheer that he is such a stupido as to get caught with his pants down--if that IS the immediate cause of his sudden resignation. It means that he was probably equally imcompetent at running Rumsfeld's hit squads within the CIA.

For the past several months Cheney's been pissed at Goss for not following the party line on Iran's "imminent" development of nuclear weapons. CIA reports have been clinging frustratingly close to the facts at a time when America really needs to invade someone. Badly.

at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2608831

that Porter Goss was hired BECAUSE they knew he was sleeze/dirty, and exposure would help Rumsfeld discredit/downgrade the CIA, so Rumsfeld's dirty black ops on Iran can proceed. Goss out, and the CIA besmirched, serves Rumsfeld's purposes.

I tend to doubt there is much honesty in Porter Goss, but it may be that his weakness and incompetence permitted the honest intel people to counter Rumsfeld's lies and dirty tricks.

And some agency spokesmen directly contradicted a State Dept. report, IIRC.

But that was a few weeks back, and it didn't seem to cause any big stir.

Republicans are funny that way

CIA -Scapegoat for no WMD in Iraq

The Bush Regime were planning upon invading Iraq before the 911 Attacks. The plan needed a solid
reason. WMDs in Iraq was decided upon to be that reason. The 911 Attacks.provided the motivation for the Invasion of Iraq. CIA Intell Reports were cherry picked, taken to The Office of Special Plans and crafted for the cause. Ex. CIA Director G. Tenet went along with the scheme. When the Iraqi Invasion was completed an Insurgency that was ignored by Rumfailed and the Generals rose up which prolonged the take over of Iraq bu the US and the UK. As it gradually became obvious that Iraq had no WMDs. the Bush Regime laid that failure of Intell on the CIA. The CIA was expected to shoulder that blame.

Many if the Rank and File and some former CIA members angrily objected to this scapegoating..

to make it's claims rather then facing why he made "false" statements to begin with...?

these scandals is making my head explode. This truly is a circus. :nuke:

It's hard to keep track of all of it!

A little CIA payback, I think. Interesting that Goss denied the allegations earlier this week, but suddenly resigns today. I think there is hard evidence that proves he was involved. Remember, we just heard about the Watergate hotel records were just subpeoned....hmmmmm.

Of course, our Washington media plays stupid on the real reason, but have moved on to focus on poor Pat Kennedy....

Paybacks are hell.....

A large number of them resigned. Some decided to go with the flow.

But they all hate the crassly political moves of Goss.

on the whole lot of them. Time will tell.

The damgage to the CIA and to intelligence gathering itself will be impaired for years.

They're probably pissed, to make an understatement.

reason we went erroneously to war. Trying to wipe out most of the agency and transfer intelligence gathering to the pentagon.

Yep, I think they are more that a bit pissed off.

And of course the military is none too happy with BushCo either.

Never underestimate the power of the bureaucracy, many consider it to be the fourth branch of the US govt.

just to have something or someone else to focus on. Oh, sorry, it's that hat I'm wearing again...

to "lucky" players. Some high rollers just play their hands poorly, and an average hand wins. Other players prefer to "get lucky" the Poke 'er parties, but Abramoff's bribes work with either type. Players at both games will go down when Abramoff deals for his own gain.

poker party (even a few hundred dollars), there are still TAXES that must be paid on the winnings. There is a nice convenient form the IRS has for declaring just such winnings. Not paying the taxes (or declaring the winnings) can land one in serious hot water (even if the gambling activity itself is illegal). Of course, the opposite is true as well. if you LOSE at a private home game (or internet or whatever), you can still declare the loss on your taxes as well (such a loss must be backed by documentation and said documentation is NOT an admission of guilt in committing the illegal act). At least, that's what I've been told.

I'm wondering if the IRS is hot on this case?

I doubt the current IRS would initiate any investigation of one of their own, but the money that passed from bribers to bribees through these "games" must be reported according to the law, and once the money trail is documented the tax records would be confirmation of the bribes (er, lucky winnings), or else the non-reporting would be evidence of another criminal act

Clever and clear, as always, that Steve Soto!


Be The Bu$h Opposition - 24/7 -- hey, it's even getting to be fun ...

There's a surprise. Well, maybe not such a surprise but the timing is very interesting.

That Medal of Freedom didn't buy much time, did it?

I hadn't heard about this resignation, so I immediately flipped to cnn.com to make sure I was reading this right. What do I see? Big picture of little Kennedy, red flag, Kennedy admits a problem!!!! Small side story: CIA chief resigns, due to mutual understanding with President. Nothing about any controversy or trouble, obviously a much smaller story than some Kennedy's personal issues.

Oh my god!! I'm kinda the last person to yell the MSM sucks, because I don't even have a TV, so I don't really see it all the time, but really ... how freaking effed up is the MSM? What a complete joke. If you haven't done it yet, you must get rid of your TV, and convince everyone you know to do the same. I am becoming further and further convinced that it is the only way to get through this crap - some sort of voluntary opt out of the corruption of our culture from the MSM.

Sorry I'm so riled, but this is just unbelievable. Yes, I know I am a rube.

We haven't watched teevee for more than 10 years.


Peace.

Thanks, Think Progress!!!


Peace.

Stay tuned ....


Peace.

Got any thoughts on possible connections to Traitorgate? Are the frat parties/sleeze some kind of cover story? These people are so much dirtier than frat parties. Frat parties/sleeze/bribes/prostitutes/gambling are just the fringes. Not that I'm sorry to see their filth and hypocrisy exposed. But I can't help but think of Traitorgate cooking in the background--and Goss the followup hit man on Traitogate.

Here's a thought: They seem to have an agenda to gut and discredit all our "good government" ops. FEMA, for instance. So, what if Rumsfeld wanted to trash the CIA in the public's eyes, to discredit them--as they have been so intent on doing in other ways? What better way than a sex and sleeze scandal at the top? All the better for Rumsfeld's secret intelligence operations, torture, rendition, secret prisons and all the rest. Just a thought. Was Goss known to be a sleeze--and stupidly careless--and was put in place FOR THAT REASON?

... if as Steve Soto notes (see comment # 16 in this thread) that with Goss out of the way, Tenet's book might just make its way to the book stores in October, 2006.

If so, we may learn more about just how diligently Goss continued to suppress the , and we may find that Tenet is more revealing of just how damaging outing ValerieP and vaporizing the Brewster, Jennings operation(s) have been to our National Security.

We'll see ...

Thank you.


Peace.

I'm staying tuned to TPM. He'll have the goods, probably faster than Sully.

As many of you are aware, Josh Marshall and his colleagues have been all over the Cunningham-Wade-Wilkes-..... crime syndicate story as it's emerged. I suspect we'll learn even more by staying tuned to TPM.


Peace.

The folk on that list do indeed need to do some pondering ... this weekend.


If You're pro-Bu$h, You're Anti-America

is trying to shed as many criminals it can before the big fight between Fitz and Rove.

What? Oh, yeah, that guy. He was a bad apple. We ditched him as soon as we found out.

What a shame.

as in "Baby's got Backstory".

Ouch ....


Peace.

:rofl:

Hey Timmy, are you ever going to get off your knees.


Peace.

No way Goss is out because of the "shakeup." That's nonsense. He's not important enough to replace, publicity-wise, and he has an important role to play at CIA for Bush. He is not a public figure. His replacement means nothing at all to the public. And obviously, it wasn't planned. Methinks Dusty Foggo is in deep, deep shit. And maybe Goss, too.

... for the quotes in the OP:

Posted by SusanUnPC on Friday, 05 May 2006 at 15:05

Just want that corrected for the record.


Peace.

Maybe there are CIA agents that have the "goods" on the whole poker party / prostitute thing. And they blackmailed him into resigning! The CIA knows how to take care of their own. And they haven't been happy with the bushistas since the outing of Plame and Goss had to be one of the most hated DCIs in living memory (hated by the staff). I'm thinking they have all the evidence they need. Bush and Cheney probably have more to worry about from pissed off CIA and ex-CIA people then terrorists.

last night it had largely stayed in the blogs, TPM etc. Wondering if making it to MSM at NBC had anything to do with Goss today?

Negroponte, Wilkes, Foggo, all San Diego repukes.



"This photograph was taken in a nightclub in Mexico City on 22nd January, 1963. It is believed that the men in the photograph are all members of Operation 40. Closest to the camera on the left is Felix Rodriguez. Next to him is Porter Goss and Barry Seal. Tosh Plumlee is attempting to hide his face with his coat. Others in the picture are Alberto 'Loco' Blanco (3rd right) and Jorgo Robreno (4th right)."

What's interesting is that Wilkes and Foggo spent a lot of time in Central America (Honduras, El Salvador, later Panama -- Wade too), when Foggo was a CIA money man for the contras during Iran Contra and Wilkes would bring congressmen down from Washington to get a first hand look at the secret operation. Negroponte, another San Diego native (like Wilkes and Foggo), was also around, Oliver North was around, Porter Goss clearly in an earlier era was doing Central American operations for the CIA. It wouldn't seem to be too much of a stretch to wonder if they didn't run in overlapping networks, small informal fraternities of right-wing CIA-linked operatives and the private networks the government turned to to conduct operations that were supposed to evade oversight and basically not exist.


Posted by Laura at April 28, 2006 10:36 PM
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/004070.html

And what about Lee Harvey Oswald?

They were frat brothers together at Yale.

up speculation, hopefully without simply putting all the smoke together:

Bush needs some structural discipline for Iran. Goss as part of widespread scandal would mire the WH again. Keeping the scandal in the House bush ignores is OK if only to shut up the grumblers iver there.
If it spreads beyond pals of Cunningham etc. to more branches of government it is bad. Kennedy's fender bender on a friday is as good as they can get without a terror alert and having the CIA director bail out during a alert draws more attention than they want. Stooges are interchangeable and Goss has served his particular purpose. The Cheney team is the one restructuring to save its agenda and skin.

Goss caught laughing at the Colbert routine on CIA computers.

When they mention that several House reps may get nailed that means everyone wants to contain the scandal. If 200 guys(names and occupations will be withheld pending payoffs) insist they conduct a weekly poker tournament there and there is no IMMEDIATE direct evidence or ties to the particular link that got prosecutors to the hotel register in the first place then the strategy is containment and no allowance for public skepticism that only six(on the Abramoff short list)were driven in limos for personal sexual gratification with female professionals.

Burning Goss is like deliberately setting a small fire in the path of a huge fire to exhaust the fuel and oxygen.

The whole sex as blackmail and spying general operation in the WH is another big possibility never approached at all by the MSM. Oddly, the pre-emptive war president is now employing the foreign policy Communist containment principle only to his domestic scandals.

thing coming. They've lied too much, and have done too many dastardly deeds.